Must_B_Free
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:33 PM
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Could the convicted criminals in the Whitehouse be "unpardoned" |
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Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 06:34 PM by Must_B_Free
for their crimes in the scenario where it is shown thaqt they are involved in similar spirited conspiracies?
It seems unreasonable that they could be pardoned from their convictions only to go on and commit further crimes against America and democracy.
Who all are the "double dippers"? Elliot Abrams, John Negroponte? Was Bolton ever convicted of anything in Iran contra?
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:37 PM
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1. No - there is no "unpardon". |
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It is irrevocable, unless we start rewriting the constitution.
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:40 PM
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2. what if Congress agrees that * was never elected? There's no Junta pardon. |
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:45 PM
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5. Congress does not have the power |
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They can't reverse a vote of the electoral college.
If it helps, a president can't pardon himself.
Of course, he could pardon his own VP. Then he could resign five minutes before the end if his term, and the VP (acting as president) could pardon him.
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:41 PM
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3. Pardons are irreversible |
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:46 PM
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Pardons should be unconstitutional as they fly in the face of that wonderful oath of yours.....with justice for all. Pardons for some and not for others is not in sync with the pledge.
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:44 PM
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4. what I was wondering today |
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say rove goes down and the chimp pardons him.
what would stop them from calling rove in to testify under oath about everything? if he refuses, then contempt is a new crime. If he lies than conspiricy is yet another new crime.
what would make him immune from testifying and why didnt they pursue the iran/contra assholes for testimony after bush1 pardoned them?
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:52 PM
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7. I, George W. Bush, ... |
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Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 06:52 PM by SlipperySlope
I, George W. Bush, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Karl Christian Rove for all offenses against the United States which he, Karl Christian Rove, has committed or will commit at any time in the past, present, or future.
Just speculation, but I've always wondered...
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Fri Jul-22-05 06:55 PM
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8. Pardons don't last in perpetuity... they aren't... |
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... permanent get out of jail free cards. They are done for specific crimes (convicted or not). So, yeah, the scenario you present is possible. It's just not very likely, for political reasons.
Prosecutors, generally, don't want to be seen as harassing people. Go after them once and succeed, that's okay. Go after them repeatedly, and the public thinks it's a personal vendetta.
As for Iran/Contra, testimony for what? Congress had concluded its hearings and the prosecutor had tried everyone involved that investigation suggested. Now, that said, by rights, Reagan and Bush should have been impeached, but weren't. But, there's no prosecutor in this country who's going to indict a sitting President. It's up to Congress to do that, in the form of impeachment.
Cheers.
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