McCain introducing detention techniques amendment!! cspan2 nt.

[cyberpj]

[cyberpj]

1. GOP Senators Ready Detainee Amendments - Rate the story -

Yahoo Story - Rate it UP.

GOP Senators Ready Detainee Amendments By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
40 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans planned to push ahead with legislation regulating the treatment and interrogation of terrorism suspects in U.S. custody, despite a White House veto threat.

The Bush administration, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, is working to kill amendments that GOP Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina want to tack onto a bill setting Defense Department policy for next year.

McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, and Graham, a former military lawyer, planned to introduce their amendments this week, said Senate aides who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to let their names be used. Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., has been working with McCain and Graham on the legislation.

The aides said the measures have not been toned down even though White House lobbying against them intensified late last week.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050725/ap_on_go_co/congress_detainees

[SteppingRazor]

2. The fact that Bush would veto a massive defense bill...

simply because it offers definitions and explanations for the treatment of detainees, speaks volumes as to how much he really "supports the troops"

[CanonRay]

3. He hasn't got the balls

It's all a big bluff, he thought McCain would back down (so did I). The Chimp is all talk. But wouldn't that be interesting if that would be his first veto!

[cyberpj]

5. then that's just another 'flip-flop' for him, innit? nt.

[Just Me]

6. If he did veto a defense spending bill based on anti-torture language,...

,...it would be one of the greatest political hammers we could ever be granted. I wonder how much punch that amendment contains: criminal penalties or what?

[cyberpj]

4. Agreed. And this will further hurt Bush admin a LOT. Good on ya John. nt

[Mass]

7. Will McCain vote against cloture?

If he does not, this is only political posturing. A cloture vote would allow to reject this amendment and others as non-germane and therefore avoid Republicans a vote on this difficult subject where Bush has already said he would veto.

[Panda1]

10. Cheney is a thug

From your link:

...
Cheney met with the three Republican lawmakers just off the Senate floor for about 30 minutes Thursday evening. That followed an administration statement that President Bush's advisers would recommend a veto of the overall bill if amendments were added that "interfere with the protection of Americans from terrorism by diverting resources from the war to answer unnecessary or duplicative inquiry or by restricting the president's ability to conduct the war effectively."
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[cyberpj]

8. McCain talking about the abuse shown in photos that could have been

avoided -- you know he's seen the others too.

reading signatures of generals that want this amendment.

[cyberpj]

9. The amendment says - prisoners will be treated in accordance

with the army field manual.

[cyberpj]

11. Now John Warner is speaking for his (different) amendment. nt.

[cyberpj]

13. Warner amendment says Secty of Defense w/set terms for

detention and interrogation.

[cyberpj]

14. McCain says leaving it in hands of Secty of Defense is what caused

the problems we're in today.

Yes!

[ScamUSA.Com]

15. this is SO WHAT WAS NEEDED

crossing party lines on this issue is critical!

dude deserves a medal... this is the tip of the iceberg

[cyberpj]

17. Agreed. Still....

Do you think it's finally happening because of the almost release of the new pix -- and that we all know they saw them some time ago?

[ScamUSA.Com]

19. possibly McCain's character

I know people from DU had been emailing him...

I'd really like to believe in character.

Politically, you never know, it might be some type of preemptive strike

[cyberpj]

16. Warner offers to withdraw his amendment! OMG!

Says he just wanted a chain of command.

[ScamUSA.Com]

12. that was amazing

no more 'ghost' comments about McCain please

[cyberpj]

18. Levin up - saying the field manual is readily visible to all

makes it crystal clear to all who want to know.

to do this in secret is not good.

[cyberpj]

20. Warners says field manual is under revision at this time -

Levin responds that it could still be seen by all congress - and not secret.

[cyberpj]

21. Even Graham is up and will support the mccain amendment.

they must really be afraid of what's going to happen if these new pics come out.

[ScamUSA.Com]

22. seriously

I'm in shock right now... not really but this is surprising.

[cyberpj]

23. Listening to him - if the army field manual has always been so good -

why wasn't it used!?

[cyberpj]

24. It's way too strange listening to Republicans speak on their own -

not a talking point in the room today.

[ScamUSA.Com]

25. the cynical and yet probable explanation, as you mentioned

is that the pix will be released this week

I really wish I could believe in the guys character.

WOW do you see the bickering between the republicans...

The tide has turned!

[cyberpj]

26. Sessions stand up - wants to speak against it. nt.

[Lecky]

43. I can't stand that POS Sessions

Everytime he speaks I want to vomit.

[jim3775]

27. self delete

I just read the news story.

[cyberpj]

28. There are 2 and now a possible 3rd -

mccain - use army field manual

warner - let secty of defense set policy

stabenow wants to enter another.

[Deb]

29. I can't help but be cynical while watching this

Where have they been? Repubs had the power to make these changes l-o-n-g ago and I wonder if the offered Amendment is an effort to inoculate Repubs from a coming storm the new photos will bring.

[cyberpj]

31. Yep. couple of us have already said the same thing. It's almost obvious

isn't it? All of a sudden they want to do something. And they're almost fighting to be "on" the best amendment as co-sponsors.

[faithnotgreed]

35. thats exactly why... finally some republicans have a bit of humanity

only because of these impending photos
whether it brings some bit of integrity out because of how heinous all this is or because they just want a cya moment i cant say

when the wh is threatening (to veto a defense bill) because of this and these few republicans are openly fighting the wh on this amendment then they are finally displaying a shred of humanity

horrible that it comes about because of approved torture

[jillan]

30. Instead of a cat fight - it's an elephant fight!

This is top entertainment. :)

[cyberpj]

32. LOL! Great photo! Well, here's Sessions to put it down..... nt.

[ScamUSA.Com]

33. wow what an ignorant coverup

Excuse me Sen Sessions, you are on record for all time

[Panda1]

40. Sessions is an A$$!

"These prisoners...are unlawful combatants...it's indisputable the Geneva Conventions do not apply to them."

Sometimes with his, "uhnn, uhn, uhhn," his voice reminds me of Ted Turner's.

[cyberpj]

34. Sessions rejects the idea that our defense dept is out of control

He's pretty red in the face working up his rebuttal to this common sense amendment.

These kinds of prisoners we deal with today are not prisoners of war - they are ---- ready ----- "enemy combatants".

Geneva conventions do not apply.

[cyberpj]

36. An Ah Am Proud of what our men and women are doing... I'll bet you are!

Oh --- he has Army reserve training. That explains it.

[cyberpj]

38. Theze kinds'a priznahs aren't normal. Stop that man! nt.

[ScamUSA.Com]

37. dude is firing on 3 cylinders

McCain is at least running a V8

[cyberpj]

39. Please don't let them stumble around so much that nothing happens.

They're almost out of time.

[cyberpj]

41. Now it's looking like a circus, innit? I'm late to leave for home so

I'll check in later. Y'all have fun now, ya hear? Oh God, way too much Sessions

AND HERE HE COMES AGAIN!!!!

I'm outta here.

PJ

[ScamUSA.Com]

42. nice thread cyberpj

take care

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Just got an e-mail from Amnesty International backing McCain on this.

As much as I loathe McCain, he's right on this one.