Could Carol M Braun be the VP on the Dem ticket?

[AndyHammond1970]

I'm just thinking, actually wondering, if America would support a ticket with her as VP. She is so well spoken, informed and intelligent when i see her i know that she is more than qualified; yet i wonder if Americans are ready to support a Ticket that has a black person or a woman and particularly both. On one hand it might help to motivate black voters and women that would not otherwise vote
and I'm wondering if you would view this ticket as "electable".

I'm a Dean supporter so specifically i was thinking of a
of Dean/Braun 04 ticket, but what about her with one of the other nominees as well.

wanted to get the opinions of others here on the forums.

thanks
AH

[Romberry]

1. Could?

Of course she "could be". She meets the elibility requirements of the constitution. Will she be? If I were a bookie I'd set very, very long odds against it.

[Cheswick2.0]

2. I see no reason why not

I think she is a superior candidate. I think we are ready as a nation.

[Padraig18]

3. Ummmm...

I personally like Carol, and know her, BUT... Carol has some VERY nasty baggage that cost her her re-election, and it's hard to imagine that our party could hand the RNC a bigger 'gift' than to nominate her for VP.

Sorry, but it's the truth. :(

[Cheswick2.0]

5. sorry, wrong

They all have bagage. She was targeted, but if you like enabling the right wing smear machine, continue to do their job for them.
Her real problem with you is that she isn't a white male. You may not want to examine that, but you should.

[Padraig18]

19. Excuse ME!

That is NOT 'my problem' with her, you JERK! I am not 'enabling' anything! She defrauded Medicare, was wayyyyy to cozy with a certain Nigerian dictator, and MORE! This is NOT speculation, they are FACTS, as anyone involved in Illinois' Democratic politics KNOWS!

I clearly stated that I *LIKE* Carol AND *KNOW* her, so how DARE you slander me! :grr:

[RC]

7. Just what is her bagage?

I keep hearing about it, but no one defines her bagage. What is it? What is the story? Even on talk radio they say she can't win because of her bagage, but then they side step, go to the next question or a commercal.

Just what is her bagage?

[Skwmom]

8. The "bigger gift to the RNC" is to

nominate Howard Dean. Oh but I forgot, Rush is trying to help out Howard because he's the RNC's worst nightmare.

[Romberry]

28. Well, perhaps you might remember...

...how Democrats were absolutely gleeful at the possibilitr Reagan would be the Republican nominee in 1980. See how that turned out?

Dean has been savaged by Limbaugh just as hard as any other candidate. And how obvious can you be with the reverse psychology of announcing well in advance of even the first primary that Dean is the one you most hope to run against?

Don't throw me in the briar patch B'rer Fox. Please, oh please, don't throw me in the briar patch!

[RC]

4. Look at what the lily white guys have done to this country & the world.

It's time for a change real quick or we are doomed.
Maybe what we need is a Black Woman to get things back on course again. I'll vote for Carol M Braun. She doesn't sound wishy-washy to me.
BTY what does skin color have to do with ability?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. The greatest black woman politician (maybe politician period)

Is Sheila Jackson Lee. I'd want her as President, though.

[radwriter0555]

9. Barbara Jordan doesn't count? I LOVED That AMAZING, REMARKABLE

astounding woman.

Think about it. Black, female in texas politics iin the 60's, and disabled? She didn't let ANYTHING get in her way!

"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminuation, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution.?"

What an apt quote for our days, eh?

What the people want is simple. They want an America as good as its promise.

Harvard University Commencement Address, June 16, 1977

If the society today allows wrongs to go unchallenged, the impression is created that those wrongs have the approval of the majority.

Remarks at a symposium "The Johnson Years: LBJ: The Differences He Made," sponsored by the University of Texas at Austin and the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library, May 3-5, 1990.

[radwriter0555]

10. The people of this country are still too backwards to elect a black woman

as a head of state. Heck some people still think that all blacks riot all the time when they're pissed about something.

Nah. They're not ready. Soon though. Soon.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. Absolutely. Change: Living politician.

We could use her now.

[radwriter0555]

12. Well women have it 10 times harder in politics... and black women have

it 100 times harder.

Sadly the stereotypes still stick to women, thanks to men... and sometimes other women who insist on echoing sexist viewpoints.

Remember, Senator Clinton is still considered too shrill and ambitious.... whilst a man would be energetic and passionate.

I am a shrill and ambitious woman, especially when I espouse my views on subjects about which I'm passionate. I am considered too loud, to verbous, too decisive, and too much like a man. I have been accused of emasculating men, but I just don't care.

MEN aren't ready for a female head of state, and these Walmart women do what their men tell them to.

WE need to verbally support the candidates that best suit the needs of the future of this country. I believe we need to LOUDLY support the candidates like Braun, without ever bringing up the color of her skin... we also need to support the Black Caucus cause those dudes ROCK...

On a side note, I noticed that, when in a conversation, we don't need to say WHY we support these people, just that we do. It's a LOT of fun to simply say "the black caucus ROCKS!" really freaks people out, especially freeper types. good fun, good fun.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

18. Did you catch the CBC forum on C-Span yesterday?

Nuts and bolts democracy. The anger and sincerity leapt through the television. If the halls of Congress were filled with the likes of Lee, the country would be the polar opposite of what it is now.

P.S. "The CBC ROCKS."

[QERTY]

27. Cynthia McKinney!

No one seems to notice that most of what she said turns out to be true. Nope, she's a "whacko conspiracy theorist" or "fringe element". All I know is that she stood up to power and paid the price. That's heroism!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

29. She's right up there.

I just think that Lee is one of the most principled, intelligent politicians that I've ever seen. No disrespect meant to anyone else.

[Ruby Newsbee]

13. Yes

If Braun is as discerning as I think she is, she won't run on just any ticket.

[jenk]

14. we're noy ready as a nation and it has no chance of happening

.

[Cheswick2.0]

16. I disagree, we are ready

No problem.
But if enough people keep saying we aren't...then it really will never happen.

[jenk]

25. we're not ready, too much closet racism, our ticket will lose 40+ states

.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

30. The GOP has been floating around the idea of Bush/Rice

the nation is ready and it might happen.

[Pepperbelly]

15. apart from societal acceptence ... the more significant argument is ...

that she managed to lose Illinois to a very weak candidate when she was up for re-election.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. no the more significant question is

why are you doing the right wing smear machines job for them?

[Pepperbelly]

23. I don't mean to be ...

I remember when she lost to Fitzgerld and I did not understand it at all. It is an undisputed fact that she lost the election. Could she be counted upon to help carry Illinois if she were on the ticket?

What is your view of this?

[watercolors]

17. I've been thinking the same

I think she is remarkable and quite capable. Time this country woke up and stop being the good ole boy's club!

[LWolf]

20. She's been my choice for VP all along.

I'd love to see her on the ticket.

[QERTY]

22. Mosely Braun Not Clean

As a Chicagoan, I have had personal dealings with the Braun Campaign of the early nineties. I had been assigned to repo her rented computers and made several visits to her HQ. At the time, I was a supporter and was prepared to "fail" in my quest. I wasn't being a jerk or disrespectful but she and the goons she was surrounded by were extraordinarily rude. Also, as I was hanging around the HQ waiting to talk to her manager, I heard some of her senior hanchos make racist comments. I'm not expecting you to take my hearsay to heart and I'm not a dew-eyed idealist incapable of accepting the fact that the world is all shades of gray. All I'm asking is that, before you wholeheartedly jump on the Braun bandwagon (whose wheels are falling off anyway), look behind her rhetoric and be skeptical. I think a ticket with Braun would be damaging to the party.
Locally, we've heard more dirt than has been aired at the national level, especially in regard to her staff.
She was an excellent ambassador to NZ! After Bush is defeated, an ambassadorship would be perfect for her. Let's continue to push for females and minorities on our tickets not just in supporting roles but at the top. It WILL happen eventually. But Braun ain't the real deal.

[Padraig18]

26. Indeed!

We Chicagoans know her best, and supported her overwhlemingly in her first run for Senate, but NOT her second. Before you accord her sainthood, google her a bit.

I personally think she would be an EXCELLENT choice for UN Ambassador or HHS Secretary.

[trogdor]

24. He could do considerably worse.

...like pick somebody who has to simultaneously defend a Senate seat, for example. Gore did it and lost (sort of), and Dukakis did it and lost. I think doing this is a losing strategy. Period.

Mosley-Braun is intelligent, well-spoken, and has no political office to defend at the same time. Judging from what I have seen in the last debate, I think she'd compliment the ticket. Barring that, I think she'd be a fine Secretary of State.

Perhaps this is why she is in the race - to establish herself as a viable potential member of the team. Notice that she didn't engage in attacks on the other candidates like Kerry, Gephardt, or Lieberman did. Her first concern, IMO, is getting George W. Bush, not getting Howard Dean or Wesley Clark. This shows class.