Breaking news man shot in london

[southernleftylady]

was NOT connected to the attacks.. and the police say "we are sorry"

[still_one]

1. link

[southernleftylady]

2. just now on cnn.. no link yet

[Nevernose]

5. Link here:

Scroll at top:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/default.stm

LBN:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1647962

[Nevernose]

3. Call me crazy, but I don't think this'll go over too well

And I was ready to give the police the benefit of the doubt.

[two gun sid]

4. What bothers me is: why would you fire a weapon point blank...

at someone with explosives strapped to them? I can't figure out what the hell kind of Deadly Force rules could be in force and what they hope to accomplish.

[Nevernose]

8. Apparently they're under orders to shoot for the head

It goes against all traditional police and military tactics, but it's the best way to kill instantly (preventing detonation) and also not shoot the explosives (preventing accidental detonation).

[two gun sid]

12. What the fuck? Shoot for the head?...

Who the hell trains for that? That is more dangerous to the general population than the goddamn suspected suicide bomber.

[Nevernose]

16. Rednecks with Osama-shaped targets train for that

The British police certainly don't train for that, nor do any other police that I know of.

[two gun sid]

19. Nobody trains for it...

My Marine Weapons School instructor would've kicked my ass up around my shoulders if I'd have tried some John Wayne shit like that. Rednecks with Osama-shaped targets don't count. The chance of them actually meeting up with any suicide bombers is pretty much nil.

[Kingshakabobo]

27. I would think anti-terrorist police would? No? If that's what they were.

For instance, don't most police snipers aim for the head?

Any way you slice it, this is f--ked up.

[Nevernose]

29. I was being flippant

Of COURSE the police aren't trained to shoot someone in the head. It would be like shooting the gun out of someone's hand on an old episode of "Bonanza" -- cool on TV, but virtually impossible in real life.

And on the subject of rednecks:
In my old home town in East Texas, on 9/12/01, every single store sold out of every single round of ammunition. The gun store, WalMart, everybody, everything. I guess they thought that Evil Arabs would be parading down small town main street at any moment. Also, at my local shooting range, the most popular target is an evil Osama head. In my earlier post I was making fun of this sort of person.

[two gun sid]

30. I knew you were...

I didn't mean to sound so strident, friend. I was agreeing with you.

[kliljedahl]

32. 5 shots from point blank range?

While you're sitting on top of him? That cop is a lousy shot.


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[helderheid]

36. I've only read on DU that the cop was on the guy when he shot him

Is there an "official" news source stating this as well?

[kliljedahl]

38. There's this

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004600000-2005330912,00.html


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[Billy Burnett]

9. If it was in NY he could've been shot 41+ times. eom

[still_one]

11. when you want security over liberty

you will never have security or liberty

we are losing it

[TahitiNut]

22. A bullet will very rarely detonate explosives.

Most contemporary explosives require detonaters. Plastic explosives used by the military can't be set off by bullets.

[two gun sid]

28. Very true. But homemade bombs are not built by ...

Military Engineers. I would think safety concerns alone would mandate that they not fire at suspects on the streets.

Does anyone know what the Israeli Rules of Engagement for suicide bombers are?

[TahitiNut]

31. The reason to go for a head shot ...

... wouldn't be to avoid detonating the explosive with the bullet, but to immediately sever the bomber's ability to trigger the detonator. Most fatal injuries still permit the victim to perform some last acts. With some exceptions, only by hitting the brain or spinal cord can such volition be short-circuited. (There are some commando-style kill points that can accomplish this as well.)

[two gun sid]

34. I can understand that but, who trains for those kinds of shots?...

I'm no expert on urban warfare but, my military training makes this seem like some really bad Deadly Force Policy. Thanks for the info.

It just sounds like the real policy is to kill anyone who happens to fit a certain racial profile. Just my opinion.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. I had a feeling that he wasn't. How very sad. n/t

[still_one]

14. It is sad, but it is much more than that

this is MURDER, cold blooded murder.

They had the guy subdued. Reports say he look petrified, like he didn't know what was happening

This is an outrage

and I won't be surprised to see many people here say, "it is understandable"

NO IT ISN'T

[Solly Mack]

7. sounds like a case of "they hate us for our freedom"

Is this really the kind of world people want to live in?
...where police gun people down because they "think" they "might" be up to something? Where people allow...that's ALLOW....fear to rule their actions?

Is it? Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?

If it is...don't cry foul when it's a loved one that's riddled with bullets because of fear taking the place of reason.

[kliljedahl]

33. The "Bush Doctrine" brought down tho street level

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[Solly Mack]

37. Exactly.

Bush is spreading death.....

[dogindia]

10. is this a different one from yesterday?

Seemed to be overreaction yesterday as they had the man pinned down....did not need to kill him.

[dogindia]

13. same as yesterday shooting it seems

[still_one]

15. wasn't an overreaction, was PURE HATE

and probably racism

[senseandsensibility]

17. Any reports of reaction from the British public?

I don't think they will tolerate this. They may have a poodle for a leader, but they aren't fully bushified yet. They still have their wits about them.

[Ariana Celeste]

18. Doubt the British are very happy about this.

Sorry is not enough. Everybody feel secure?

[Algorem]

20. They SAY he wasn't connected.Have they shown a photo of him in his

big giant huge massively suspicious coat yet?they have cameras everywhere,right?

[dogday]

21. Asian Man with no evidence of explosives on him

I had read that yesterday. They fired 5 bullets into his head.

[Kingshakabobo]

23. I knew I smelled a rat when I listened to parts of the press conferences.

They were parsing their words too frickin much.

Speaking of that, I had the displeasure of hearing that jack-ass Imus say "even if he wasn't guilty, killing this guy would show how serious we are" (or words to that effect). After I was done throwing a shoe at the TV I felt like calling him and asking if he wouldn't mind sacrificing his wife or kid for the cause. Maybe we could drag them out on the train platform and shoot them in the back of the head to show our "resolve".

edit to add: I know, I know. I listen to the prick so I can get my daily dose of aggravation early in the morning.

[southernleftylady]

24. AP link..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050723/ap_on_re_eu/britain_underground;_ylt=AinPJ94ldlkRGX39KDroZZC9Q5gv;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[sleipnir]

25. Where are the DU Police Apologists to comment on this?

Well? How do you like it now? He wasn't even involved. Maybe there is more truth to OUR claims that the police are being more and more fascist every day. In this country and beyond.

Fucking unbelievable, I hope that every one of those cops gets thrown off the force and sued to high heaven.

[ConfuZed]

35. I think we have a few above

but these undercover 'officers' hunted this poor man down and shot him to death there was no reason for doing what they did I'm quite sure their intel source is a racist or a complete idiot, from a witness they actually were on top of him when they shot him, :puke:

[baby_mouse]

26. oooooh, dear.

That's bad.

[southernleftylady]

39. a republicans responce to my "i wonder what backlash will this cause"

comment
"Maybe people will learn that you obey commands when police are pursuing you and yelling at you to "Stop". Oh, and they won't wear winter coats in the middle on Summer, especially when people are in fear of people carrying bombs on trains."