Beware! "Rape Pits" may become the "Evidence" that supports Iraq Invasion!

[KoKo]

In Bush's speech to the UN this week he veered off into an incredible diatribe against what had been found in Iraq which proved why we needed to Invade and Liberate. The words "Rape Pits" and "Torture Chambers" were used which are words that cause even the most hardened or cynical Bush Watcher to sit up more sharply and then cringe.

Today in the broadcase of his press conference with Russia's Putin he again mentioned "Rape Pits and Torture Chambers."
His use of this twice in one week when the reports are that no evidence of WMC/Chem/Bio have been found in Iraq, leads me to believe that what might be coming very soon are pictures of "Torture Chambers with graphic depicticions and descriptions of impliments of what went on in the "Rape Pits." The look on Bush's face every time he mentioned those words....is very odd....almost as if he's relishing the words as he speaks them.....anticipating.......

I could be wrong......but it's just too clear a signal. He's got to come up with something soon......and what he's talking about would not be so hard to find ...(given that one of Saddam's sons is reported to have had some strange habits) as finding the WMD/CHEM/BIO that were supposed to be there.

I wonder if outrage over the new evidence will be enough to turn the tide of public approval back in his direction. If it's what I think.....the evidence will be all over the cables night and day.....and female and male sexual brutality is something folks get pretty upset about.....and rightly so.......

On Edit: What I'm trying to say is that he will make it seem that Iraq was equal to Nazi Germany in it's vile treatment of Jews and others in the Concentration Camps. He will say millions were raped and tortured and make the comparison.

[Andy_Stephenson]

1. Divert attention away from yourself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=392459&mesg_id=392459

[KoKo]

6. GBNC, I couldn't download your links....but I read the articles when they

were posted.....and it's indeed horrible. But, for Bush to base the Invasion of Iraq on what he will say he found there......does bear some stretching of evidence in changing his reason from WMD/C/B to torture and sexual abuse.

[Andy_Stephenson]

Mom always told me to sweep my doorstep

before someone elses.

[acmavm]

2. So this type of brutality only happened in Iraq? It isn't going on now

in Africa, Afganistan, and other places? And this is going to be the new justification of killing thousands of innocent people. I don't think so, because it just won't fly. Not with anyone with two working brain cells.

[LizW]

9. Maybe we should bomb our Air Force Academy

I'm just saying.:evilgrin:

[Ilsa]

39. Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! HAHAHAHA!

Good one.
Hey, I can laugh if I want to. I'm a recovered rape victim.

[KoKo]

43. It's "gallows humor" but very funny LizW! Thanks!

Dark.....humor....but hey when things are this bad...we need an "ironic laugh"....

[graham67]

3. Maybe someone can explain....

what is a "rape pit"? Torture chamber, now that one is easy enough.... ;)

[patdem]

4. We got 'rape pits' in this country...called Prisons

be it a Women's prison or a Man's prison...those are rape pits...sorry...bush* needs to look at the mote in his eye...what ever a mote is...I personally think it is a railroad tie???

[Must_B_Free]

5. try high school locker rooms

heard on fox they were sticking
- mop handle with icy hot
- pinecone
up peoples butt for fottball team hazing

[barbaraann]

10. I just posted the same thing.

I wish politicians would pay more attention to the lives of teenagers in this country.

[thebigidea]

12. there was a broomstick incident at my HS in NJ years back

it was quickly hushed up, and the haz-ee was transferred to a different school. No punishment for the team.

If I was the "I" I am now, I would've been calling the press ASAP.

[buff2]

30. What is fottball?

Is that a new game or did you mean football?

[Must_B_Free]

31. it's football

with a broom handle up your butt because you threw an interception.

[KoKo]

38. No! It's NOT FOOTBALL....This would be Bush portraying it as MASSIVE SCALE

RAPE PITS.....with GRAPHIC NATIONAL ENQUIRER GRAPHICS and "Torture Chambers" WITH MANACLES AND STRETCHING MACHINES OUT OF THE "MIDDLE AGES!"

We might have thought those Pic's of the Hussein Children were off the wall in graphics (photo's of Uday and Quasay) strapped to those marble morgue tables with their wounds stictched and their waxen faces.....but this could be massive photo's of stuff that would make us all be "Stomping with Joy that we OUSTED SADDAM!"

OMG.....this "DEPRAVED MONSTER" did these horrible things to his own people! It's like HITLER, HITLER, HITLER!

Thank God Almighty.....that we took that POS out of that Country so that these people won't be subjected to those "RAPE PITS & TORTUE CHAMBERS!

OMG WE DID THE HUMANITARIAN THING!!!!!!

[Must_B_Free]

50. Pattern of deception

Bush Sr. pulled the same stunt with Manuel Noriega, rememebr they found his kiddie porn collection and voodoo shrine?

[barbaraann]

7. It couldn't be any worse than some of the hazing in our high schools.

Apparently boys are being sodomized with all sorts of things to increase "school spirit."

[lcordero]

8. yet again, nothing but lipservice

ask Bushler* about his dear friend, Lawrence E. King Jr.

[Andy_Stephenson]

11. Lawrence who???

just like

"Ken who?"

[salin]

13. Re his facial expressions

while saying this (I didn't see it but take your word for it). Mark Crispen Miller noted that Bush's speech tends to become clear (less slurred), more selfassured and comfortable - when he is describing things that cause pain to others. As if he is secretly sadistic. Might that fit with what you note?

[KoKo]

20. Yes....that's what I saw....and I've seen it whenever he talks about

a subject that has to do with human cruelty. His whole face changes....and he focuses.....barely supressing a smirk. It's really creepy....

[Solomon]

51. I noticed that too. He can wag his finger and threaten with the best

of them. He's very comfortable with that. "Bring 'em on."

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. Unless there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in these "rape pits"

... they still lied.

[KoKo]

22. He may be trying to go for the Nazi Germany outrage......remember he

visited one of the Nazi Concentration camps last year.....and there were comments that he had an odd reaction (there were posts on DU about his reaction) and this may have stuck in his mind.

Try to equate Iraq with the Murdering of the Millions of Jews and others in Nazi Germany. I think he's lowdown enough to do that. Or, Rove or Rummy are!

[Fridays Child]

15. It's those durn subliminable duhzsars cropping up again.

He should take a moment and go torture himself in the "George 'n' Laura Rape Pit," just to clear his head.

[gristy]

16. As Paul Krugman said in his talk at Berkeley yesterday,

the BFEE's ever-changing justification for the war in Iraq reveals clearly that the real reason is not being stated.

[KoKo]

44. Yes....gristy......they keep moving the bar....changing the rules for war!

how low can they go....that's what I'm thinking..... They are desperate.....so the reason we went to war.....is up for whatever they can think of...and if it's sensational...so much the better.

Hey the O.J. trial got huge ratings....they are looking for a BIG NUMBER... Whatever sells the public is #1!

[wryter2000]

17. It might give him a bounce

I think it might give him a temporary bounce. Remember when all the RW-ers discovered the Taliban was mean to women? But, in the long run, that isn't going to save his sorry ass.

[KoKo]

41. That's what scares me....This could give him that Bounce..and bring folks

into thinking that this was so dreadful it's WORSE than WMD/CHEM/BIO....and INDEED is JUSTIFICATION for the Iraq Invasion. Remember he always said that Saddam "is a Murderer and a Torturer...and we are bringing him to justice." What he forgot was.....most Americans feel "justice" is the court......and Bush feels "justice" is a "Bounty on your head.....Wanted! Dead or Alive!"

Justice to Bush....is a bullet in your head! :-(......Not what I was taught about American Justice when I was in school.........but HEY! Times have changed.....since 9/11......What the Hell! Anything Goes!

"Bring 'em ON!"

[leesa]

18. The crimes of a handful of people can't possibly justify an invasion

of a country. It won't work. It WILL work with the usual dittoheads because we are constantly having to pay for their deep-seated sexual and aggression problems, but it won't work with anyone else.
The only reason they pulled off the immoral carpet bombing of Afghanistan was because people were too much in shock to think and the Crime Family and Congress took advantage of that.

[chookie]

19. Classic Rovian Strategy

His Chimperial Highness is attempting to manipulation public opinion by pretending to steal progressive ideas at election time, because it works so well with the people who don't pay attention and don't know what really has been going on.

He is attempting to be the Black Man's candidate by railing on about slavery, and proclaiming the immense talents of Condi Rice (even though she is hopelessly incompetent. Message: Bush is better for blacks. (I predict that if he really tanks in the polls, he will drop Cheney and will make Condi his VP running mate in the most cynical ploy imaginable, so people will, theoretically, rally behind The First Black Woman VP).

So now, raising the Rape issue, he's trying to show how he is the Woman's Candidate, who is Compassionate About Women's Issues. Not like those Democrats -- and gee, don't a lot of Democrats already say that the Party doesn't support blacks and women as they should?

Watch for more of this. The guy who motto seems to be "Who do you trust -- me, or your own eyes?" is just going to pile it on higher and deeper in 2004, and anyone who is not expecting this and preparing to confront it is not real smart.

[loyalsister]

42. Exactly

The war may have been based on lies, but in the end Bush is a "hero" because he ultimately rescued millions from a horrible fate. Once again, he slides. His "hero" status gives him a free pass on the obnoxious comments like "bring 'em on" because a hero often will act audacious and arrogant.
Rove's genius has been in creating Bush's image then filling in illusory details he can play with. This another attempt. I'm not sure what to think about the odds of it working.

[greyl]

21. Please don't support the shoddy logic of the repug marketers.

I realize you put certain words in quotes, but damn, I think you could have framed it more effectively.

[KoKo]

23. those are Bush's words in quotes......not mine.

Straight from the Chimp's mouth.

[greyl]

29. He said "evidence" to support the war? nt

[KoKo]

37. Loony Tunes! LOL's..........

n/t

[kayleybeth]

24. Don't forget the MASS GRAVES

That seems to be a Repuke talking point. They fail to mention, however, that many of the people in those mass graves died as the U.S. military stood by and watched and did nothing, after encouraging them to rise up against Saddam.

[Gin]

25. Poor, patehtic, cowardly, juvenile, pickpocket George.....is grasping

at straws on the way down. Cya bonzo.

[OneTwentyoNine]

33. Yep,encouraged by Bush #1

Amazing how that fact NEVER gets brought up by the Whoring Media when they pound away on the MASS GRAVE talking point.

Hell,maybe they don't even know,I wonder if they actually research or just take their marching orders directly from Rove.

David

[bvar22]

26. How dare Saddam rape, torture, and murder Iraqis.

Doesn't he know that is OUR job????

Does anyone else have a problem with killing over 40,000 Iraqis, and maiming over 100,000 Iraqis for humanitarian reasons???

[oneighty]

28. Yeah

but that does not hurt like rape and torture.

180

[Nobody]

27. Have we ever gone to war for humanitarian reasons?

Even WWII with the Holocaust and concentration camps and the attempted wiping out an entire group of people, we did not get involved until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

We knew about what the Taliban was doing to women in Afghanistan for years before we attacked them, and we only attacked them because Mullah Omar allowed a safe haven for members of al Qaeda.

Iraq: It's the oil.

I might support a war for humaitarian reasons, but only if we the people are dealt with honestly and the oppressed people want us to boot out the oppressors for them.

He lied about everything and finding evidence of human cruelty isn't good enough. We knew it was happening BEFORE we went in and the Wannabe Warhero never said a single word about it.

[OneTwentyoNine]

32. Or was it rape chambers and torture pits??

Who knows from that Coked up fucker. Its all bullshit,but Chimpboy keeps spinning away hoping against all odds that the World will see his invasion as a just cause.

David

[Toby109]

34. That's like the cops

breaking down a door, killing everyone inside(except the perp), and fabricating evidence. Bullshit.

[maxanne]

35. another lie

like the throwing babies from the incubators stories.

[elfin]

36. Think you are right----

Sex Sells - especially if you cannot find any other reason for your actions. This just might work for that @#$%$.

[SoCalDem]

40. Rape Pits???? are they anywhere near the "Baby Incubators"??

Why do all their "excuses" sound the same???...Lame !!

[populistmom]

45. What's he going to do about rape in America?

He wasn't elected Iraq president, but he was (sort of) elected ours. According to NOW:
"Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once."

I guess rape is only wrong when committed by non-American men.

[AliceWonderland]

46. Oh for crying out loud

Didn't we go through this ENDLESSLY back through the winter and into the spring? And now that simian sock-puppet is doing it again? The endless threads with "Saddam is a very very bad man, he tortures people!" and having to explain over and over again that if you want to address issues of rape, torture, poverty, and structural violence, there are ways to do it. Hypocritical PNAC wars to build the Empire are not ways to do it. As ongoing structural violence in Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrates. Surely no one is buying this? Even the knuckle draggers watching Fox? Oh, what a stupid question. Of course they are.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. Short. Sweet. True.

To borrow a phrase from your namesake in order to address the simian sock puppet: "Eat me."

[ewagner]

48. I think you're on to something.....

Reason #1:

The look on Bush's face every time he mentioned those words....is very odd....almost as if he's relishing the words as he speaks them.....anticipating.......
Absolutely correct...he does get that self-assured smirk on his face when he's got an ace up his sleeve.

Reason #2:

The near unanamous opinion of everyone here at DU after the UN speech was a resounding :wtf:!?

I concurred with others that this wasn't stupidity, it was done on purpose and we would have to wait to see exactly what that purpose was.

[Arianrhod]

49. When * rescinds the international gag rule

on women's health; stops nominating misogynist, anti-women's rights judges; ceases his attempts to declare a fetus a legal citizen; and stops coddling terrorists who target women's clinics; then and only then will I begin to accept any statement from him regarding his "concern" for Iraqi women.