This little tid bit may just be the "sleeper" in Treasongate

[Ugnmoose]

I think we need to start paying attention to the fact that Fitz subpoened the phone logs from Air Force 1. As a matter of protocol all conversations on AF1 are recorded. So, if as suspected conversations took place regarding the "Top Secret Memo" he may well have much of the documented evidence he needs to establish the initial source or sources of the leak. After that it is just a matter of following the trail of people who came into the loop which of course ultimately leads us to Rove and Libby.

What is interesting is that we know that witnesses have testified that Bush knew about the leak (that is why he hired a private attorney), which I guess means that Bush knew when he was on AF1 that the "Top Secret Memo" with Plames identity was going to be made public. If Bush knew, of course so did Cheney, which is why Libby is so important. Rove was Bush's surrogate and Libby was Cheney's. I also think that Fitz got some of the lesser aides and staff people to roll over with grants of immunity. That is how he got witnesses to testify that Bush knew.

Slowly but surely this whole treasonous affair is starting to take shape. I tell you what I would love to know what Fitz found on the AF1 recorded phone conversations. Could it be that that was the information included in the blacked out 8 pages of his brief?

[Walt Starr]

1. We may never know beyond treason being committed

At least, or a good number of years, anyway.

[Stephanie]

2. There was a night at DU maybe a year ago or more!

There was a report that Fitz had subpoenaed a transcript of a press gaggle above AF1 during that trip. Because transcripts were up on the website for every other press briefing except for that particular date. And this DUer figured out the URLs were coded by date. And even though there was no link in the index for this date, when he typed in what he thought the URL should be the page appeared. So they had only taken down the link, not the page! So we spent that whole night emailing the transcript to whoever we thought might be interested! LOL!

[Stephanie]

4. I found the thread -

I had it bookmarked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1196551

AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts)

Fri Mar-05-04 12:54 AM

Please help me with this RE: Subpoena of WH records...

In this Newsday article (posted in LBN)
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uslea...
it states that:
<snip>
That subpoena also sought a complete transcript of a July 12 press "gaggle," or informal briefing, by then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer while at the National Hospital in Abuja, Nigeria.

That transcript is missing from the White House Web site containing transcripts of other press briefings. In a transcript the White House released at the time to Federal News Service, Fleischer discusses Wilson and his CIA report.
<snip>

Being the curious person that I am, I checked out the WH press briefing archive at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings /
and noticed that there is not a link for July 12, 2003.

I wondered if even though there is no link, that the file might still be there. The WH uses a fairly simple method for organizing URLs, so I just copied the one for July 11, 2003 and changed it to the 12th. I had to try a couple of times (the last number is apparently for distinguishing separate articles on the same day) but I did find the briefing transcript!
The url is here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/2003071...

I have saved a copy of this, and would appreciate it if other people would also. But what should I do about this? Should I notify someone?

Thanks,
AZCat

[tuvor]

5. Some discussion about it last night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1944812&mesg_id=1944812

[Stephanie]

8. Actually they're talking about a different date

They're talking about June 9, 2003 and I am talking about June 12, 2003. June 9 went missing recently, apparently. June 12 disappeared in 2003 but was uncovered by DUer AZCat.

[seabeyond]

3. they know it is recorded.

why would they be doing this on phones that have recording. i dont get this. i mean......sounds awfully stupid. or totally arrogant thinking no one would come for them

[senseandsensibility]

7. Hi seabeyond!

:hi: You're right, but then again you and I probably think like normal people. No one ever accused this crowd of being normal. And Nixon said all kinds of things on his tapes, so who knows?

[seabeyond]

21. hi senseandsensibility

:hi:

i have talked to people about chronic liars. liars without conscience. a whole different breed. you and i lie to get out of trouble, hope of all hopes we dont get caught. the bush liar, they dont care about getting caught. they just continue the lie over and over and over. an amazing breed of human

[Ugnmoose]

9. Why did Nixon get nailed on tape?

It is because they are a bunch of arrogant sob's who believe they are totally above the law. They never expected anything to happen. After all they control the Congress and the Judiciary. If Ashcroft didn't have to recuse himself and Fitz get appointed this case would have gone no where.

[seabeyond]

11. i would think, i dont know, nixon would be the reminder thing

dont get me wrong, i am hoping they are exactly that stupid, lol. but man, this is stupid

[TankLV]

19. Nixon did the tapes to record his "greatness" for posterity.

Repukes are incredibly arrogant bastards, more than others.

[jsamuel]

6. George W. Bush - The First American President to be Convicted of TREASON

ahhhhhhhhh...

[punpirate]

10. Fitzgerald likely has not asked for the recorded conversations...

... if they were from the administration, one can be quite certain that the White House would have refused to deliver them as a matter of private conversations covered by executive privilege. That would have forced Fitzgerald to go to court to get them, and we certainly would have heard of that effort.

Now, after the indictments are passed down, we might see such a request, and the battle for them would begin.

Cheers.

[Ugnmoose]

13. Why then did he subpoena them?

I think if they refused to provide them that might have already been leaked.

[punpirate]

23. Correct me if I'm wrong...

... but I think he got the call logs, not the actual recordings. Logs are one thing, but the actual conversations are quite another.

Cheers.

[H2O Man]

16. Interesting point.

As a rule, a House committee investigating impeachable offenses is the only body that can access literally anything from an administration.

[dweller]

12. RIP Rosie Woods

boy how they need you now...



dp

[blondeatlast]

15. Great minds and all that, see below. nt

[Stephanie]

22. What the hell is she wearing?

That is quite possibly the worst dress I have ever seen.

[dweller]

24. i thought it was a layered look

lime green work-wear, an orangeish lunch-bib, topped with a turqoise cocktail party dress.

de riqeuer for the Nixononian Washington scene...

:shrug:

dp

[blondeatlast]

14. Can Karen Hughes do the "Rosemary Reach?"

Phone conversations? Recordings?

I'm having deja vu all over again...

[dweller]

18. there have been many, too many interesting confluences

with Watergate, beginning with the characters ...reappearing...

dp

[Wizard777]

17. If that's the sleeper. The resurection is

The open line from the White House to Sr. in the build up to the invasion.

Daddy, That Colin Powell is not a white guy with a really good tan at all. They tricked me into hiring a darkie. Son, shut up and put your Uncle Dick on the phone!

There is a very fine line between doing something FOR someone and doing some thing TO someone. This has both positive a negative applications.

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[rumpel]

20. but one would think, someone knowing the illegality of such actions and

conversations being recorded as a matter of course, would avoid it. But having seen these people being so brazen and arrogant, who knows..