I just read about the children at Abu Gharib

[zippy890]

I hadn't known about that, did you?

What they did to the children. And taped it.

My hand goes up to stop the images, my hands cover my ears to keep from hearing the screaming, the children screaming.

I do not want to see it, I wish I had not read about it,

because it made me cry, and then anger at those who caused this to happen, anger at those in power who knew this took place and have done nothing.

So unspeakably horrible, under the American flag and in the name of God these atrocities occurred.

The sound of the children screaming.

We must force our leaders to sit and listen and watch those tapes and answer our questions and pay for their crimes,

or those screams will spread and grow louder and they will include our own.

[ScamUSA.Com]

1. you mean US issued glow sticks stuck up childrens asses?

yeah can you imagine?

[zippy890]

2. worse

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/22/20220/6952


"The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking."

[ScamUSA.Com]

3. yuck, heres another link

http://scamusa.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=350&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

[PDittie]

9. Sodomizing Children. For Freedom.

Tha's the title of the article at that kos link, for those who haven't clicked it yet.

I suppose that when you go to war based on a blanket of lies, you can justify anything, even sexually brutalizing children as the spoils of that war. What next?

What's left to rape, after we have taken Iraq's oil, her children, and the Constitution of the United States?

[PDittie]

11. And the people who need to be reading this are in church

right now. They're not going to read it in their local newspaper; they're not going to see it on FOX, they're not going to hear about it from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly on the radio.

If we don't get these fuckwads out of power, we're all going to go up in an explosion.

London and Egypt are coming here, and not too long from now.

[Kahuna]

31. But...but we were attacked on 9/11. That gives us the right to..

sodomize children over there.. so we don't have to sodomize them over here....or some such dumb bullshit the wingnuts will come up with to excuse this. :eyes:

[derby378]

33. With Karl Rove and SCOTUS on the front page, they won't have to

I still want Rove and/or Libby brought up on treason charges.

Safire just mentioned the T word on Meet the Press, BTW.

[stocksthatgoup]

4. Wow

I didn't know. But scamUSA supposedly has an inside source. Thought is that this may go to the very top.

[stocksthatgoup]

5. unbelievable............

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images: "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe.” They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.

A Republican Senator suggested the same day they contained scenes of “rape and murder.” No wonder Rumsfeld commented then, "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse."

Yesterday, news emerged that lawyers for the Pentagon had refused to cooperate with a federal judge's order to release dozens of unseen photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq by Saturday. The photos were among thousands turned over by the key “whistleblower” in the scandal, Specialist Joseph M. Darby. Just a few that were released to the press sparked the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal last year, and the video images are said to be even more shocking.

[HamdenRice]

26. Rumsfeld looked at them last night? Was he jer***g off?

He is one sick f**k, so I can't believe he has any empathy for the victims. He was probably getting a thrill, the sick bastard, sack of shit.

[mwb970]

6. Senators and other officials have seen the photos and videos.

And they say nothing. And they do nothing - other than to try to suppress the release of the evidence of the frightening monster that America has become.

Isn't it great what they are spending our tax dollars on?

[zippy890]

8. 'frightening monster that America has become'

so true

[malaise]

16. Nothing they do surprises me anymore

These are crimes against humanity - how truly evil are these men?

[rucky]

40. Dear Senators,

Knowing what you know about the atrocities at Abu Gharib, you have chosen to remain silent. Every day of silence widens the gap of trust between you and your constituents. Furthermore, if you have not yet began proceedings to pursue these war criminals at the highest levels, then you too are a party to the crime. Any American who has an inkling of what you knows of this pattern of torture would feel equally strongly about it as I do. Soon the truth will come out, and more people will ask the same questions I'm asking. Can you afford that? Could you live with doing nothing?

[Monkie]

7. this is such old news,the world thinks americans support the childrapists

nobody is actually DOING anything to stop it.
some people are doing something to stop the PICTURES.
there will be a little outrage here and there when they are released.
but will anything ACTUALLY be done?
why wait for the pictures?
A iraqi child is being raped while we wait..
Those brave american soldiers BEATING AND RAPING A CHILD infront of their parents.
but will anything ACTUALLY be done...
how many raped and beaten american children would it take for this to stop?
By the american governments logic "the world" should pre-emptively strike any american they see?Because in 45 minutes they are likely to turn into CHILDRAPISTS...
*frustrated*

[zippy890]

10. please, I have to believe that if americans knew

about this, there would be an outcry. I have to believe that, or we are truly doomed

[G_j]

14. as it is

the rest of the world knows. The impression is that the American people don't care. Add to this the fact that many in Congress have seen and done nothing and Bush's "reelection" after torture was exposed. It all reflects very poorly on Americans and their 'leaders'.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. We've known about these atrocities

since the start of the illegal invasions.

What have the majority of Americans done to stop it? They know, we've already seen enough pictures to know. What did they do to respond? They bought more ribbon magnets and re-elected George Bush. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[leesa]

35. I believe they would rationalize it, like they have every thing else, then

slap some more Support the Troops stickers on their SUV as absolution. I told my office mate that these pictures and videos were coming out soon and her immediate response was, "I won't look at them". Denial's a powerful thing.

[MountainLaurel]

46. And, don't forget

These children aren't white Christian babies, so any mistreatment of them is not as bad as if they were "our" children.

Although, considering some of the commentary and reactions we've heard after the disclosures in the Catholic molestation scandal (in which little outrage arose by official reports noting that a 6-year-old victim was acting seductive in front of the priest and thus must have deserved being raped, and you've got folks like Santorum blaming the whole shebang on liberals in Boston), sodomizing children isn't going to raise much ire.

[BeHereNow]

43. Yes, I have to believe that too-

And since we know the administration
doesn't give a crap about our soldiers
or the blowback it could create towards them,
I can only choose to think that the reason they
are in fear of releasing them is that they know
we, the people, would demand that all of them resign.

I can not for a minute think that the
American people would tolerate a second
more if they knew and saw the proof.
I have to believe that we would rally together
as a people and say NO.

BHN

[cornermouse]

12. If there is even the tiniest particle of humanity left in Rumsfeld...

"Signaling the worst revelations are yet to come, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said the additional photos show "acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman."

...he needs to stop this immediately. He says its wrong. He knows its wrong. If he hasn't already stopped it, he needs to stop it now.

[DistressedAmerican]

13. PLEASE SEE THIS REPORT! German TV On Over 100 Kids Held

at Abu Ghraib.

There are good links. If you have time check out the german ttv report. I do not speak it. But, it has some compelling imagery for sure.

http://www.endtheabuses.org/Abu-Ghraib-Children.htm

[Ficus Benjamin]

15. It is time

Dear fellow people, american, asinan, black or european...
do you not see it ?
It is time
time to stop this or perish
time to stop the slaughter of our children
time to believe in the goodness of (wo)men
time to to start living
please...
the us and the middle east have decided to show no respect toward any form of life or value
but the people of those nations have not!
it is time, to stand !!!!

[zippy890]

23. stand together

with other conscionable people around the world.

Welcome to DU:hi:

[Tsiyu]

28. Welcome to DU, Ficus Benjamin

:hi:

[Jon8503]

18. Defense Department Refuses to Turn Over Abuse Photographs; Asks to File

Secret Brief Justifying Refusal:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Contact: [e-mail]

NEW YORK -- Today was the day the government was supposed to process and redact photographs and videos relating to the abuse and torture of prisoners held abroad. Raising new arguments on the eve of its deadline, the United States government refused to release the materials to the public. The photographs and videos were to be processed for eventual release as a result of a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and other organizations.

"The government is raising newfound reasons for withholding records to which the public has an undeniable right," said Amrit Singh, a staff attorney with the ACLU. "Instead of releasing these records and holding officials accountable for detainee abuse, the government now seeks to shield itself from public scrutiny by filing these reasons in secret."

In a letter filed at the eleventh hour, the Department of Defense claims that photographs and videos of abuse that the court had previously ordered redacted for future release "could result in harm to individuals" for reasons that will be set forth in a memorandum and three declarations that the government will file under seal with the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of New York.

Under the government’s proposal, the documents explaining the government’s reasons for withholding the images of abuse will not be available to the public except in redacted form, and the photographs and videos may never be made public.


http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=1881...

[mopaul]

19. our 'leaders' don't give a damn about any kids

really, they don't.

[Auntie Bush]

20. This is sickening! I'm speechless! They'll be out for revenge for

the next 2000+ years! I hate to think how they will proceed or how many poor unfortunate souls will suffer in their hands...all because of the bastards in control of our country.

[zippy890]

21. 'Bastards' in control of our country

That is too good a word for them.

[w8liftinglady]

45. This picture kills me

[youngdem]

22. Words have escaped me..

When is something going to be done about this administration? Are people going to turn a blind eye and say that this is part of the "war" process? I am sickened and outraged.

[Smarmie Doofus]

24. Wnatch what you say now... or "moderates" like Thos. Friedman, will ....

accuse you of being "one step away" from being a terrorist yourself.

[zippy890]

25. these politicans are traitors and criminals

and have turned themselves away from the American constitutional system they get thier power from.

If it takes revolutionary actions to set this country right, then revolution it will be.

[HamdenRice]

27. Republicans are now officially the pro- Child Anal Rape Party

Hunter on Kos has an excellent rant. Like, how can republicans possibly defend this? It must mean they are pro child rape. As Hunter wrote:

In reference to a number of posts below... To be honest, I don't even care if this effort looks partisan anymore. If being anti-child-sodomy is now considered the partisan position, then I'm going to be the biggest f---ing partisan on the planet, and to Hell with anyone who isn't.

I'm tired of all of it. Just tired. I'm tired because the rest of the world has known this for a year, and we refuse to discuss it in this country. And in truth, we can't discuss it in this country without the (heavily censored) pictures, because without the pictures, the horrible, horrible actual pictures, the loathsome, brick-stupid f---ing news media doesn't see a story. And without the pictures, every bloated, pill-popping, corpse-like Rush Limbaugh clone in America will continue to claim it's all lies, all exaggerated, all phony.

[derby378]

29. As sick as this song is, we must keep reminding America...

Until they finally reach their breaking point.

And I wrote this song, so I know it's gallows humor.

So key up a karaoke version of Rawhide and sing along, though your heart breaks!

Rollin', rollin', rollin'
Keep that prisoner rollin'
'Til that towelhead's showin
No hide!

At Abu Ghraib they're dyin'
While Rumsfeld, he's denyin'
And Code Pink wants some firin'
Of his hide

But Bush got "re-elected"
The prisoners are dejected
Their fate has been selected
No hide!

Strip 'em down
Kick a butt
Stack 'em up
Crack a nut
Take a pic
Show it off
No hide!

Chain him down
To a bed
Put some panties
On his head
Rabbit punch
To the gut...
No hiiiiiiiiiiiiide!
No hiiiiiiiiiiiiide!

NO HIDE!

[Wizard777]

36. That's good in a bad kinda way. I like it.

But just one suggestion to polish off the ending.

Chain him down
To a bed
Put some panties
On his head
Rabbid bunch
At the DoD...

Toss 'em in and grind 'em up.
Don't let 'em Diiiiiiiiiiiie!
No hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!

NO HIDE!

[EFerrari]

30. "This is a tactic of terrorists. There are always complaints."

-- Donald Rumsfeld.

[meganmonkey]

34. That bastard makes me HATE

I do not like to 'hate' things or people or anything. I try to keep some shred of humanity in the picture no matter what.

But I HATE him I HATE HIM. I hate what he and this admin have done to the US and the world. And I hate that they make me HATE. I want them to rot in prison and then rot in hell for all eternity.

Deep breath......More coffee......shake it off...

:-(

[derby378]

39. It's OK to hate concepts

I hate the invasion of Iraq. I hate the Khmer Rouge atrocities at Tuol Sleng. I hate the Nazi Holocaust.

I do try, however, not to hate individuals. But it's getting hard.

[EFerrari]

44. Yes. Hatred is poisonous for the hater. Another thing

that should be laid to the Cabal's door: the trauma suffered by the American public.

[Wizard777]

32. NO NEED TO GET UPSET!

This is just President Bush Jr. at work in Abu Ghraib. Not Whacko Jacko in Neverland. Now there is something to get upset about! :grr: You see Georgie Jr. is a big boy now. He's all grown up and he can do stuff like that if he want to. Junior is just so O8)

:wow: :wtf:

[seabeyond]

37. why i dont accept peole saying i dont support the troops. i watch

the horrors on all sides. i dont want to. i do feel a responsiblity to. if i dont watch all that is happening there, how can i truly understand and know all that is happening there. yes it breaks my heart. my heart even breaks for those committing the crime. for being in a position to do this to another human being. that will haunt them for the rest of their lives, when they become aware

[yardwork]

38. Yes, I knew since last spring.

Seymour Herschfeld published articles in The New Yorker in which he described all these tapes and the rest of the Abu Ghraib evidence.

Everybody in Congress had the opportunity to view the photos and tapes!

Remember that.

[EFerrari]

47. That's right. And what has changed in more than a YEAR?

Thirty years ago, my dad said to me, "We should just fire the whole Congress and see if we can start over."

It seemed such an extreme statement at the time. I called him yesterday, and told him that now I understood and more, that I agreed with him.

What's their EXCUSE for spending our tax money on TORTURE?

[ikojo]

41. Years from now people will ask us, just as "ordinary Germans"

of a particular generation were asked, "what did YOU do to oppose George W? What did YOU do when the pictures were released?"

IMHO, "ordinary Germans" had more of an excuse than we do...we have the Internets, "ordinary Germans" during WWII had only the BBC (if they were well off enough to have a shortwave radio and regular access to electricity) and the controlled German media.

Americans CHOOSE to remain ignorant of what is being done in all of our names. It seems Americans are more concerned about Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes than they are of the daily abuse being inflicted upon the innocent citizens of a once sovereign nation.

For shame.

[MountainLaurel]

42. My sentiments exactly n/t