The fact that Robert's children are adopted makes him dead set against

[efhmc]

abortion. This seems likely to be a very strong personal issue to him and I cannot see him making decisions on a woman's right to choose based on the law but on his own feelings (and that of his wife). Even if his record did not already indicate this, I think this is a very distinct tell.

[wtmusic]

1. Not

How the hell can you assume that? This is a silly argument.

[efhmc]

5. Because people who have worked as hard as these did to have

children and do not get pregnant naturally and then adopt are always against abortion because they feel like that baby which did not get here might have been there.

[wtmusic]

9. wide net

again, this is silly. We are assuming that people who "adopt" are always against abortion? :crazy:

[efhmc]

10. If you could do me the favor of not dismissing my opinion as "silly",

not once but twice then we can have this discussion. I find that term sexist and condecending. Thanks.

[wtmusic]

19. Oh please

First of all, it is an attack on the opinion and not you. I'm sure you are a fine person.

You find the opinion "sexist"? Re-read what I wrote, and tell me what could possibly be construed that way (btw I don't know what gender you are and I don't care).

That said, I might as well be consistent. For the third time, that opinion is silly. It is based on no evidence but on preconceptions.

#4: Silly.

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. I think there is a point here

to consider. I would suspect that parents who adopt are more likely to be anti-abortion. Makes sense to me.

[mzteris]

34. HA!

I've rarely met anyone who has adopted who is "anti-abortion". Most adoptive parents I've met are pro-choice.

This is one of the arguments I make to the anti-choice crowd - when you get off your duff and start adopting these kids you insist that women have - then I MIGHT listen to you!

[unrepuke]

13. So, we're all here because we're not all there?

;-) Old joke...

[efhmc]

15. Interesting choice of words.

[Kali]

41. Bull pucky

Family friends adopted a girl then conceived 2 on their own. Through the usual circumstances growing up, one of them eventually got in trouble and needed to be taken to another state for an abortion as a teen. (this was back in the old days and is admittedly anecdotal but my point is folks who adopt aren't any more likely to be against abortion or not - anybody with compassion for a girl or woman's life would favor safe legal abortion, only controlling busybodies - who usually have NO interest in those fetuses once they're born - are in favor of returning to the days of dead poor women and "free choice" for the rich only.

Making abortion illegal stops NOTHING except women's lives.

[Yupster]

28. Wouldn't the opposite be more likely?

The fact that they adopted means they are likely pro-choice because Anti-Choicers "Love the Fetus but Hate the Child."

[mzteris]

2. ummmmmmm.........

I don't think you can make that generalization. I adopted and I'm pro-choice.

I think they're just very anti-abortion.

[SmokingJacket]

3. That might be true in his case, but it's hardly true of everyone who

adopts. I mean, just thinking of the people I know who've adopted.

I'd pay more attention to what he's said on the subject, and that's revealing enough.

[eleny]

4. He's a right wing wet dream

[Solly Mack]

6. I'm non-compromisingly pro-choice and I'm a huge supporter of adoption

[efhmc]

8. Those are 2 different things. I am the same as you. I am talking about

people who go through the life experience they went through to have children.

[Solly Mack]

11. I went through those things

and am in the process of adopting. I tried for years.

I remain pro-choice.


While I do know of people who have turned bitter and ugly because of that experience, it just isn't true of all of us.

[efhmc]

14. You, however, are a liberal and a strong believer in choice in most

things, I would bet. Which is why you will be a great parent. (Good luck, by the way.)

[Solly Mack]

17. I agree that it could be part of his reasoning for being anti-choice

it's very possible.


but I don't know what his personal reasons are for being anti-choice....can't say that I care what they are either. :)

He's against choice and that says it all to me.

[efhmc]

20. Well, you are closer to this than I. I do agree that the reason does not

matter for his being anti-choice. It could be something else entirely but I bet this experience had a great deal to do with it and not just the usual male dominance thing.

[mikehiggins]

7. Of course it could be they have trouble conceiving themselves

That isn't unheard of, you know. Don't build a damning case against the guy because there are two children who now have a family who might not ever have had one otherwise.

We'll look real strong knocking Roberts for that one.

[CatWoman]

12. because he shoots blanks?

:shrug:

[efhmc]

18. I find it interesting that they adopted 2 perfect little white replicas of

themselves. Where are the babies that actually needed them, not these 2 specimen who would be fought over anywhere?

[seriousstan]

21. So these 2 white babies should have been raised by wolves?

How many of the "needy" have you adopted?

[efhmc]

24. Here is the difference I believe STRONGLY in abortions rights.

Go to any newspaper and you will see hundreds of ads for white children. Very few if any for special needs, children of color, etc. I worked for years with families in need and saw the devastation, crime, neglect, torture, that happened in families where children were not wanted and this was in a time when abortion was legal. Most of these children were brought into this world because of male dominance in the family and church dictates. Wonder what will happen when the rw gets it way and even more children are born when they are not wanted.

[seriousstan]

44. Perhaps people who sit in front of computers and complain

will have to get off their hypocritical asses and practice what they preach.

[gardenista]

25. Thank you!!! God, this whole thing is making me absolutely fucking sick!

[China_cat]

32. Why did he have to go out of the country

to find those that would fit his view of 'proper'?

And did they adopt or did they buy?

[mzteris]

35. exactly----

what I've been thinking!

[seriousstan]

43. I am sure the children ( rememeber them?) don't ask such stupid questions.

Again.....how many of the "needy" children have you adopted?

[China_cat]

45. None. I am not eligible due to my health.

However, I do work with mentoring programs, Girl Scouts, and other enrichment programs here in the shelter for abused, abandoned and foster children so I suppose I have come into contact with several thousand over the last 35 years.

[noamnety]

16. I would like to think we can all agree

that whether or not Roberts will make a horrifying Supreme Court justice, it's commendable that his family chose to provide a home for children that needed one.

[creeksneakers2]

22. His wife chose to have a career first

By the time she chose motherhood she was already in her forties. That's something the left has always wanted women to be able to do without stigma. By the times she was ready for motherhood, adoption was the best option available. I think they made a wonderful choice and I hope objections to Roberts as a nominee don't get ugly.

[efhmc]

26. Get ugly as in we think his personal politics and opinions do matter

and should be discussed?

[creeksneakers2]

29. If we discuss his personal opinions we should know something

about them and not just decide he has the opinions we expect him to have. Mrs. Roberts is far more complex. She's a feminist. The focus of her pro life efforts have been on creating alternatives for women facing unwanted pregnancies. That's something the left has supported too, as it offers women more, not fewer, choices.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/23/politics/politicsspecial1/23jane.html?

[efhmc]

30. So is that "getting" ugly. His wife is not a feminist.

[Lars39]

31. She IS NOT a feminist.

[gardenista]

27. And by your logic, women who have abortions are dead set against children

This is a nowhere argument.

He and his wife adopted children because they had fertility problems, and could not have their own.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with his views on abortion.

[I Know How To Do it]

33. I'd say Roberts is more pro - "Village of the Damned."

[Tommymac]

36. I have seen you ref this in several threads...

I don't understand. Can you explain your allusion? Thanks!

[I Know How To Do it]

46. Sure Man. But I only said this in two threads. It's a 60's

movie
http://imdb.com/title/tt0054443/

The picture isn' the best.

But here's a better collection using GIS.

http://images.google.com/images?q=village+of+the+damned&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

[Tommymac]

49. Thanks!

I do remember it...it was a book too, I believe...read it when I was a wee thing...boy, that was a long time ago!

I'll have to put it on my re-read list. :)

[Rainscents]

37. I don't agree... My parents adopted 19 kids and they're staunch Democrats!

[carpetbagger]

38. I was adopted. My republican parents and I are/were pro-choice.

My republican sister is pro-choice as well.

[Rainscents]

39. All my siblings are staunch Democrats!!! All 21 of us + my parents=23

We all staunch Democrats!!!

[niceypoo]

40. Anybody Bush picks will have one goal.....

Killing Roe v Wade. Don't fool yourselves into thinking otherwise.

[dsc]

42. This is just plain bigotry

nothing more and nothing less. Replace childless, which is really what you are saying here, with say Asian or Jew or African American, and you would be called the bigot you are being. Imparting beliefs and not only that but bitter motives for those beliefs based on nothing more than the fact they are evidently incapable of having children is no less bigotted than the oponents of Justice Marshall who felt he was not qualified due to being black. Shame on you.

On edit One of my favorit aunts, actually my mother's aunt, was childless due to some medical condition and it was amazing the idiotic things that were said about and to her. Of course, this is while I was growing up in a small town in the unenlightened 60's and 70's. I had hoped that crap died out.

[jmm]

47. If his views on abortion and adoption were connected then

wouldn't they have adopted without going through years of infertility treatment first?

[El Fuego]

48. I know people who are desperate for children.

Both male and female, and they are strongly anti-abortion. And their "Pro-life" stance stems only from their mindset that pregnancy is the most sacred thing in the world, since it is something they can't obtain. They're obsessed with having children, so it's unthinkable to them someone would terminate a pregnancy.

I totally agree with you. That type won't be able to check their personal emotional issues at the door.