CIA Panel is on!

[BlueWolff]

Here is the link to stream on C-Span 3

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[babylonsister]

1. Thank you! nt

[Ivote]

2. Thank You Thank You Thank You

Taping it now
:kick:

[berner59]

7. Doesn't seem like a basement...

Just changed my cable to include more so I now get this station!!! Dorgan is great - very calm and intelligent...hope this gets some coverage...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

3. Thanks! Watching it now. n/t

[The Witch]

4. is this the official live discussion thread?

if not can you provide a link?

[jn2375]

8. Lets make it one!

[BlueWolff]

5. Dorgan is kicking the WH butt now!!!

Go Byron

[lala_rawraw]

6. Reporting for duty

as a citizen who is fucking pissed:)

[The Witch]

9. I heart Chuckie Schumer.

Him and Nadler are my New Yawk Accent-toting honies. :loveya:

[BlueWolff]

13. I love Jerry

He kicks it ALWAYS!!

[Glenda]

10. Thanks for the link!

:kick:

[movie_girl99]

11. thanks!! watching now n/t

[BlueWolff]

12. Schumer on now

He seems to growing them these days!!

[jojo54]

14. The statement here is that the CIA asked for this panel to meet.

IMHO, that says a lot and B*shco should realize by now, that they're in deep doo-doo.

[BlueWolff]

16. The Chimp and Rover

Have been trying to tear the agency apart...Now they are getting theirs...HAHAHAHAHA

[jn2375]

15. Schumer doing a good job explaining the importance of it

[jn2375]

17. Schumer making the GOP talking points sound childish

[jn2375]

19. Anyone know if CNN or MSNBC is covering this?

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. I really doubt it, but

C-SPAN 1 or 2 will probably replay it tonight or tomorrow.

[jojo54]

24. No

Just checked CNN, MSNBC, C-SPAN 1 & 2. No one else is carrying it, althoug I'm sure the MSM will take certain sound bites and spin them.

[onecent]

no they are not. They are talking about America's transit system

being in an orange alert...Amazing!

[BlueWolff]

18. ALLRIGHT Schumer KICK IT!!!!

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[rndmprsn]

20. schumer is the man!

[The Witch]

21. Waxman: This is personal because I voted for the war

kick ASS

[Glenda]

22. Waxman tying it to false war claims n/t

[BlueWolff]

25. Waxman is a terrific speaker

He is explaining the initial timeline

[jojo54]

26. I don't see how this can be ignored by the R wingnuts anymore.

There was, clearly, wrongdoing here and it's about time these freeps start believing their "supreme" :sarcasm: leader is a crook and a liar.

[BlueWolff]

28. Those Freepers will make excuses till the day

They frog march those traitors out of the WH

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. and then

it will still be Clinton's penis' fault!

[BlueWolff]

27. Chimp never responded to Waxmans letter

How dare the WH not respond to Waxman...he represents the American people especially his constituency...Just shows the Chimp and Rover et al..only care for their oil barons..GEEESHHHHHHHHHhhhhh

[babylonsister]

29. That's a long pattern w/them. Didn't respond to our 500k+

petition regarding DSM either.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Typical arrogance.

'We don't have to tell you anything...nyah, nyah, nyah. Your people didn't vote for us. nyah, nyah, nyah.'

[BlueWolff]

32. It makes my blood boil

They are just idiots!!!

[jn2375]

31. Waxman documents 11 leaks?

[BlueWolff]

33. WH has gone silent BUT NOT US!

And we never will!

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Now the WH has gone silent

and will not take any administrative action against KKKRove and Libby.

[The Witch]

35. Is he having trouble w/mic?

Or is it my headphones? I'm audio only @ work.

[Glenda]

39. trouble with mic on streaming video too

not just you

[BlueWolff]

41. Sometimes goes in and out!

[Mandate My Ass]

36. Waxman: blatant failure by WH to protect us

has obligation to take prompt action, even if negligent, pres is
required to discipline those responsible.

Pres has ignored every one of these obligations.

No accountability. Congress also refusing to do its job.

Repub congress should join us in asking questions and getting anwers

[Greybnk48]

37. thanks! n/t

[jn2375]

38. Is Joe Wilson scheduled to speak?

[BlueWolff]

47. No, just X CIA agents

I hope Rover is watching this..so he can get ready for the slammer!

[Mandate My Ass]

42. Rove and Libby refuse to come before us

but if repubs joined us they would have to come.

[Glenda]

43. Conyers up! Yay! n/y

[Glenda]

55. self delete

[gp]

44. Waxman said Wilson was ambassador to Niger?

Can anyone confirm? I don't think he was.
I've read he had been the ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé & Príncipe under George H. Bush and acting ambassador to Baghdad.

[babylonsister]

48. Gabon, not Niger, as far as I know. But Wilson had a lot

of knowledge from being the ambassador over there, which made him qualified.

[BlueWolff]

52. He spent a lot of time in Niger ove rthe years!

He also had many contacts there...He speaks flawless French and also KNOWS the way they think and behave!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. OUR HERO!!!!!! JOHN CONYERS!!!

:woohoo:

[jn2375]

46. Rep Conyers now speaking!

[Mandate My Ass]

49. Conyers

Get to the witnesses. 91 members of Congress joined on letter to the president, urging pres to require Karl come forward immediately to explain his role or resign from administration.

Five suggestions that could easily get to the bottom of this, I add this one.

[ieoeja]

149. Questioning Karl would be a HUGE mistake.

Congressional hearings into Iran-Contra is what got Poindexter and North reversals of their convictions on appeal. Congress grants immunity to those testifying before it. The appeals court was not convinced the evidence obtained independantly of the Congressional hearings was sufficient to convict Poindexter and North by itself, and so their convictions were overturned.

I would actually like to see someone do jail time for breaking the law instead of just making temporary political hay out of it. As a DU thread pointed out the other day, Iran-Contra was dropped once the perps were out of power leaving the very same players in a position to resume power 8 years later. Had Poppy Bush been convicted for his crimes in Iran-Contra (and even more important, his blatant treason during the Iranian Hostage crises), his baby wouldn't be sitting in the White House today.

[BlueWolff]

50. Conyers calls for Rover to come forward and tell all

GO CONGRESSMAN He is great!

[jojo54]

51. I can't wait to hear the CIA agents speak. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. I HOPE Larry Johnson is there!

He's pissed as hell about this because he worked with Valerie and is very close to the Wilsons.

[BlueWolff]

He is he will speak!

[jn2375]

53. Rep Louise Slaughter now speaking

[BlueWolff]

54. She is smacking the WH all over the place

WOW she is kicking it!

[jn2375]

59. Giving them a much needed black eye

[MelissaB]

66. Is it possible Bush and Chaney were involved?

Go get 'em!

[jn2375]

Hell yes

[mmonk]

58. Finally, the "T" word!

[Glenda]

61. Rep Slaughter

mentions DSM.

treason or abuse of power by admin compromises national security.

[The Witch]

60. let's go Sergeant Slaughter

hit 'em with a little of Major Pain and General Mayhem (but leave out Corporal Punishment and Private Parts!)

[jn2375]

78. I salute her

[Mandate My Ass]

57. Rep Slaughter

Most important subject which occupies most of our minds.

GWB campaigned restoring dignity to WH. However time and events have conspired to reveal a different aspect of WH. Propensity to use power for personal and political advantage. security eroded. Secrecy.

Many incidents where admin failed to take responsibility or accountability..from invasion of iraq to Gitmo. 20 federal agencies used tax money to make fake news reprots. Time and time again let off by congress. Those who ask for accountability attacked as subversive dissidents.

Blowing Plame's cover done by WH officials. Startling abuse of power which jeapardized war on Terror and placed her contacts in danger, in a reprehensible act of retaliation.

Entire intel network destroyed. Security compromised .

[BlueWolff]

65. She asked the question!!!!!

WHEN did the Chimp and Cheney find out
WERE THEY INVOLVED...YES!

[jn2375]

62. This thread should be kicked to the DU front page

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. Nominated! n/t

[babylonsister]

63. Does anyone know if other/any news agencies are present at

this hearing?

[in_cog_ni_to]

64. She has ALL the facts, timelines

this administration is TOAST!

All The President's Men?????!!!! hint, hint

[The Witch]

67. I noticed that wordplay too.

Think she was trying to do that on purpose! :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. Yeah. Sweeeeeeeeeet!

:evilgrin:

[jn2375]

73. Gross abuse of power in White House, worse then Watergate

President broke promise to fire Karl Rove, hammering it to Bush

[MelissaB]

I'd love to have a copy of her speech. Is she leaving anything out?

[countingbluecars]

68. Wow.

Slaughter asks, What did President Bush know and when did he know it?

[Mandate My Ass]

70. Slaughter - Rove discussed id with Matt Cooper

Libby discussed id with reporters. Despite info we have, many questions remain. Who else in WH had access to classified memeo?

So many had access. Incumbent on congress, prosecutor and american people to ask what did pres know and when did he know it?

could they have know about plot to seek revenge at price of national security?

could pres and vp be responsible?

Sr. WH officials blew cover. Concerns gross abuse of power inside wh walls at highest level.

Full bipartisan investigation immediately.

Real world implications worse than Watergate. Not just dirty politicis but a compromise of nat' security during time of war.

[BlueWolff]

75. OMG what a speach by Slaughter

We should all be very proud we have Dems like her!!

[leftchick]

72. president promised to fire anyone leaking

he BROKE HIS PROMISE! he redefined standard for service in this government!!

Go Louise!

[lala_rawraw]

76. All the President's men...

She worked it in!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Sydnie]

74. Thank you!

Got here just in time to hear "What did President Bush know and when did he know it". :woohoo:

[Mandate My Ass]

Pres made promise to fire anyone who leakd

pres broke that promise. One defining moment. Took an official stance. He unequivocally redefined standard of service at highest levels.

Abysmally low ethical threshold. Has to be convicted in court of law in order to be of concern to the pres.

Unchecked abuses of power. Misguided priorities. Diminished the office of presidency. Despite this, failed to receive answers. Accountability and justice have fallen by the wayside.

America deserves more than repeated, "no comment"

Valerie Plame and American public deserve bbetter.

[lala_rawraw]

79. anyone crying?

this is unreal... they are exactly tracing from war to fix etc.

[BlueWolff]

83. YEP

How can you not!

[bunny planet]

88. I am.

I have waited since November 2000 for these criminals to be called out like this in public. This is so moving.

[berner59]

85. Inslee is powerful...

He's hitting it hard!! Plus he's pretty cute and that helps...

[leftchick]

77. America demand more than "no Comment"

excellent!

[bunny planet]

80. OMG Slaughter is taking no prisoners. Simply a beautiful thing to hear.

:headbang:

[leftchick]

81. who is this fellow talking now?

:shrug:

[leftchick]

86. "Wilson stood up to Saddam and he stood up to bush"

excellent comparison....

:woohoo:

[in_cog_ni_to]

91. Jay Inslee

He was at the Conyers DSM hearing and has been spending a LOT of time on the House floor giving VERY POWERFUL speeches against KKKRove! he's been kickin' a bunch a butt lately! :bounce:

[leftchick]

99. he indeed kicks major butt!

:loveya: My new Favorite Democrat this week!

[in_cog_ni_to]

108. And damn good lookin'

to boot! :loveya: I've seen him give 2 ass kickin' speeches in the House and just SKEWERED KKKRove! He's a keeper!

[jojo54]

82. Anybody hear Inslee?

"No body died in Watergate"

WOW, what a powerful statement!!

[jojo54]

87. "Unless Joe Wilson is a polygymist,

we all know who was being talked about"

[Glenda]

89. * admin took on the wrong fellow (Joe Wilson)

he stood up to Saddam (in bringing americans out of iraq before 1st gulf war) and stands up to WH

[in_cog_ni_to]

84. Jay Inslee! LOVE, LOVE LOVE this man.

He's become a NEW outspoken Dem voice! He's ripped the administration apart on this issue! Go, Jay!

[BlueWolff]

92. WOW He said if Rover not indicted WE NEED TO CHANGE LAW

WOW

[barbaraann]

102. Inslee is outstanding.

It's too bad people outside of his district don't know more about him.

[Mandate My Ass]

90. Inslee: unless joe wilson is polygamist

no doubt who was id'd.

That dog won't hunt. Our officers covert or otherwise, deserve protection. This pres has done nothing.

His spokesperson telling flasehoods to America. We're calling for pres to start that investigation today.

May not be indictments. If pres takes position that Rove should keep his job, need to change laws.

[jn2375]

93. Larry Johnson up next to speak

[in_cog_ni_to]

94. ALRIGHT!!! Larry Johnson!

THIS is GREAT! Go, Larry!

[HeeBGBz]

95. I'm really loving this

They are scorching in their comments.

[Glenda]

96. Larry Johnson - former CIA analyst

[BlueWolff]

97. Panel who will speak

Larry Johnson
Col Patrick Lang

[jojo54]

98. Larry Johnson on. YES!!

[jn2375]

100. Robert Bauer added to speak, another former CIA overseas officer

[Mandate My Ass]

101. Johnson, former CIA counterrorism

People represented in our group, would find dems, repubs, ind, bush voters, kerry voters, crosses party lines. No basis in party politics. Intel officers deserve protection.

[Mandate My Ass]

114. Johnson: have to get beyond partisan madness . Col Lang

Dorgan: Lang has distinguished record. Special services etc. Highly decorated vet. Middle east specialist. First prof of Arabic lang at West Point. Distinguished executive award.

Lang-great pleasure to be here. I feel particularly strongly. Not on personal level. Disclosure and follow-up assault on US intel services. The prsent war, which will go on a long time, set of ideas that moves around. Enemies go into subway stations. They don't have technical signature, no overhead signature. They've gotten better at not doing things that make them vulnerable.

Need people to go after them. A peculiarity of this war. An assault on ability to do that. A case officer causes someone to trust them enough to put his life, fortune, honor in hands of case officer. US stands behind this case officer. Have done agreat deal of this in my life.

He will believe you will protect him. Extremely dangerous. Magicla moment, almost sacramental. THe kind of obligations are similar to seal of the confessional. The obligation to protect is absolute. Not just morality but practicality as well.

If a clandestine unit believe that US will not protect their confidentiality. Circle of doubt. Country that does not protect his own, they will not work for you. The more educated and capable will not work for you. Completely about trust. Kind of people who are valuable are a community of the well-informed. Situation awareness. These people pay attention to what's going on. THey know. Our former soviet opponents are good example that you have to do this right. No KGB ever gave up an agent. They would work forever to get him out. They knew recruitment would dry up and go away.

Instance like this, intell community but sponsoring country, for trivial reasons id a covert officer goes around the world like a shot. Americans cannot be trusted. Someone will give you up. So you don't do it. Jihadi groups will not trust you in this way. Possibility of penetrating this group will go down the drain and will be gone forever. Violation of trust.

[jn2375]

103. Johnson doing a super job

[MelissaB]

104. We've got to get beyond this partisan madness to realize harm was done.

[in_cog_ni_to]

105. OMG...the Bush cabal is DEAD MEAT!

They took on the WRONG people when they decided to out Plame!

[BlueWolff]

106. DEAD and ROTTING

[MelissaB]

107. These are intelligent and pissed people.

[babylonsister]

111. Iti's a beautiful thing, isn't it. And

about time! :applause:

[HeeBGBz]

112. So it seems

Lots of pissed off people in the intelligence community.

[rodeodance]

158. the STINK is unbearable.

[Glenda]

109. Col Patrick Lang

Dealing with terrorist issues requires different kind of intelligence.

"Clandestine intelligence" Requires others to develop trust with the covert agent. Agent has obligation to protect their contacts then.

If agents can't depend on their superiors ... don't protect its own... don't protect foreign assets

This is all completely about trust

[jn2375]

110. Col Lang speaking now, its all about trust, case officers must believe

their superiors will protect them.

[berner59]

120. Johnson calling Bush & Co...Bullies!!!!

Yeah - go!!! He's explaining the history of his & Plame's career...

He's pissed!!! Oh please, some MSM pick this up!!!

[katinmn]

113. Col. Lang: the outing has caused "structural damage"

to the intelligence system.

Case officers, esp foriegn agents, have to believe superiors will protect their identities, protect their lives.

"An instance like this (outing)....goes around the world."

"The Americans can't be trusted. The Americans can't be trusted."

"This was a violation of trust."

[MelissaB]

115. Larry Johnson: I wouldn't be here if Pres. Bush had done his job...

[MelissaB]

124. They were undercover in class and he only knew her last initial.

You are undercover and that's a protected identity.

[jn2375]

116. Col Langley, Americans can't be trusted, violation of trust by outing

CIA officer

[in_cog_ni_to]

117. Larry Johnson...PISSED AS HELL about this!

He has been a TIRELESS fighter in this.

[BlueWolff]

118. Group of BULLIES

YES...and cowards headed by the Chimp and Rover!!

[jn2375]

119. Johnson calling Republicans BULLIES!!!!!!!!! HA HA

[jojo54]

123. I was standing in front of the TV yelling,

"Say it Larry. Say the "T" word." But he didn't.

[wryter2000]

121. I love Larry Johnson

:loveya:

[Glenda]

122. Wow! Even CIA agents didn't know each others last name

Larry only knew her as "Valerie P"

That's how top secret things are.

[babylonsister]

127. Wee correction...'were'. Boy, they messed up big time!

[cal04]

125. Johnson defending Valerie. Good for him

the day I walked out the door my cover was lifted

[jojo54]

126. Time for thread #2.............

who wants to do it?

[Glenda]

132. you start it, and give us the link

[MelissaB]

128. Calling them on LIES! Even calling their names...Hatch...

[jn2375]

129. Johnson naming Republicans as being liers!!!!!!!!!!

[Mandate My Ass]

130. Johnson

I wouldn't be here if pres had done what he was supposed to and if he had upheld his oath to defend the consitution, delivered a stern warning to lay off and stop the attacks. Instead what we have seen is malicious disingenous smear campaigns. Wilson can defend himself but VP is unable to speak out publicly and correct the record.

When I see a group of men ganing up on a woman, that is a group of boys. Was classmates with Val Plame, from the day we walked in the door we were undercover. When her name was released, I only knew her as Valerie P. Even internally we were told to limit ID in order to protect our id. That's how serious it was.

col Lang noted, when you breach that trust, first time in US history a political operative leaked the name of covert officer for petty differences. Terrific damage to the United states.

Wilson and Plame did not ask me, but I value what she has done for this country. Moved to NOC, regardless you are undercover. When I left CIA, my cover was lifted. I was sitting at a desk but release of my name would have been breach. When she went to NOC, you do not have protection of US. But if caught, could be executed. No protection under Geneva Conv.

Lie I want to put to bed. RNC pepreptuating a lie. Even Hatch insists this is of no consequence. I will not stand for any official to launch unwarratned attacks and mislead the public.

[in_cog_ni_to]

135. WOW! You're GOOD! Great transcription!

:hi:

[MelissaB]

138. I agree! Excellent work!

Thanks!

[in_cog_ni_to]

131. BlueWolff?? Start New thread? n/t

[BlueWolff]

139. How do I do that?

Excuse mu ignorance!

[countingbluecars]

133. "RNC perpetuating a lie"

Go Larry Johnson!

[MelissaB]

137. and he's pointing them out and calling some names!

Damn, he's good!

Going into details about the spin from Repubs...

[jn2375]

134. Calling them gross idiots

[jn2375]

136. Debunking the Plame sent Wilson to Niger now

Boy he is PISSED

[Skidmore]

140. Who wrote the memo as manager to Plame?

Right now I'm thinking that Tenet needs to be grilled--until crispy.

[cal04]

144. I think he has a lot more to do with this than we know. Who was

giving out all this information to these people. I think it had to be from the inside
and let's not forget how he got a medal

[bunny planet]

141. This just gets better and better. The truth, are we not starved for it.

It feels so good to hear people telling the TRUTH.

Larry Johnson is awesome.

If the media does not cover this hearing or spins it negatively they will be complicit and it will be obvious that they are. (Hear that Dana Milbank)

[Glenda]

142. THREAD # 2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4166140

[in_cog_ni_to]

143. Johnson voted for BUSH!

OMG! hahahahahah...they can't very well go after him, can they?!!!!!

Go, Larry!

[Mandate My Ass]

145. Johnson

We are told Valerie was just a desk jockey. People on Intel comm express such gross ignorance, maybe they were asleep.

Last lie I want to put to bed. Valerie sent her husband on mission to Niger. In Feb. 2002 when she allegedly sent him, admin did not have a clear objective, it mystifies me how a low-level officer could put in place a dastardly scheme to embarrass admin year and half later. Valerie was not a manager. Process works in this way, person comes back from mission meets with officers, then director of counterproliferation. Email to Valerie said "does your husband do this?" She sent one back. Only one we know about.

SEnate Intel committee so disingenuous, she is not a manager. No authorization to send anyone. Cannot spend taxpayer dollars. Central issue, she was down in the food chain but now in the crosshairs.

Back in 2000 I voted fo GWB. I wanted a pres who knew what the meanin gof "is" was. Sick of parsing words and refusal to admit the obvious. He was going to bring new ethical standards. Now he flip flopped on promise to fire anybody impliated in the leak. Never said anything about judicial process then. We now know Rove and Libby werer involved. Instead of being concerned with protecting country, sits by while officials smear people like Plame and Wilson > He could put a stop to it. He didn't.

What the meaning of leak is. The breach of trust to people whose secrecy we agreed to protect. WH shoul dbe committed to protecting American people. Dangerous war and we cannot expend our energy attacking citizens who simply told the truth.

[bunny planet]

146. Flip-flopped!!!!!!

:woohoo:

Go Larry, go, go, go.

[maddezmom]

147. thanks for the reminder and link

:thumbsup:

[lala_rawraw]

148. I am re-reading

Johnson's statement and Slaughter's as well. wowwowowowow

[lala_rawraw]

150. Fucking evacuation false call?

[bunny planet]

151. Oh yes, Waxman mentions Condasleeza.

:woohoo:

[rodeodance]

152. Rep. Slaughter is REALLY laying it on the WH---te he

[rodeodance]

153. saying the WH in position of great power and trust and acting like kids

whow!!!!!

[rodeodance]

154. quoted Al Gore--How dare they drag our good name through the mud!!

[rodeodance]

156. saying she feels like she needs to apologize to the CIA agents -for the

WH outing an agent and putting all agents at rick!

[rodeodance]

157. gods---her quotes so need to be on the front page of ALL newspapers!

and blasted on all the networks and cables.

[sidwill]

155. Is there any MSM coverage of this event?

Is there at least some crews getting footage for stories later if not live coverage?

If the sheeple don't get to hear this in some way shape or form it will be as if it never happenned.

[rodeodance]

159. saying McCain on Hardball last night was making excuses for this behav

ior.

[rodeodance]

160. someone saying--Where are the Republicans-why are they condoning

this behavior.

[rodeodance]

162. instead of taking action--the RNC is putting out talking points against Pl

ame!!---they are not recognizing that they jeapordized nat. security.

[rodeodance]

163. I did not realize these talking points came from the RNC!!--"just a desk

job"

[immoderate]

161. "I wish a Howard Baker was there."

Devastating. These guys are calling for impeachment.

--IMM

[rodeodance]

164. msnbc is showing Jr in Atlanta next to mama Bush on Soc. Sec.

[rodeodance]

165. "just a spat between the pol. parties'--is the message the Repugs are

sending around the world says someone.

[rodeodance]

172. earlier Rep. Slaughter says that pergury charges are not enough for

the severity of this issue.

[rodeodance]

166. many on panal are ashamed of the Repugs for the inaction!!

[rodeodance]

167. saying the 'sloppiness of the RNC-apprentently they did not even read

the law"---talking of the talking points of the RNC.

[rodeodance]

168. smaking bush and condi--saying this goes back to false pretenses for

going to war!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

169. asks--how many more lives must be lost--because of this false war

[rodeodance]

170. Great--they are making the link to the false pretenses for Iraq war!!

[rodeodance]

171. "apparently not worth the Presidents time'-to ask this staff about this. W

how!!!!--what a cut!! (more than deserved).

[Glenda]

173. Here is thread #3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4166572&mesg_id=4166572