Anyone get sinking feelin Bush and Rove are going to get away with it all?

[quinnox]

I know this is not a good attitude, but I have an awful feeling Rove is gonna get away with his nonsense. That this CIA leak is almost like a sick tease that won't come to nothin in the end. And then Bush will continue his pyromaniac ways and keep on destroyin the USA until he is forced out in 2008.

[babylonsister]

1. Not me. Karma's gonna get 'em! As is the truth as

opposed to all the lying they've been doing.

[quinnox]

3. I hope your right!

[devinsgram]

20. I whole heartedly agree.

It might take a while, but when it does, it will be something to watch. For some reason, some people just do not get it. The truth always wins out. Most of the time it works its way out in the strangest most unexpected ways. Hang in there everyone, there time is a comin.

[Pacifist Patriot]

2. I've worried about this ever since the story broke.

The Teflon Don had nothing on Rove & Co.

[lynettebro440]

4. It may take some time

But these guys have to many things to deflate coming at them. The house of cards is coming down.

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[Taxloss]

7. Welcome to DU, wood chuck!

[marions ghost]

38. any more on that?

he was supposed to have informed Scooter Libby?

[leveymg]

6. Geez, you people get discouraged easily.

Do you really think this would have gotten this far if they were just doing it for show? The CIA and JCS J-5 staff have a long planning horizon. You think you can pull down BushCo with one yank?

It'll work out. Hang in there.

[quinnox]

12. fingers crossed!

I hope the optimist are right on this one

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. Actually I get my hopes up very easily.

It's just that after years and years of obvious misbehavior going unpunished I've become quite jaded. It seems like I don't have the emotional energy to be encouraged without seeing the word Indictments! as a headline.

[leveymg]

41. XMas Comes but once a year, but you have to wait 364 days.

You'll see that headline. Enjoy it. :hi:

[Mairead]

8. Even if they don't "get away with it", they do: this is a distraction

Like the SCOTUS pick, the Rove scandal is a distraction from the DSM. The worst that will happen to Rove is that he'll be 'fired' from his WH job and have to get his nominal paycheck from some other branch of the corporatocracy. Their goal is not to save Rove (tho that would be nice) but to save themselves from the DSM.

The DSM and supporting documents are evidence of the kind of thing people were hanged for in 1946. BushCo definitely want all that to go down the memory hole soonest, so they're more than willing to give up a few valuable cards such as Rove to make it happen.

[jojo54]

14. Exactly.

They're running scared, that's for sure. IMHO, the more answers Fitz tries to get, the more question arise.

I don't hold out any hope for the cabal at this time.

[G_j]

9. No, Fitzgerald's investigation goes forward

Thug and media lies and talking points are irrelevant.

I suspect that at least a few people are gonna get charged with perjury.

[Walt Starr]

10. Not even close

They are going down.

[ypsiguy]

11. yes

I've been feeling the same way. They get away with so much so easily.

[Enraged_Ape]

25. We didn't have a pissed-off CIA working in the background before.

They really stepped in it this time. They are phrankly phucked.

[babylonsister]

27. "P" squared:

I'm lovin' it! :toast:

[marions ghost]

37. yep

it'll be interesting to see how this factor plays out.

[newyawker99]

36. Hi ypsiguy!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[DistressedAmerican]

13. Hell No! They Are Going Down!

Buck up. You are not defeated. Fight these asshats with everything you've got. There will be a reconning!

[Lannes]

15. Hope not but this scene from the Godfather II

keeps playing in my head after Micheal gets off scot free.

Kay:I suppose I always knew you were too smart to let any of them ever beat you."

Rove is evil but he is also smart.Im encouraged by the investigation but Im still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

edited for spelling

[immoderate]

16. If we take back the house in 2006...

there's a good shot.

--IMM

[Ganja Ninja]

17. Has Judith Miller hanged herself in her cell yet?

This is going to go on until she either gets out or dies.

[babylonsister]

19. She gets out in October, I think, and the

Grand Jury is done in October so we'll know what's up. But I must say, your post caught my attention!

[hang a left]

30. There was a post early this morning that someone quoted the WSJ

and said that Fitzgerald is going to ask for an extension.

[babylonsister]

32. OMG! First I've heard that! Thanks for the heads-up! nt

[undeterred]

18. Well they've gotten away with a lot- but NOT THIS TIME~!

[startingnow]

21. No, I Actually Don't

And I haven't felt that way in a long time!

[quisp]

22. nope...

and I won't mind if Rove and Libby don't resign. Just point at them and say "Bush has a traitor working for him."

[xchrom]

23. probably.

but i think it's because there's a sea change in where power lies in this country -- and it's not all on capital hill.

but in the hands of people who occupy boardrooms and corporate office chairs.

[zanne]

24. If I really believed that...

I wouldn't bother with DU anymore. Or television. Or newspapers. That's like admitting that all is lost so we shouldn't even try.

[lonestarnot]

26. Hell no! Not ever gona get away with anything!

[marions ghost]

28. we have seen the bad guys win too often

in the current political and business climate so it's only natural to think they'll get away with it again. There is no certainty that they won't, as we all know they will use every means, even (what used to be) criminal means. It will come down to whether our country still has enough integrity to "police" itself. This is a huge test of the system. Questions: Whether our mechanisms for exposing this kind of corruption and abuse of power are strong enough. Whether we have enough people in positions of power who care. Whether the public cares enough and can exert enough pressure (which depends alot on the media). I say it's about 50-50 at this point. But lately I have more optimism that some form of resistance to these villains is building.

People who have reason to believe in the system will tell you the bad guys are going down. People who have been made to feel powerless, who have little faith in the system, will tell you to give up. I say we don't know quite yet and this will be a critical test of whether or system IS working or not. Your fear reflects a legitimate worry, quinnox. We have to be ready to face that the system is not working very well and that it needs fixing. At some point soon we will at least know for sure which way it's going. We WILL know. Meanwhile we have to stay active and aware and fight the queasies on this roller coaster ride of (I think) historic proportions. There will be opportunities for success if we don't give up. "No adult of sound mind can be an innocent bystander" (from that Bruce Cockburn song mentioned in the link). Very applicable to the current climate. Often people know what's really going on but refuse to see it. Too much effort to deal with it. At least we know it, we see it, and we know we want something better than this.

[Talismom]

35. Very well thought out and written! n/t

[marions ghost]

40. thanx

I don't think it hurts to take stock of where we are emotionally and psychologically in these turbulent times. It's normal to feel worried in the face of this mind-blowing arrogance and abuse of the privileges of government. As we watch what unfolds now, I hope more regular citizens begin to see the nefarious patterns at work and how ruthlessly we are all being used. And then go from victimization to a healthy anger and positive action. We have the numbers and we must no longer put up with this situation.

[spanone]

29. If America Lets them, America deserves them.

[UTUSN]

31. Yep, *I* Do. But Who Said Shrub Will Leave in '08?

Even worse, Jeb "the-smart-one" is waiting in the wings.

[freeplessinseattle]

34. How many posts on this subject do we need? n/t

[lateo]

39. Of course they will...

because there are too many Dems willing to let them.