"Creationist Summer Camp" SCARY SCARY SCARY

[Modem Butterfly]

http://www.reason.com/rb/rb071905.shtml

The creationists here at the Mega-Conference make it crystal clear that they are no namby-pamby Discovery Institute intelligent designers nor are they mere progressive evolutionists. As David Dewitt, associate professor of biology and head of the Creation Studies Center at Liberty University succinctly explains, "We believe that Adam and Eve were real people and that God created everything in six 24 hour days."

Romanian geologist Dr. Emil Silvestru "debunks" the notion that the earth had existed for millions of years in his talk "Rocks Around the Clock: The Eons That Never Were." In place of the scientific view that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old Silvestru offers a six thousand year "young Earth" chronology:


Creation—six 24-hour days
Lost World—1700 years—no big mountains, no plate tectonics
Flood—370 days—creation of high mountains, deep oceans, sedimentary rocks, plate tectonics form continents
Ice Age—1000 years
Post Ice Age—3000 years and counting.

Fossils are explained by Flood hydrology which covered over billions of animals and plants during the global inundation.

[Modem Butterfly]

1. And a shout-out to progressive Xians

Whitcomb doesn't just take godless evolutionists to task; he is also critical of Christians who accept progressive creationism or intelligent design. Progressive creationism as represented by Dr. Hugh Ross fails because Ross accepts (1) the Big Bang; (2) that animals were supernaturally and periodically created over many millions of years; (3) that Adam's rebellion did not introduce death into the animal kingdom for the first time; and (4) that the Flood was local to Mesopotamia.

[GreenPartyVoter]

43. These Young Earth people are so weird..

[underpants]

2. I know longer fear hell for I have been to Kreationist Summer Kamp

[More Than A Feeling]

48. "I feel like I'm going to die, Bart!"

"We're all going to die, Lis."

"No, I mean soon!"

"So did I"

[sui generis]

3. oooh I especially like the part about the blue fairy

picking up the field mice and bopping them on the head.

It's just a story. I mean if they hate Harry Potter for being all magical and preposterous and stuff and then they want us to believe this fairy tale instead it's pretty ironic. . . just sayin' :shrug:

[Modem Butterfly]

6. I had completely forgotten about that joke!

Now I have the song stuck in my head, and I can't stop laughing.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. It is

LOL. Such hypocrites. :eyes: I personally am a Christian and do believe in God and all that but if someone else doesn't believe then who am I to say they're wrong and don't have the right to their beliefs? Last time I looked they do. :eyes:

[greekspeak]

17. You are right...let them have their little indoctrination camp

But keep that garbage out of public school science classes.

[donco6]

19. I have the right to point out how stupid their beliefs are.

Sorry, but saying someone has a right to their beliefs doesn't mean we all have to sit here with hands folded while groups like these nitwits lead people down some fairy pathway.

[sui generis]

23. don't put words in people's mouths

NOBODY SAID they don't have the right to their beliefs. Here - there's something wrong with your eyes - they keep rolling for no good reason at all.

Keep looking -

I just don't want their personal non-scientific beliefs to be taught as science. That's the intersection - not whether you feel personally persecuted by my statement.

BTW, point of nuance, I do have the right to say you are wrong, but it's not about "right" and "wrong".

I'm just saying in my life I am intellectually incapable of having unwarranted "faith". Don't take it personally. This is EXACTLY why I despise faith - we're off topic due to an attempted hijacking.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Aren't you the one who posted the thread about the show "debunking"

evolution-- using logical arguments like, "just because our hands look like the hands of organgutans, it doens't mean we're related!"

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, however that doesn't mean they get a free pass from reality. When Bush trots out some Chevron shill to say global warming "needs more study" because only 95% of the polar ice caps are melted, am I to understand no one is allowed to challenge the factual basis of what he's saying... because -gee whillikers- he has the right to his beliefs, right?

Sorry. These people are peddling utter crap disguised as science, and if the brain-rot reaches the public schools, it's ALL OUR problem.

[formerrepuke]

4. The Creationist Mega-Conferfence ends tomorrow, July 22!...

there may still be time to catch some of it! Here's the link:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/events/megaconference/

I can't stay in their site long enough to read very much- it seems to cause massive loss of IQ points.

[BurtWorm]

5. Where does it mention an Ice Age in the Bible?

Heathens!

[ComerPerro]

9. That's his way of "compromising" with science

[ulysses]

7. the truth can now be told.

Americans are ignorant as hell of science because we prefer it that way.

[Modem Butterfly]

8. That's why I respect the hell out of teachers

And also why I suspect more than a few of them have a thing for windmills.

[ulysses]

12. just call me Donkey Hotey.

;-)

[Modem Butterfly]

13. You owe me a new keyboard

:rofl:

Early morning coffee and shamelss puns don't mix!

:spray:

[ulysses]

18. sorry about that.

:D

[ComerPerro]

11. Isn't it amazing

they don't actually have to offer any kind of evidence or proof whatsoever for their assertions.

All they have to do is say "Science is wrong" and they are applauded as "free thinkers".

[Deja Q]

14. Evolution is a part of creation. Why the fundies can't consider that...

[QuettaKid]

15. these people are OUT OF THEIR MINDS!!!

They believe Alley Oop had it right......unreal.





""For example, AiG's opening webpage features a graphic of Apatosaurus dinosaurs mingling with a herd of modern antelopes. Apparently, the comic strip featuring the prehistoric cave man Alley Oop chasing after dinosaurs was actually a precise look into humanity's past. In fact, AiG's president Ken Ham has written a lavishly illustrated children's book Dinosaurs of Eden (2001) which shows Adam and Eve and Noah and his kin frolicking with all manner of dinosaurs. One particularly charming illustration shows Flintstones-style ancient humans saddling up dinosaurs and camels as pack animals...""

:wow:

[Modem Butterfly]

27. Good catch!

Anyone who thinks this:



is an accurate representation of the age of dinosaurs has to be smoking crack.

[Modem Butterfly]

21. They do. And they reject it out of hand

Check out my second post, "Shout out to Progressive Xians".

[Bill McBlueState]

16. the sun is a mass of incandescent gas...

There are a lot of fake geologists and biologists on the creationist side, but they seem to be lacking in fake astronomers. One of the key pieces of evidence for the age of the Earth is that given all we know about how the sun shines, through nuclear fusion, the sun *has* to be several billion years old. We've known that for most of the last century.

Among all the fake explanations for the fossil record and bullshit arguments for special creation of species, you never hear them trying to explain how the sun shines the way it does if it's only a few thousand years old.

These guys just aren't smart enough to cover all the bases that need covering with their lies.

[sui generis]

24. not just that but what we know about the speed of light

in a vacuum tells us that some of the light reaching our eyes is much "older" than 6000 years when it informs us of the presence of stars.

It is an absolute shame that they are doing this to their children - it is the destruction of minds and the destruction of intellectual potential. You might as well lobotomize them.

[Modem Butterfly]

28. They're unwittingly aiding evolution

Quel ironique.

[sui generis]

30. (let's just let that be our little secret)

;)

[Endangered Specie]

20. Nothing like a little youth indoctrination...

its worked well before:




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Remember, when God is with you, hes against everyone else :scared:

[Modem Butterfly]

29. Tomorrow belongs to me...

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

22. You call it scary; I call it

job security for the educated youth.

Let the rubes wallow in moon dust.

[knitter4democracy]

25. I went to something like that.

It was my husband's and my first date. He took me to hear a Creationist speaker that all the conservative churches in town had gotten together to bring in. It was his test to see whether we could keep dating or not. Boy, was that guy funny! I just got sad after awhile, but we had a really good laugh.

See, we went to an evangelical Christian college, and he was pre-med. All the science majors were quietly pro-evolution, and I was an English major. He had to make sure that I wasn't a Creationist, or we couldn't keep dating. It sounds weird now, but that was the environment. Of course, I made him go to a coffee house almost an hour away (closest one) and listen to folk music for the same reason. ;)

[NYC Liberal]

26. If their god was as powerful as they say he is

Then why did it take him that long to make everything? Why couldn't he have just snapped his fingers or whatever?

The best part of the "creation" is the 7th day...you know, when omiscient, omnipotent mighty God had to "rest." Boy I'm sure God was reaaaallly worn out :eyes:

[Ms. K]

31. My God and my JEEBUS!

Alley Oop is an accurate representation of the way things REALLY were?

I thought fundie Xtians didn't believe that dinosaurs really existed, even when confronted with evidence of their remains. Huh...interesting.

I can't read that site for too long, it makes my brain hurt. Not to mention, this time of morning, it makes me stupid. I start drooling, and muttering incoherent ramblings about Deucalion's Flood that sound suspiciously like, "build the Ark, two by two, forty days of rain."

But I'm not surprised that there's a Kreationist Kamp going. Gotta spread their idiocy, and make the sheeple even dumber than they started out. Hey, if they want to ignore the realities of evolution, and the realities of our current environmental crisis, fine by me, but don't cry to me when you can't get the kiddies to Royal Rangers or Awana because you can't get gas for your SUV.

[electron_blue]

32. Just think what they could accomplish if they directed their energies

elsewhere. Such as scrapbooking!

Hey - can you find out for me where the flat-earth fits into all of this and whether they think the moon landing really happened? :p

[blindpig]

33. We ARE DEVO

It's official. Can I transfer my alligence to a more rational species, say Canis domesticus? If they'll have me.

[The Flaming Red Head]

34. They're actually giving them degrees

I'm fighting just to have half of my credits recognized from one state (LSU) college to the other (Arkansas) and Liberty is giving degrees to idiots. It's not fair.

[electron_blue]

35. degrees in what?

college credit?

[The Flaming Red Head]

37. It said Liberty University so I am assuming BA, BS what have you

They won't even transfer my upper level sciences from LSU to Arkansas. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars and they're (Liberty and bible colleges like it)probably giving PHDs to morons. I'm going to be poor forever and these people are going to be able to get jobs.

[electron_blue]

42. Wow. BS in creationism. Who woulda thought?

We know what the BS stands for, of course.

[TWiley]

36. These people are either morons, or mentally ill.

And we believe that one must hear voices and talk to imaginary friends in order to be qualified for a leadership positon?

[Modem Butterfly]

38. Survey says:

BOTH!

[TWiley]

45. Have you paused to consider the fact that the shrub

believes in Armageddon, and has access to the red button? Yesterday, this fundie nut job was telling me that he was actually a "pre-trib Christian", and that "post-trib Christians" were wrong.

He then went on to explain in a very matter-of-fact way that "When the trumpet sounds, dead people will fly up from the ground and ascend into heaven" I asked "well, will their bodies be like all rotted out with worms in their teeth and all?" and he said "No, they will be given new bodies as they bust through the sod"

Now, just HOW in the HELL does he know that? I told him that "you can rationalize anything, and this sounds like BULLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT to me."

There was no room in his thoughts for the possibility that he was talking right out his ass. He had convinced himself that it was fact.

Now, we want these people as Generals, Governors, Senators, Employers, and Presidents?

Not so long ago, people who heard voices were locked up. Now they run for office. sheesh

[donco6]

47. That whole philosophy is strung together with shreds

of verses in the Bible. A little piece here, a big assumption there, sprinkle on a little fairy dust, and VOILA! A guaranteed happy ending no matter what we do to ourselves.

[BoneDaddy]

39. Control

It is all about the control people, the script does not matter, whether it be Christian Fundamentalists, the Likud party or radical islam, etc. The mythology is only as important as it can do it's job and that is to further enslave the minds of people to accept a way of life that allows the power structure to continue to operate.

Any fundamentalist mythology does a number of things that ensure the people at the top continue to wield power.

1. It puts forth the idea that they are God's "chosen ones", an entitlement that gives them a status that they are better than others.

2. Revolution is born from imagination. Fundamentalism reinforces the "literal" interpretation so they do not have to think, they have ALL the answers. Granted this is a very easy and comfortable way to go through life, no responsibility for your choices, after all if the Bible says it, it must be right. Metaphor, symbolism and abstract thinking are not part of their rhetoric.

3. It is militant and aggressive. Fundamentalism cannot have competition, it is our way or the highway. America, love it or leave it. Saving souls is mind control.

[SoCalDem]

41. Where is Jason, when he's needed?

He finds the wrong camps:evilgrin:

[GeekMonkey]

44. and yet some ppl would rather concentrate on a bit of sex

in a video game


THIS kind of camp is the REAL danger to our kids, and the rest of us that have to live in a world populated by these nutball fanatics


Let's make the bible available only to ppl 18 and over and leave the video games alone!

[TWiley]

46. Save the world, burn the bible

make it available only by perscription.