Most noted member of "Feminists for Life" other than John Robert's wife

[LynneSin]

http://www.feministsforlife.org/

Yep that's "Everyone Loves Raymond" Patricia Heaton. I love how her vision of feminism includes about $50,000 worth of plastic surgery since obviously she can't feel good about herself unless she gets herself all sliced up. That's a great role model I want for our daughters :eyes:

[katinmn]

1. I heard Heaton was a big Bush supporter

Either feministsforlife is a front group or they have been heavily infiltrated!

[LynneSin]

2. Feminists for Life is an anti-abortion group

They're trying to claim that it's feminist to take away women's rights

[Name removed]

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[LynneSin]

5. You know they even have an Emily's List type group

The Wish List is suppose to be a group that supports "Pro-Choice" republican women which for some they truly are like Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. But they also support Kay Bailey Hutchinson who is about pro-choice as I am pro-bush.

But again it's another way that the repuke organizations make these websites that 'seem' like they are progressive related appealling to women but in all reality they are fronts for their warped causes.

[HockeyMom]

3. I can think of

a hell of a lot more things I could do with $50,000 than paying for plastic surgery. That would certainly pay for my daughter's college, for one thing.

[Cerridwen]

6. It's a front group of anti-choice women who have appropriated

the word feminism.

In the 80s, a group of women splintered out of feminist circles and called themselves "power feminists." Power feminism was/is the belief that women should become more like some distorted version of "powerful men," i.e., screw over anyone and anything that gets in your way to the top, the perversion of the Golden Rule "(S)he who has the gold, rules" and "Do unto others, before they do unto you," all things feminine are weak and to be despised and other tripe such as that.

This particular group of women are anti-choice and use the "ideology" of power feminism to justify their hatred toward themselves which they then direct toward other women. Women who hate being women are scary creatures.

Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, Phyllis Shafly and Beverley LaHaye are examples of this type of "being "manlier" than the men."

These are the "men in skirts."

edited to add: As far as I'm concerned, the only thing remotely "feminist" about these women is that they now or at some time in the past, have ovaries.

[Scout]

9. I've often said that there's no such thing as a Republican woman

they are just dickless men...

[Cerridwen]

15. Heehee

Thanks for the laugh - I'd forgotten that phrase.

:o

[stanwyck]

21. Funny. They do look like

female impersonators. Too much eye makeup, overdone hair, and those clothes! Where do they get those brightly colored power suits? The Liddy Dole suits? Most women ditched those after the '80's. You can tell a Republican woman a mile off...she looks like she sells real estate or Avon.

[katinmn]

23. And there's the wives.... Here's Normie Coleman's Laurie

Is she trying to impersonate Man Coulter? She didn't have those boobs when she still lived in Minnesota.

The second Norm was elected, she split to California to pursue a lingerie modeling career.

It's all such superficial bullshit -- from her looks to their marraige.

[ArkDem]

34. What about the 'shrinkage factor' in cold climates?

[katinmn]

43. LOL!

:rofl:

[stanwyck]

88. She's got the tennis ball

in a sock boob job which is the telltale sign of stripper surgery.

[KC21304]

91. So he had to get new teeth to go with her boob job ?

That doesn't sound right. Sorry.:P

[katinmn]

92. HAHAHAHAHA!

Lest we forget, here's before and after:



He still looks like a smarmy bastid to me.

[second edition]

7. This doesn't surprise me, as usual, a smoke screen

for what their real group agenda is. Your correct when you say Heaton is a bad roll model. Imagine being so self loathing that you can only feel good about yourself with numerous reconstructive surgery.

[RatRacer]

8. That's a little over the top

She got a tummy tuck as the bulk of any plastic surgery she's had, because she didn't like the way her stomach looked after four C-sections (she also had a breast reduction).

"Plastic surgery is like a big elephant sitting in the Hollywood living room," she told Ladies' Home Journal last year. "Everyone does it, and apparently no one is supposed to talk about it. I understand privacy, but when women come up to me who've also had four kids and cesareans and say, 'My body's shot, but you look so great,' I'm not going to lie to them." Indeed, part of her secret for keeping a balanced attitude about life is laughing at herself and being refreshingly upfront about the showbiz world in which she lives.

She was pretty upfront about this in her recent book. I don't think she's being a bad role model at all.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. A Breast Reduction?!?!?

And you believe that? Apparently you didn't watch a show here and there over the years. If you believe that's all she had done, you are being enormously naive.

She clearly had the face tightened, she had implants PUT IN, and she had the hip bones shaved. In fact, that was reported in the news at the time and she actually had some convoluted "God wouldn't have invented surgery. . ." sort of rationalization in a major magazine.

You need to research well beyond HER book.
The Professor

[RatRacer]

12. I have researched it

I didn't read her book, though I managed to find several excerpts. I've looked all over the internet for most of what I know about it. I'm not an investigative reporter, but I didn't just consult her book. What I did see is that she lost a good bit of weight over the years, which would significantly change the appearance of her face.

The breast reduction was accompanied by a breast lift because, as she put it, she could have tucked them into her belt they were sagging so low.

Patricia reveals a side of herself that few actresses would dare. "Giving birth four times has taught me that a plastic surgeon is a girl's best friend,” she says. "Having a C-section every two years makes your stomach end up looking like one of those cute Chinese Sharpei dogs—that have all the folds and skins hanging off them. That's not cute. My breasts—you had to fold them like Origami to get them into a bra. It was horrible. The advantage to having them lifted was my waistline went down because I no longer had to tuck 'em in my belt."

Oprah: I think it's great you're so honest about it.

Patricia: I think people make such a big deal about hiding it, and I also think that tabloids are going to discover everything about it and tell it anyway. So I'd rather be the one delivering the news and be in control of it.

Maybe the life included implants. Who the hell cares? Regardless, the burden of proof is on you. Implants, hip bones shaved, face tightened...hit the books and find the real deal.

To tell the truth, who gives a flying rip if she did get implants or any number of other things done? Sure, it can become obsessive and ridiculous, but I don't see the problem with people wanting to make a few improvements to look as good as they can, within reason.

[katinmn]

17. Of course YOU see nothing wrong with it.

You are going out of your way to defend the R-Wers.

Besides getting new boobies and a new face, do you think it's nice that she supports Bush, too?

[RatRacer]

19. No, I don't

I just think it's silly to tear down every decision a person makes just because his/her views on other issues aren't the same as ours. It undermines our case and makes us look like wild-eyed nutjobs, IMO. There are tons of Hollywood stars who have gotten plastic surgery of some sort, who speak out for causes and political issues that are in line with progressive values, but I don't hear anyone castigating them for those choices. Keep your eye on the ball.

[katinmn]

20. whatevah

[ProfessorGAC]

31. Once Again. Please Look Up "Hypocrisy" & "Duplicity"

And, consider the roots of those two thins, in her, as they are related to personal selfishness. If you don't see it, then the cause is already lost.

The Professor

[Hello_Kitty]

86. I see your point there

It IS hypocritical for her to acknowledge and reinforce societal dictates on women like that. Heaton has the money to get surgery to "correct" the toll childbirth has taken on her physique. Yet she wants to force childbirth on other women with fewer resources. She's not just anti-abortion - she's not too keen on contraception either from things I've read.

So when poorer women's bodies are "disfigured" (I use quotes b/c that's society's view - not mine) by bearing multiple children, they and their kids will suffer the financial consequences of it, since women's earnings and job prospects are directly impacted by their weight and appearance, particularly true the less educated they are. And if you don't believe that, get your head out of your ass. Then Ms. Perky Boobies Tummy Tuck Heaton has the nerve to brag about how good she looks after 4 kids. Screw her.

[RatRacer]

89. Actually, she was doing the opposite

She mentioned that people were commenting on how good she looked after having four kids and she didn't want women to think that it just came naturally and therefore feel bad about themselves if they didn't feel they still looked fit and trim. She wanted to dispel that myth by openly talking about the fact that she had some help. There's nothing wrong with her getting the surgery if she can afford it just as there's nothing wrong with her doing any number of things poor and middle class women may not be able to afford (have a nice car, take a long vacation to some exotic locale, own a second home, etc).

At least she was honest about it instead of acting like she just naturally looks good or has worked out and dieted like crazy to get there so quickly. If anything, THAT would make someone feel worse. You can chalk up "well she got some work done" a lot easier than looking at someone who did it themselves and feeling like some kind of failure because you diet and exercise like crazy and don't look nearly as fit.

[Hello_Kitty]

90. She can get all the surgery she wants

And talk about it all she wants. Just don't expect me to respect her for trying to impose forced childbirth on the women who WON'T be able to afford to get their tummies and boobs fixed, and WILL be at the mercy of a cruel image-obsessed job market if their husbands leave them. The fact that she's honest about her surgeries doesn't mitigate the hypocrisy of that IMO.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. I Don't Care

Try to keep up, please. It's her duplicity and hypocrisy to which i object. She's so focused on what God wants yet the surgery is somehow God's will. Maybe somebody having an abortion is god's will, too!

So, what i object to is that she's willing to rationalize unnecessary surgery as god's will but abortion isn't, making HERSELF the arbiter of god's will.

That's not something that will engender respect from me. It generates derision and makes me realize what a hypocrite she is. You can stop defending her to me. She is indefensible.
The Professor

[progressivebydesign]

48. Why doesn't she love the body God gave her? n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

51. My Point Exactly

She's anti-abortion and doesn't believe women should have that choice. But, believes SHE should have the choice to alter what her maker gave her. And folks here are defending that fundamental, and self-centered duplicity. Truly astounding.
The Professor

[ArkDem]

56. I'm pro-choice but I want to point out a problem with your

argument. To someone who believes a fetus is a baby on the way (silly, I know) to abort it would cause the loss of another's life which would not be the case with cosmetic surgery.

[LynneSin]

63. Ask Olivia Goldsmith about that one

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108680,00.html

She's died during plastic surgery and believe me, plastic surgery isn't as safe and the Patricia Heaton's of the world think it is.

What makes it worse is so many women believe that they aren't beautiful unless the carve themselves up to hollywood's standard and yet they don't have the bank account to afford the top line surgeons. So they end up with multilated faces, bodies and breasts that look nothing like what they see on the Lindsay Lohans & Pam Anderson's in the limelight. And many of them end up permamently disfigured, disabled or dead from their choices.

MTV had a great series called "I want a famous face" where they found everyday people who were going under the knife to look more like someone famous (they did not offer these surgeries - the people getting them were already in the process), but what I liked about the show was they showed the bad side of plastic surgery, people who wanted to look famous and ended up ruining their health & bodies from the choice they made.

I'm not discounting plastic surgery, hell I keep thinking if I ever lost all the weight and still had a gut I might want to have it removed. But then I think that beauty isn't what's on the outside but what's inside of me. If I don't love what I have who will love me?

[ProfessorGAC]

75. It's A Problem If One Is A Two Dimensional Thinker

I'm not. Such feeble refutations are no threat. You even said it was silly. Why would i find my argument damaged by a silly refutation? That wouldn't even make sense. And, unnecessary surgical procedures are unnecessary surgical procedures. There is no "almost unnecessary" or "sort of". And, my issue has not been, at any point in this thread, with plastic surgery!

My issue has been that a woman who had a bunch of it as a matter of choice would like to eliminate that choice for other woman, because SHE sees a distinction without a difference. And, more depressingly, people here on DU are defending such a duplicitous rat.

The Professor

[Straight Shooter]

70. Because God hasn't shown someone how to design a bra for hanging bananas.

God has clearly failed Ms. Heaton in the lingerie department.

[RatRacer]

82. Maybe she didn't like how they looked when she took the bra off

I couldn't care less why she did it.

[ArkDem]

53. She has hairy hip bones?

[ProfessorGAC]

77. Thanks For The Levity, ArkDem

This is depressing.
The Professor

[Cerridwen]

14. Being up front about having oneself surgically altered to become

a Stepford Wife is hardly what I'd call a good role model. It is what I would call propaganda. It's right up there with women touring the country giving speeches about how "good women" stay at home and take care of the house and children and meet their lord and master at the door with a drink at the end of his long day.


:puke:

[RatRacer]

16. And I think it's about a choice that's up to her to make

If she doesn't like the way her tummy or breasts looked after having four kids and felt like getting something done about it, big fat hairy deal.

[SemperEadem]

24. a good bra and girdle would have done the same for her

after all, she's not parading out in public in the nude.

[RatRacer]

27. Maybe it would have

I still don't think it's something to be dwelling on. She got a boob job and a tummy tuck. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

[progressivebydesign]

49. Gosh.. so she's 'pro-choice'??? n/t

[LynneSin]

22. She also had her face done

You can see a definate difference with her face when she first started ELR and at the end.

Publicity-wise she did the smart thing by coming out and mentioning the surgery claiming it was just a tummy tuck & breast reduction, but that face has been worked on too.

I know that Plastic Surgery & Hollywood go hand & hand but you'd think some power feminist good Christian gal would try and be the role model of beauty being more than skin deep. To me she is nothing more than a hypocrite. Hopefully now that her awful show has finally ended it's run she'll be relegated to hawking Acme markets and other 3rd rate commericials

[NYCGirl]

13. In the business she's in, it's a way of life. That's the only way a woman

can continue to work.

[SemperEadem]

26. It's the way only mediocre actresses can work

there are plenty of non-nubile, older FANTASTIC actresses who work steadily in TV and film because they are good at their craft--they have dimension and can play a myriad of characters. Heaton ain't one of those.

[NYCGirl]

28. Meryl Streep has complained there are limited jobs for actresses over 40.

I don't think she fits your description.

BTW, I'm an actress. There is serious discrimination in the business.

[ProfessorGAC]

32. And Yet, No Surgery For Meryl

Hmmmm! Would seem to reinforce exactly the point the other poster made.

Mediocrity has nothing on which to lean except a pretty face.
The Professor

[NYCGirl]

36. I wouldn't count on that "no surgery for Meryl" thing. NT

[ProfessorGAC]

37. I'll Count On It

she said she wouldn't have surgery not required for health reasons. I've got no reason to disbelieve.
The Professor

[RatRacer]

35. I beg to differ.

I think there are some very good actresses out there who would tell you it's very hard for middle-aged and older women to get work. Meryl Streep and Diane Keaton come to mind. They don't work nearly as much as they used to and not always by choice. When you've got movies like "Six Days and Six Nights" pairing an older man (Harrison Ford) with a younger woman (Anne Heche) or "As Good As It Gets" with Jack Nicholas and Helen Hunt, it makes it tough. They just aren't pairing women in the same age bracket with the leading man (unless of course, the man is young also, then the ages match).

That's not to say that Heaton is on the same level as Streep...just saying that being good at your craft doesn't mean anything these days. It's still driven by looks out there.

[ProfessorGAC]

38. The Defense Of A Hack Like Heaton Is Getting Hard To Take

She's a duplicitous rat who thinks she is the ultimate arbiter of god's will, and people here are defending her.

Makes me want to puke.
The Professor

[NYCGirl]

39. We're not defending her politics, only her right to do with her body what

she wants, without people judging her. Sounds like a progressive thing, doesn't it?

Edited to add: Would you be so upset about it if you found out that Susan Sarandon had surgery?

[RatRacer]

40. It's the double standard thing

You undermine your own case when you take one person to task over a side issue like this just because you don't like their politics, but remain silent regarding those whose views more closely dovetail with your own. Not only is it highly hypocritical, it's a red herring that detracts from the primary point of disagreement.

[ProfessorGAC]

41. There Is No Defense

She wants to do what she wants with her body, but wants to restrict that right for others. And you think that's ok?
The Professor

[NYCGirl]

42. There's hypocrites everywhere — right and left.

I don't like it in others, but I'm not going to imitate it.

[ProfessorGAC]

44. Any Examples?

I don't admire duplicity. Apparently, it's ok to be duplicitous and a hypocrite if one is a female actress and the subject is plastic surgery.

How would you feel if this discussion was about reproductive rights? Heaton would likely be your polar opposite. So, it's ok for her to do what she wishes for her body, as long as it furthers her career, but also ok for her to decide how other people should make decisions apropos their bodies because she KNOWS what god thinks.

She's a major tool, with the IQ of a toad. She's not the poster girl for women's rights. And any defense of anything she's ever done or said is a sickening display on a site like DU.
The Professor

[NYCGirl]

47. But, as you say,

this discussion is NOT about reproductive rights. If it was, this thread would be VERY different. Cosmetic surgery and abortion are quite different.

[ProfessorGAC]

50. Why?

Why are they different? Aren't they both rooted in one's ability to elect a medical procedure as a matter of choice? So, why is it ok for her to think god approves of plastic surgery (her words, not mine), but doesn't approve of some other valid medical procedure?

Your making a distinction without a difference in the interest of defending a hack actress, with whom you share an avocation. You're being awfully kind to her, and i'm completely baffled as to why.
The Professor

[NYCGirl]

52. And I'm wondering why if she such a dumb, trite, hack actress why you

are spending so much time demonizing someone who has so little power except in her little political group?

The difference in the surgery are myriad — the reasons for having the operation, the effects on the body, the psychological aftereffects (both have these, and they are generally different), etc.

As for god approving of her plastic surgery — that's a stupid statement made by many to justify their life decisions and make themselves feel better, and it has no defense.

[ProfessorGAC]

54. Then Why Did You Defend Her?

Somehow you have deluded yourself into thinking this is about her SURGERY. It's about HER and her duplicity. Why are you missing that point? Just being intentionally obtuse? And, how does my wanting to be abundantly clear as why i don't like her as an actress and a person hurt anybody here? Why shouldn't i spend my time making sure that people know what a loathesome and hypocritical wretch she is?

People here are defending the right of a woman to have plastic surgery who makes public statements about restricting the rights of other women to do the same. That's indefensible and no progressive should support someone like that.

In addition, remember that when asked about it when she first had it (in People magazine) her reply was to the effect that "Well, i can afford it." Another brilliantly progressive thought there. Poor women shouldn't have access to surgery or medical procedures of choice, but rich women should. And you are ok with that too?

And, don't lecture about the surgical differences. For one thing, we're talking about the philosophical disconnect here, not medicine. I know the two surgeries are completely different. That being said, how much of Heaton's plastic surgery was necessary?

I am opposed to anyone having unnecessary surgery. She's not. She's just opposed to people with less money having the kind of medical procedures they want because SHE DOESN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE IT.

And her dropping of the god bomb is the only thing you find indefensible?
The Professor

[NYCGirl]

58. Listen, I don't read People Magazine. I know next to nothing about her.

I've never seen her TV show. I was originally pointing out that cosmetic surgery for actresses is not completely for selfish reasons, as many were saying, but to help them have a longer career. That's a FACT.

I am not opposed to anyone having unnecessary surgery. In a perfect world, EVERYONE would have access to medical procedures, but this is not yet a perfect world.

[ProfessorGAC]

73. And Yet, You Continue To Defend Her

So an actress you know nothing about, by your own admission, gets defended by you over her need, after she's already a multimillionaire, to have unnecessary surgery while she objects to others having equal choice.

Seems you should have dropped the defense a long time ago. As i said an hour ago, she is indefensible. You picked the wrong poster child.
The Professor

[RatRacer]

80. I think part of the problem here

...and with people on both sides of the abortion issue in general is that they paint each other with these broad ideological brushes. It's like when anti-abortion rights people call pro-choice folks "pro-abortion." The flipside of that is when pro-choice people say that anti-abortion folks want to "control women's bodies." Both sides are spewing a heaping pile of bullshit.

No one is pro-abortion. At least no one I've ever met. Who is in favor of a woman feeling cornered in a no-win situation and having to have an invasive medical procedure? That's ludicrous.. They are in favor of a woman having the choice in the matter...have an abortion or remain pregnant and have a baby.

And people who called themselves "pro-life" in this debate have no desire to tell women what to do with their bodies as long as only their body is the one affected. They don't care if women get plastic surgery or not. they aren't prohibiting women from getting tattoos or piercings. If a woman wants to have a tubal litigation, no one is trying to stop her. The list goes on. So saying they don't want women to have control over their bodies or oppose women making their own medical decisions with regard to their body is overreaching. They oppose one thing because they believe another being is involved in the decision. I'm not saying I agree or not, I'm just saying that the verbiage being used about them is a gross exaggeration.

I just wish both sides could tone down the rhetoric and discuss the subject like decent people.

[MattSWin]

60. Professor....

I hate to sound too libertarian here but having the right to have plastic surgery isn't restricted just because the government won't pay for it.

I have the right to own a BMW so does the fact I can't afford one mean my right to buy one is nonexistent?

[ProfessorGAC]

71. Could You Miss The Point By Any More?

Sheesh! That was a complete nonsequitur.
The Professor

[MattSWin]

74. I'm sorry we can't all be as brilliant as you..

You're way too smart for the rest of us :eyes:

[ProfessorGAC]

76. Or At Least One Or You

So, in reality, you never actually had a point, did you? You do understand that the whole point is that Heaton is an loathesome rat who deserves no support from progressives? Apparently not.

The Professor

[LynneSin]

59. What about "Something's Gotta Give"

Not only was Keaton ultimately paired up with Nicholson, she almost went with younger man Keanu Reeves instead.

Hollywood ain't all that bad!

Edit note: I had the wrong movie listed originally

[RatRacer]

65. I think you're thinking of another movie

I saw it and can't remember the title of it, but "As Good As It Gets" pairs Nicholson with Helen Hunt.

I know, it happens, but disproportinately, it's younger actresses with older men.

[LynneSin]

69. You're right - it's "Somethings Gotta Give"

I stand corrected!

[dancingme]

11. Heaton was on TV crying over Terri Schiavo

during Hannity's camp out in front of the hospice. She claimed they were murdering a disabled person.

[katinmn]

18. She sounds like a good subject for Swamp Rat to take on.

:puke:

[Modem Butterfly]

64. She fasted for Terri for one day

I think it was Good Friday. She said it was to draw attention to Terri's plight.

WTF? I can understand a devout Catholic fasting on Good Friday, and I can understand someone feeling strongly enough about Terri Schiavo to fast as a protest, but thinking that people didn't know about her at that point was just nuts.

[Divameow77]

25. I have no issue with Ms. Heatons choice to have

plastic surgery, shoot give me the money and I would have bigger boobs. I don't think it takes anything away from a woman to improve how she looks if she chooses to.
I do have a problem with her views and that she chooses to support a president who could honestly care less about her rights, but she does have the right to have those views and express them, just as we do.

[youspeakmylanguage]

29. Who cares about an already has-been television actress?

In six months she'll be doing infomercials at 4AM for plastic chicken rotisseries. She isn't even worth the effort to criticize.

[MattSWin]

33. It's her body....

Why are you making such a big deal out of her having plastic surgery?

I'm sure there are pro-choice feminist women who get plastic surgery as well.

[Modem Butterfly]

45. The problem is, she's trying to tell OTHERS what to do w/ THEIR bodies

She's a hypocrite of the first order.

[MattSWin]

55. Not necessarily...

That's the pro-choice rhetoric version of pro-life extremists saying pro-choicers support abortion.

Alot of the pro-life I know don't believe they're telling a woman what she can or can't do with her body. They believe a fetus is a separate human life.

So this isn't necessarily hypocritical.

It's more hypocritical to support a woman's right to do what she wants with her body when it comes to abortion but not plastic surgery than vice versa.

[Modem Butterfly]

57. Just because they're delusional doesn't excuse them

And in any event, if Patricia Heaton isn't smart enough to realize that there's a connection between her right to plastic surgery and my right to choose whether or not I'll have a baby, well, maybe she's not smart enough to be so out-front of a national group.

[MattSWin]

61. ahh so anyone who disagrees with you...

Is delusional? That's pretty open minded.

[Modem Butterfly]

62. No, but anyone who mistakes a developing fetus...

...for a separate and distinct human being has some definite cognition problems.

[MattSWin]

72. So there aren't obstetricians who believe...

That?

[Modem Butterfly]

78. I suppose there are

There are also oncologists who reject germ theory and geologists who reject plate tectonics.

And?

[in_cog_ni_to]

79. sure there are..RW, religious wacko nut job

obstetricians. :eyes: It's a baby until it's born, then it's a burden to society when it needs social programs to live. Pro-Life until BIRTH.

[noiretextatique]

87. "believe"...do you see a problem with this word...yet?

small children "believe" in the easter bunny and santa claus. some people still "believe" the earth is flat. some people really "believe" god lives in the sky. people "believe" all kinds of irrational things. that's why "beliefs" don't make for good public policy.

[noiretextatique]

83. their "beliefs" should only govern what you do with their bodies

and plenty of so-called pro-life women have abortions...they just get all weepy and HYPOCRITICAL by claiming other women don't have that option.

[progressivebydesign]

46. Boycott Albertson's then...

She is their #1 spokesperson. I hear her insipid ads on the radio, as I don't watch broadcast TV. I always wondered who the hell she was.. as I have never watched that show. Frankly, her ads make me want to shop there less. So, put your money where your mouths are, and stop giving money to ALbertsons (by the way, they are the most expensive chain market in most areas).

[LynneSin]

68. BTW, in the Philly region that grocery store would be ACME

ANd yes, I've boycotted them. I live within equal distance of both Shop-Rite and Acme and usually vary my shopping location because they both have good qualities about them. However, because of Patricia Heaton, I refuse to shop at Acme again. Shop-rite stores are just as good and according to Buyblue.org they are actually a good blue store to boot!

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. She's been on my shitlist ever since she

spoke out about the Schiavo case. My list gets longer everyday. :)

[The Great Deceiver]

67. That site just tested my

gag reflex. It's working just fine. :puke:

[stpalm]

81. Is this the woman on "Everybody Loves Raymond"?

I always disliked that whole show.

[noiretextatique]

84. yes, that's her...and the show sucked eom

[KharmaTrain]

85. Heaton Made Us Dominick's Customers

My wife and I detest "Bitchy-Poo"...and her cutesy commericials for the Albertsons chain. Running through the food store like some Princess with the male "help" falling all over themselves to help her and looking totally demasculated. My wife laughs this isn't the Jewel she used to shop at...if she ever needed help it was "I dunno" or "It's over there somewhere (pointing at the entire store)."

We buy Blue here and any wingnut spokesperson or endorsement of the Repugnican party will keep my money far, far away from those places. Jewel and Albertsons is on that list. I've mailed Albertsons several times to express our dismay at their choice of a "polarizing, partisan" spokesperson and if this is who you're catering to, you surely don't need our $150 to $200 a week in purchases.

[lies and propaganda]

93. The name confuses me?

Are they just trying to say that they are the 'real' feminists who are anti abortion and whatever else an anti feminist woman might feel. That they are truly the people who care about women, not those icky 'feminazis'?

Just seems like there were better names available.
Everybody Loves Rich, Glib Bitches, maybe?

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94. they are liars, basically

the name of their group is a cover to mask their anti-abortion agenda.
their trademark catchphrase "women deserve better" is little more than an advertising campaign...nothing more, actually.
they don't even try to hide it...it's right here on their website.
http://www.womendeservebetter.com/ads/index.htm#WDBads

i've really tried to find something of substance these folks are doing, but i can't find a thing...and certainly nothing that is even remotely "feminist."

FFL is nothing but a PR campaign for the anti-abortion movement that is co-opting the word "feminist" to appeal to young women.