No choice.. how will it be enforced?

[undergroundpanther]

You liberal ChriBecauseeed to look at your bibles to see why these fundamentalists freaks act like they do,and do as they do..It's all there and god Justifies them..

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.

And all of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

That said I think liberal christians need to understand
The Christian theocracy ruining our democracy are bible based and using that text to justify themselves,Their God orders them to work to make the OT literal law of our land like their eternal life depends on it and according to their bible..it DOES.(kingdom now theology).

OK what if Roe V wade is overturned?
What may be the results we all will face?
How exactly does the government expect to make sure all pregnant women do not cross state lines/get back alley abortions/stay pregnant until term?
How will they ENFORCE the anti-choice laws and punish transgressors?

And what will happen to all the unwanted babies? Who will take care of them when their own parents won't or can't? State Child welfare services are underfunded badly. Kids in foster care/adoption lead rough lives often with abusive caretakers.

Yet The Zealots want to END secular public schooling,they want to control what other peoples kids learn,orphans to them are for the indoctrinating..they will take the babies and make soldiers of Christ out of them,like the Madras schools in Iran and other islamic countries do that they complain about are warping the minds of middle eastern kids making them fanatic suicide bomber muslims.
Can you say Hypocrite?


When Roe VS wade is overturned ..
Do you have to report any pregnancy to the pregnancy police?

If you think companies already have too much information and the health insurance industry is too intrusive just wait until our health care is ruined by the every sperm is sacred zealots.

Would your GYN be required by law to rat you out to the government if your piss test comes back pregnant? Do they have to rat you out if they find a bruised abdomen or scraped vagina's? Would women be forced into supervised pregnancy hostels/psych hospitals watched 24 -7 to make sure she does nothing to terminate pregnancy.Does she get"reparative therapy" to force her to change into a "willing mother" and accept her inferior role and gods curse of suffering and submission? I think that would be the end of prenatal care.


What if the man in her life is an "old fashioned" abusive fuck head and she was raped,this asshole thinks all women are liars and sluts and beats her for being with another man..Men can be assholes like that too when their possessions go having lives they aren't in absolute control over..Look at the tali ban they blame women for every problem they have,and thus the men can tell themselves they are perfect and their culture meanwhile is one of misery ,fear and no rights for over half the population and of course if a woman offends a male her head is cut off or her clitoris cut out.. Women are not supposed to have pleasure in life..they exist as inferiors as possessions for men to own,sex toys baby boy 'heir'and'legacy' making machines ,punching bags and slaves/servants for men..as their fundamentalist war god Allah decrees..and the Yahweh of the OT isn't all that different both are woman hating fascists.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God

And what kind of ass would kill her for terminating a rape pregnancy,
The American Talibornagain.


(Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim and so the Talibornagain don't either.. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property" And Bush wants an "ownership society" Fancy that.This is what it all boils down to.. the acceptance of slavery and bullying,abuse and excusing some people from having to respect persons...they think are inferiors.


Back to life without Roe Vs Wade..

Does a state that prohibits abortion get cops come into your house at random,say 4 in the morning and look up into your wife's vagina for scratching wound evidence of back alley abortion damage in the early trimesters,and force a piss test to make sure your girlfriend/wife stays pregnant? Do they search your house for abortificant herbs or teas every month? until delivery?
Do they kill off every doctor as a murderer if they catch him performing an clandestine abortion on a kitchen table?What if a desperate woman has a Friend try to do it?

How will the zealots ENFORCE the abortion ban? How will they know a woman didn't beat her stomach to force the fetus out unless they look at her privates and naked body? What if her husband put the bruises there and denied it to avoid a domestic abuse charge..Whould they lock her up as a murderer? What if the woman aborts from medication or drug addiction would she be a murderer? What if she had an affair would we go back to stoning her? Especially is she was poor.Poor people seem to be treated much more harsh than rich women in our culture. The rich are still too privileged.
This kind of horror is what these theocracies like George bush or Falwell or Dobson want America to become.

Will they arrest all women who terminate pregnancy for murder?
How will they distinguish miscarriages from abortion..Do you think zealots care to think about that?


How long until religious zealots become like the taliban, over here busting down your door with arrogant bible verse spewing armed cops with a GYN in tow to make sure murder isn't happening when a pregnant woman does not call the office of homeland security to say her fetus fell out?


How long until teen girls are virgin checked (once pregnancy gives the zealots access to every woman's sex life,they will not stop at pregnancy..OT laws are about virginity until marriage as well..and we start"honor killings" when our country slides back to stone age second century Old Testament law as law of America..How will the zealots find out if a man has sex with his wife on the period?Or if he has sex with another man..or dares wear women's underwear,all were the death penalty in the old testament,God hated this kind of activity.. We have already accepted cameras watching our every move in stores. on the street,posted in neighborhoods,on satellites without question..We accept big brother as "reality tv" where cameras watch the dramas of others lives.. how long until our bedroom activities are watched with a camera too?

Things could change like this bit by bit when these fundamentalist,insane, christian zealot monstrosities get god like powers over our lives by infiltrating our government with their cultic tendencies tend want to do to keep God happy?


Do you want to go back to old testament jewish laws with the technology we have today?It's a panaptacon everywhere.omnipotent,omnipresent ever watchful hell on Earth wile the zealots make us play their cultic game waiting for Jesus.

That kind of religious based theocratic fascism with technology to control and spy upon everyone in practice is what the anti choice crowd is enabling when they agree to let religious zealots who think they must make old testament religion LAWS of a modern secular state..make law and sit in the judges seat as if they were clear thinkers respecting the Constitution,human rights,civil liberties and bill of rights.These religious zealots respect their religion.They do not want democracy.

And if you enable and give away our government to zealot cultists and give in to this decay of human rights these pieces of shit want to impose on us because of their beliefs how can you call yourself a DEMOCRAT?

Because these Christian cultists are really all about bullies and control freaks reacting with want of domination ann fear of hell,and in fear of their god,and a big eternal life bribe.. basically they are dismantling all the progressive civil rights of 200+ years because they are sold out..(god is no respecter of persons)and they are bit by bit doing this with the stealth only a predatory hater of civil liberties can do,they go destroying our government..for jesus.

Why?
They are insane.. imposing a fantasy onto reality,as if it was possible to please the demanding ego of one particular invisible,abandoning,cruel,sadistic,capricious,contradictory, jealous,angry god of war that allegedly loves us too..discribed in alot of dusty old scrolls of questionable origins, written by many people through many years and edited like crazy by roman emperors and the church that gave us the dark ages...long ago.

This is crazy.


The talibornagain AND liberal feel good Christians both want the rewards of heaven,they are all bribed,and the true believers,want it more and that makes them more dangerous to any sense of democracy in this country. All religious zealots are INCOMPATIBLE with democracy and freedom and civil rights. They would make us all convert or die so they can be priests and kings in another realm, loyal to their "lord" that is a monster in their "heart" ..desiring to be in heaven smashing the wicked over and over with a justified zealot rage like clay pots and live forever in this supernatural strange bullies paradise of ease and cruelty worthy of an Ancient roman emperors fantasy...with only one ass to kiss..thier mythic jesus who forgives all wrongs his beloved believers do anyway.
Heaven is fascist narcissist bullies wet dream.Apocalypse is the ultimate romanticized bloodbath and guilt free wargasm.Old testament law is the biggest power trip for controlling self righteous men..Think about it.It's ghastly.

The cultists are taking our rights away because they want a bigger reward in heaven.Taking away freedom so they can get brownie points and a bigger crown from Jesus.. Sick ain't it? Read quotes I putt below,from these theocratic zealots and you will see.
This kind of zealot intrusion wanting to convert the world for jesus what we have to END.And as long as the bible condones hate in it texts and god is depicted as a war god, a bully god , all hateful hearts will use it to justify hate. The bible has HATE in it whether you omit it from your religious readings or perspective on how you look at your god it does not matter because there are regardless of you,dangerous fanatics who read the same book,and use the words of Jesus and the bible to justify atrocity.
And the bible is a mass of contradictions and it DOES justify what these theocracies want.It's all there.That is why I do not trust jesus or god or the bible as anything but a piece of bad fiction myself.

These theocrats are guilty of treason.And they like their god, are no respecters of persons,especially the secular and liberal. I fear for my country for these zealots want to usher in a new dark ages for their confused controlling lord.

Here are quotes do you want a person like this in the supreme court? We already have them controlling the white house/senate.
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I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good . . . our goal is a Christian nation. We have the biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism...
-Randall Terry, Director of Operation Rescue, from The News Sentinel (Ft. Wayne, IN, 16 August, 1993.)

"Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong." (Joel 3:9-10)
Comment

Peace loving Jews and Christians love to quote the biblical passage about beating swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks, (Micah 4:3) but here we have just the opposite.
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Government was instituted by God to bring His laws to people and to carry out His will and purposes.
-Pat Robertson (Answers to 200 of Life's most Probing Questions, Bantam Books, 1984)

I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
-President George H. W. Bush (the First), during an August 27, 1987 interview by Rob Sherman


When any civil government steps outside the mandate authorized by God Almighty, then that government does not have any further claim over its citizens.
-Pat Robertson (Answers to 200 of Life's most Probing Questions, Bantam Books, 1984)

There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?

-Pat Robertson, (The New World Order, p. 227, Word Publishing, 1991)
I want to be invisible . . . I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag. You don't know until election night."
-Ralph Reed, Director of the Christian Coalition, from the Virginian Pilot and Ledger Star, 11/9/91.

Satan . . . is as dangerous as we allow him to be. His primary weapon is deceit, and he uses it to prevent Christians from exercising the authority that is truly theirs in this world."
-Pat Robertson (The Secret Kingdom)


• On approximately April 27 or 28, 2002, Juma Al Dossari was choked and beaten in his cell by MPs and lost consciousness. He was carried from his bloodied cell on a stretcher. The military videotaped the incident. When Mr. Al Dossari later asked the MP who had beaten him why he had done so, the MP replied, “because I’m a Christian.”

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=UsyAj...

"And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to naught; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." (Deuteronomy 28:63)



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Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.
-Jeffrey Dahmer, convicted serial killer, in a statement to the court, Milwaukee, WI, February 17, 1992


My children, Michael and Alex, are with our Heavenly Father now, and I know that they will never be hurt again. As a mom, that means more than words could ever say. . . My children deserve to have the best, and now they will. . . I have put my total faith in God, and he will take care of me.
-Susan Smith, who drowned her two children, in her confession letter, Nov. 1994

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalms 137:9, KJV)

"How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock." (Psalms 137:9, New American Bible)

"Happy the man who shall seize and smash your little ones against the rock!" (Psalms 137:9, New American Bible)

"a blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock!" (Psalms 137:9, Jerusalem Bible)



Jesus Reveals Himself

"I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Revelation 22:16)

This verse presents the most shocking revelation in the entire Bible. On the very last page, it reveals Jesus as the "bright and morning star". In other words, Lucifer-- Satan!

In Isaiah 14:12, St. Jerome, translated the Hebrew "morning star" into the Latin term "Lucifer" (light bearer), a name commonly ascribed to Satan by Christians, and represents the fallen star, an ancient symbol for the fallen or evil one. The mourning star actually appears as the planet Venus, the brightest "star" in the sky (but the ancients did not know about planets). Venus always appears low on the horizon, thus it looked like a fallen star (fallen angel) to the believers.

Although the Isaiah verse describes the fallen king of Babylon, Christians have, for centuries, ascribed Satan as taking many forms. And what more powerful form could an evil being take than to pretend himself as the saviour of the world? This would certainly explain the hate filled verses attributed to Jesus and the blind followers who inherit ignorance. Thus, a conclusion, based on Christian beliefs of Satan, and the belief in the "inerrancy" of the Bible, one must conclude that Jesus has revealed himself as Satan!

What a Revelation!

[Lex]

1. They enforce the "No Abortion" rule by making the procedure criminal

and arresting doctors who perform the procedure, and shutting down clinics.

Yes, abortions will still occur in the "back rooms" of clinics at exhorbitant costs and questionable safety.

Women will bleed to death and be maimed and scarred for life and doctors will go to jail who are caught.

[hobbit709]

2. Then these people

had better start keeping Kosher. That's the law too.

[MountainLaurel]

3. Imagine Ceausescu's Romania

On a larger, grander scale.

Here's a little sampling of what's already been attempted along these lines:

http://democracyforvirginia.typepad.com/democracy_for_virginia/2005/01/legislative_sen.html

[wli]

5. don't almost all pregnancies miscarry while the embryo is microscopic?

[MountainLaurel]

7. It's hard to tell

Because most women don't realize they are pregnant, but medical sources seem to estimate that between 50 and 75 percent of all pregnancies, in average women of average risk factors, will spontaneously abort.

[wli]

8. that sounds about like what I heard

[skids]

4. Utterly unconvincing.

You've taken such completely insane liberties in interperating most of those quotes that no person who has any understanding of the bible will give your screed any credence.

Your point would be better served by collecting quotes from modern-day, living, "Christian" Right leaders that demonstrate their perverse thinking.

[Clark2008]

6. Point of fact: If R v. W is overturned, it won't be the end of legal

abortion.

It will just turn back the issue to the states; therefore, folks in the red states will have to travel to the blue states to get their abortions.

[Heddi]

9. Which puts poor women at a disadvantage

which the OP said -- the rich are too priveleged.

The states that will overturn abortion, like South Carolina, would also most definitely make it a crime for a minor to cross state lines to receive an abortion in another state.

So basically, you're willing for poor girls in rural America to have forced pregancies because of state laws?

you're willing to tell the poor women of America, who cannot afford to take the time off work, who do not have the money to travel to another state, who live in controlling relationships and would not be 'allowed' to travel to another state, that it's okee dokee that they're forced incubators, forced to be mothers, forced to undergo a pregnancy they do not wish to carry to term?


The rich and affluent can do whatever they want. Why are we willing to just say "fuck you" to the poor in this country who are unfortunate enough to live in anti-choice states? Don't they count too? Or are we like Republicans where we belive the poor get what they deserve because they're poor. That they should be FORCED to carry a pregnancy to term because they don't have the werewithall to move to another state. That's what they get for living in the South. That's what they get for being poor.

Fuck that.

[MountainLaurel]

10. Or willing for them to bleed to death

On the bathroom floor after they ram a metal knitting needle into their cervix? Or willing for them to become homeless when their fundie parents throw her out on the street for being a slut after they beat the hell out of her? Or willing for them to die at the hands of their abusive husbands?

But hey, what are a few thousand dead poor women and girls to this poster?

:sarcasm:

[Heddi]

11. If they were SMART, they'd be rich

but, since they're not rich, that just proves how stupid and lazy they are. And we all know that the stupid, lazy, and poor, deserve to be nothing more than incubators, nothing more than forced parents, and deserve nothing better in life than a painful death via. massive blood loss or infection. At the LEAST they'd be rendered sterile for the rest of their lives, which is good, because that's one fewer generation of stupid, lazy, poor people we have to not worry abbout. Because they're stupid, lazy, and poor.

:sarcasm:

Oh, and it wouldn't be just a few thousand. It would be a few million. And the children they're forced to bear. And the children that THEY are forced to bear, and so on, and so on, and so on.