How serious are we about defeating the B.F.E.E. in 2004?

[Padraig18]

Are you:

1.) ABB!

2.) My way or the highway!

3.) I could support any nominee except (fill in the blank).

Please explain in a LUCID manner why you picked "3.)", if you did.

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[goobergunch]

1. ABB all the way!

Even Zell Miller is better than *.

[Padraig18]

3. "1.)"

We do not have the LUXURY of turning away ANY 'general' OR his army who are willing to rally to our cause--- the return of our sovereign right to self-governance! We must defeat the crypto-fascists who have seized power T-O-D-A-Y, T-O-M-O-R-R-O-W and E-V-E-R-Y D-A-Y until November 2004, or that may not BE an election in 2008!

[Padraig18]

4. Kick!

:kick:

Come ON! It's not as though it's going to take hours and hours to post a response, although it COULD cut into flaming time! :silly:

[Zuni]

5. Any one but Bush

Bush is a 'miserable failure' and anyone who has joined the fight against Bushco corruption and incompetence has my support.

Even Joe Lieberman would be a vast improvement over the gang in the WH now.

Turning away any anti-Bush people because they do not meet your ideological standards of purity smacks me of sectarian arrogance.

[Raenelle]

6. 3. Any nominee except Lieberman.

Because . . . from least to most important

His personality is almost as annoying as the Moron's

He is only moderately better than Bush, and in the area I care most about (Iraq) just as bad.

If the Dems actually nominated someone this wishy-washy, with the huge danger we are currently in, it would destroy the Democratic party.

If we actually elected someone this wishy-washy, as the left alternative, it would destroy hope that there is an alternative to the doctrines of Bushism within the electoral system. I've been through the 60's when the left wasn't the left, and I've been through 2000-2002 when the Dems all acted like Lieberman, and it leaves you with the alternative of despair or expatriation or . . . well, it's nice to have hope that voting and the whole electoral system can produce meaningful change.

[AntiCoup2K4]

7. #3

If you support the PNAC agenda, you are no better than Bush. That's what cuts Holy Joe out of my list. I'd rather have Pat Buchanan as President than a PNAC supporter of either party, because at least he's a pro-American fascist as opposed to a global fascist.

There's also questions about some of Kerry's advisers being PNACers, and Clark supposedly supporting their agenda in 2001. These things trouble me greatly.

Bottom line: These neo-con treasonous bastards have to be removed completely from our government for the good of this nation and the entire planet. Anyone who is even remotely sympathetic to their cause doesn't deserve our support.

[Terwilliger]

8. the BFEE????????????????????????????????????????????

SEN. KERRY: I believe that President Bush is a very likable fellow, and I respect—I think he’s a good man who wants to do good things.

I guess Kerry (nor many of the other Democrats) agree with your assessment of the "BFEE".

[Redleg]

9. ADBB

Any Democrat But Bush. That even includes that sad sack Lieberman.

[Eloriel]

10. With all due respect,,

your question isn't about defeating the BFEE. Your question is about defeating Shrub. He's only one small cog -- a front man, actually -- in the BFEE, which has been infecting and too often completely dominating U.S. politics, foreign affairs, etc., since even before Prescott Bush helped finance Hitler.

I don't know WHAT we're going to do about the BFEE, but unless we get very lucky, AND elect the right candidate (and Kerry isn't it), the next Dem administration will be but a pleasant respite. Last time there was a pleasant respite, they came back stronger and less honest or pincipled than ever.

Eloriel

[chookie]

13. Insightful point

I agree that it is not enough to defeat His Chimperial Highness in 2004.

What is *necessary* is to expose the radicalism -- economic, religious, judicial -- of the movement he is a part of, and to invalidate it. The USA is evolving into an authoritarian, facist state - we cannot allow this to go on. The situation is critical, and as serious as at any other time of crisis in our history.

If the radical right is not defeated as an *idea*, they will continue to be obstructionist, and sabotage any attempt at Democratic rescue efforts, let alone progress.

[Terwilliger]

14. there is no BFEE, Eloriel

Let's ask Dean if he's willing to say what Kennedy did. Let's see if Dean calls for impeachment.

You folks can talk up the hated "BFEE" all you want, but for now, all Democrats are complicit with this (so-called) "evil empire" They can bitch and complain and politic on a political level, but if they don't accuse the Bushies of being part of a "BFEE" then they're not helping to stop it.

[chookie]

11. ABB absolutamente!

Anyone who runs against Bush has my passionate support.

Kicking the bastard out of the White House HAS to be everyone's priority. I believe it is also critical for the neo-cons, corporate pirates and "Christian" extremists to be exposed, not just out of office.

Anyone who can accomplish this goal deserves our support. I feel it is a matter of national emergency.

I admire and respect all of the Democratic candidates, although my views are closers to some than to others. Any one of them would make a fine President.

Whoever it will be faces a very tough job of steering our great nation back from catastrophe -- and whoever ousts Bush will have my lifelong gratitude and respect.

[Octafish]

12. Dead Serious.

A term that only BEGINS to describe the people they front for, the Bush Family Evil Empire represents a real threat to the people and nations of the world. Killing their enemies, making war upon innocent civilians, looting the world's wealth, and plundering the world's resources, the BFEE means to enslave that part of the world's population they don't first kill. They feel the planet is theirs to plunder. And they believe it's their birthright. They don't care what you, me or anyone thinks about them. They'll do what they want. Unless good people stop them, first.



The Bush Organized Crime Family — Serving up the public since 1963

J. Edgar Hoover's Conspiracy of Silence

by Joseph C. Hinson
January 29, 2002

President Bush and John Ashcroft are teaming up to keep the secrets on J. Edgar Hoover buried. Hoover, the once esteemed director of the FBI, has come to the butt of many jokes in recent years over his sexuality as well as alleged cross dressing. These jokes, however, cover a deeper truth, that Hoover was a loose cannon, a paranoiac yielding power over presidents and attorney generals, blackmailing Kings and Kennedys.

The most recent bombshell came in the case of Joe Salvati. Salvati spent 30 years in prison for the 1965 murder of small-time Boston hoodlum Edward ''Teddy'' Deegan in Chelsea, Massachusetts. The chief witness against Salvati was a mob hitman, Joseph "the Animal" Barboza.  Salvati owed Barboza money and had indicated he had no intention of paying him. Two days before the murder, on March 10, 1965, FBI agent Paul Rico in the Boston office sent a memo to the Special Agent in Charge advising him that, according to an unidentified informant,  Deegan was going to be murdered.  The informant said the hit on Deegan had been ordered by Ray Patriarca, the top mob boss of New England, because Deegan had pulled a gun and threatened some people in a restaurant called the Ebb Tide in Revere, Mass. Deegan, according to the informant, would be set up for the hit by a "close associate."

SNIP...

The day after Deegan was shot, Agent Paul Rico sent another memo to the Special Agent in Charge with more dope from his unidentified informant. The informant, Rico reported, told him that Deegan had been hit the night before, that he had been lured to the alley by French whofired the first shot into Deegan. After French shot Deegan two men came out of a door leading from a finance company's offices. They were Ronnie Casessa and Romeo Martin who car had been spotted on the scene and at the Ebb Tide restaurant by Capt. Kozlowski. One of these men fired some additional bullets into Deegan's body. Also present at the scene, according to Rico's snitch, were Jimmy "The Bear" Flemmi and Joe "The Animal" Barboza.

A few days later, on March 19, 1965, an account of the incident was included in a memo from the Special Agent in Charge to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover. This memo included all the information listed in the above paragraphs and also went into more detail on the politics of the murder as well as the observation that Roy French fired the first shot hitting Deegan in the back of the head.

CONTINUED...

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EDIT: Removed two paragraphs I thought were part of another 'graf.

LATE MESSAGE (Thanks for the heads-up, Eloriel!): John Kerry, no matter what anybody smears, is the only candidate to have gone after the BFEE. Don't take my word for it. GOOGLE "John Kerry" and "BCCI," "Iran-Contra drugs," and/or "Ollie North" to find out more.