Did you see John Mc Cain today on "This Week"?

[Bullwinkle925]

My opinion of this guy is really dropping quickly. I wish he would show the same courage to the Bush WH as he did to the Viet Cong. I just have a difficult time understanding the mind-set that is going on with him now. I suppose when you do get to Washington it does steal your soul in dribs and drabs.

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[Bullwinkle925]

2. Very, very sad indeed.

How the mighty have fallen.

[Lannes]

3. He wont speak out until he is sure that Bush is toast.

Thats his style.

[Bullwinkle925]

5. I've heard rumors of a McCain/Bush ticket for '08. (jeb, that is)

hope not

[Lannes]

7. That would be scary

I just hope that there is so much of a taint from his brother by the time he leaves office that noone will want to have anything to do with this traitorous family ever again.

[bunkerbuster1]

16. And in '09, McCain develops a mysterious ailment...

Honestly, I wouldn't give the Senator more than eight months to live if he were elected with that ratfucking crime boss on the ticket with him.

[Lex]

8. Yep.

You hit the nail on the head with that observation.

[AlCzervik]

4. i'm sure it was painful when he had is sense of shame removed.

[Quakerfriend]

6. Yes, how sad.

He used to be one of my favorites, back when he was a Prez. candidate. He has become really pathetic. Does he think people forget the 'straight talker' who railed against W for his idiotic tax plan that would wipe away the surplus and bankrupt the country (and of course, it did)??

[Bullwinkle925]

10. Yes - it's as if we're seeing a real-life version of

"Invasion of the Body-Snatchers" only this time the aliens are the WH crowd, and what was snatched was McCain's soul.

[Upfront]

9. Bought

and paid for, like most of them.

[KerryOn]

11. I don't have a heard time understanding his mind set at all....

I use to think a lot of him, but it became very obvious to me that he is just like all the other Repblicans in office.

He is in love with his self and only cares about his self. It is very obvious that he will only say, agree or disagree with things that support HIS interest in politics period.

So I dont have a hard time understanding his mind set because all the other Republicas in office are the same.

[Bullwinkle925]

12. I have a difficult time trying to think about the 'moment' when a person

actually makes the decision to leave his/her beliefs and 'sell out'.
I would not be able to look myself in the mirror. If someone trashed me or my family the way Karl Rove did to McCain, I could NEVER do anything that BushCo asked of me. NEVER.

[G_j]

14. unlike some, I don't see a big "change"

this is the man who continued to use the word "Gook" with no apologies.
I first became aware of his politics in the eighties when I was working on Native American rights issues and he was no friend to the indians! He remains a creep today.

[Bullwinkle925]

17. Good point!!

I am a member of the Viet Nam generation, and, unfortunately - bitter slang words were used for the enemy, just as in WWI and WWII. It really shows the nasty side of humanity when we sink to that level.
Myself, I didn't warm to the word gook - Viet Cong was what I thought about when I focused on the 'war' and thought about my friends who were there fighting.

BTW - what did you do for the Native American rights issues?
I haven't heard much from the Native American community regarding the Iraq issue - have you? I would love to hear them speak out.

edited for typo

[G_j]

18. I was lobbying for the end of the forceful relocation of Navajo

from their homes in the four corners area, generally referred to as the "Big Mountain" movement.

It was a very complex and confusing situation (no accident)
But it really boiled down to energy interests (mainly Peabody Coal) and the US government playing the Hopi against the Navajo in a supposed "land dispute". I wrote McCain many times about this issue. He was always on the 'other' side.

As far as Native Americans and Iraq, my contact is a lot more infrequent, but I haven't heard anyone say it was the right thing to do and some say it was a crime. Many Indians have proudly served in the military, so support of the soldiers themselves is usually pretty solid.

[Bullwinkle925]

21. I would hope that we AS DEMOCRATS can make 'middle America'

understand that support for our soldiers and support for this Administration are entirely 2 different topics.
I agree - I often think about the classmate I graduated with who died
in Viet Nam a couple of years after High School graduation and wonder what his life would have been - what children he might have had and the sorrow his family feels to this day, I would suspect.

edited for typo

[G_j]

22. the best way to support the soldiers IMO

is to impeach Bush and put his whole gang on trial for high crimes.

[Bullwinkle925]

25. Here! Here! I'm totally with you!

:applause:

[dogday]

13. See John--See John Lie--See John Lose

whatever dignity he had left.....

[blm]

15. Easy explanation - Rove has pics of a drugged McCain in bed with Gannon.

As well as with Biden, and most of the WH press corps.

[Beelzebud]

19. Towards the end. When he does that DEEP sigh. He looked like he wanted t

to murder George.

He truely looks insane.

[Tommymac]

20. Contacts in AZ tell me he has always been a schill

The 'moderate' good guy label was simply good PR work.

My guess is he hopes to snag Cheney's job before 2008....

[CanonRay]

23. He lost me

when he publicly hugged Bush after what the Chimp did to him in South Carolina.

[garybeck]

24. "opinion dropping quickly"????

mine hit the bottom when he allowed bushco to make up lies about him during the campaign and he never even seemed to care.

his only excuse would be he was threatened but someone like that who's been through torture shouldn't capitulate in a situation like that.

he's completely useless.

[Bullwinkle925]

26. Of course you're right. I couldn't understand it either. Especially

when I saw him on that 'train' Bush had and how he allowed himself to be drug out for photo ops. I don't think he could have looked more 'tortured', - even when he was a POW.

These people are the worst I have EVER seen. Don't think they could stoop any lower, but somehow they manage to.