My Fundie Sister Just Said Plame's Husband Outted Valerie

[DanCa]

And that I should be thankful that I have a good christian president signing my welfare (ssdi) checks. What are they putting into communion wine at fundie mass these days Urgh.

[Liberal_Andy]

1. your fundy sister is wrong

right wing lies

[lancdem]

2. Chimpy signs government checks?

I didn't know that. :eyes:

[DanCa]

5. I didn't know chimpy can spell (nt)

[etherealtruth]

16. He can't ---- yet another Right-wing lie n/t

[JDPriestly]

22. ssdi - social security disability inocme (I think)

It's federal money, I guess.

[DanCa]

27. yes jd

your right.

[stepnw1f]

3. A Republican Co-Worker Called Bush a Traitor Today

And 3 others in the last 2 weeks have said they were disgusted, so don't get down. The public is getting it now.

[writes2000]

18. That so encouraging to hear!

[FreedomAngel82]

20. Seriously?

Wow.

[stepnw1f]

35. Yeah Looked Wicked Depressed Too

Pissed but down. He didn't look me in the eye... just stared off into space when he said it.

[GraysonDave]

4. I think she's been listening to Hannity or Boortz

I've heard that line from both of them.

[DanCa]

10. Ah so that's where she got it

Thanks. I was driving myself crazy trying to figure out which Rwinger she repeated it from.

[Ladyhawk]

42. No original thoughts come from bushbots.

My brother can be counted upon to repeat the Rush Limbaugh talking point du jour.

[CatWoman]

6. send her some links about our soldiers raping Iraqi children

done on his orders, mind you, and ask her would a good christian man have that done in his name.

[Lecky]

21. Seriously...you should fill her in on Bush advocating sodomizing children

They are Muslim children so she may not care.

[startingnow]

7. Where do these people get it?

And I mean no disrespect to your sister.

[DanCa]

14. Welcome to du starting now no disrespect taken.

and i wish i knew.

[startingnow]

26. Thank you, and hang in there!

Don't let 'em get under your skin! :)

[janx]

8. That's one of the main right wing talking points. It has been

spewed all over the airwaves and throughout the right wingnut media. Wilson outed Plame, and by the way, Plame was never under cover.

:rofl:

[Ladyhawk]

43. WTF? How can she be "outed" if she isn't under cover.

:crazy: They can't have it both ways.

[janx]

47. It depends on what mood they're in.

:rofl:

[KarenInMA]

9. Is she angry that you get government assistance?

'cause if so, she really should provide for your needs herself.

[DanCa]

12. welcome to du kareninma

yeah ever since i was dxd with pd she's been busting my chops about being on disability. I can handle fighting with her about politic or disabiltiy not both.

[KarenInMA]

19. what's PD?

Regardless, I'm sorry you have to go through a disease and a sister with a diseased mind.

:hug:

[jzodda]

28. Let me get this straight

I take it PD means Parkinsons Disease? and your sister is making fun of you for being on disability for that? I do not know your sister but I am very angry about that right now. She certainly does not sound like a nice person.

I wish you all the best in fighting it!

[DanCa]

34. yes your correct on all accounts

Thank you and welcome to du.

[Ladyhawk]

45. I suspect my family thinks less of me because I'm on SSDI, too. :(

My ex-sister-in-law came out and said it, but I think the others think it. All my life they complained about people on welfare and disability. Why should they make an exception for me? They said Democrats and liberals are evil, why would they make an exception for me?

I don't trust 'em. :(

[Disturbed]

15. I am so thankful that I don't have any relatives that

are RWingers &/or Fundies. I would be real sad if I did. I would prolly not associate with them if at all possible.

[KarenInMA]

23. My uncle is a hard core NH Republican.

Thinks that there should be less taxes, less government, less interference in his life. NH is very VERY libertarian.

Anywho, the man never voted for a D in his life....except for this election, when he voted for Kerry.

He hated Kerry, but as he put it, "I don't even recognize my party". I used to engage in spirited debates with him, and now he's too sad.

[Ladyhawk]

46. For disabled folks, it's hard to cut them off.

We don't have many resources. :shrug:

[Kerrytravelers]

11. Ask her to prove it. Give her the copy of Wilson's op-ed piece and

both novak columns that outed VP and ask your sister to show you where Wison outed his wife. Give her the transcripts of the panel last week where Larry Johnson and three other former CIA guys spoke on record to Rush Holt and Henry Waxman about what happen. Ask her to find where these four Republican CIA guys say Wilson outed his wife.

Unless she can prove it, advise her to keep her wild fantasies to herself--- it makes the whole family look like nuts when one is out there acting the fool.

[Cha]

13. Tell her to step away from

limpbaugh, quit drinking the koolaid and get a fucking grip!

Sorry, about that last part..I get so Frustrated!

bush is a lying fool and if Anyone cared enough to investigate instead of listening to hate tv(faux) and hate radio(the druggy limpbaugh, ad infinitum)..they could find out for themselves instead of spouting dittoisms.

[RagAss]

17. These are the Moonies of the modern age...

Remember those zombies? Trying to get you to sign up for a weekend retreat? They were in strip malls all over the country in the mid 70's. The new age Moonies don't need retreats....they use AM radio frequencies now.

[libertypirate]

24. You should just laugh at her. I mean look at the horse shit she

is buying. Who had what to gain by killing off a whole CIA cover company? And who is the target of the investigation? Then tell her she is stupid to believe all that wholesome crap about George W. "Christ" Bush; he is a fucking Bush end of story. These are the creepiest sort of political criminal because they can fuck you while lifting your spirits. It's not real, and when the magic wears off remember Watergate, Iran/Contra, this shit is way more fucked up then that.

If she really wanted to support the troops she would stop mooooving with the crowd, and start asking questions. If she wanted help she would try and answer some questions. We the people don’t exist on Fox News the news is not my voice.

Sorry bit of a rant

[DanCa]

30. Thanks I feel Lots better :D (nt)

[joneschick]

25. it's very big in freepland

I was just there checking out a link from our activist corps...they monitor us like crazy! Anyway, there's a huge story explaining in simple freep terms how Wilson outed her-repeatedly. Yeah, right. And they turn around and spew it all over the place. Tough that you get it from your own family though.:hug:

[Jazzgirl]

29. Did you slap the s*** out of her?

n/t

[DanCa]

32. Welcome to DU

And no I dont believe in hitting women even though she's boderline :D

[Ladyhawk]

48. Does she contribute anything meaningful to your life?

You might consider backing off from her if the answer is no. My plans to do this get waylaid every time I have a day like today. Pain.

[DanCa]

52. I do get nice adrenaline rushes from the arguements but generaly no .

She's in her own little world. Thanks for carring.

[RagAss]

31. Sorry, but I don't need family that bad....

[KarenInMA]

33. Parkinsons? Is that what this means?

If you tell me this woman is against stem cell research, which could help her SISTER, I will seriously come over and kick her ass. Really, I will. My Grandmother died of Parkinsons before there was any hope for a cure, and if this woman is opposed...


:grr:

(edited because my angry face didn't come up- stupid internets)

[DanCa]

36. yeah thats one of the things we argue about .

[jzodda]

41. Shes against Stem Cells too? Yeesh

Man she sounds like a really hardcore right winger. Even my mostly conservative parents support stem cell research. So does my ultra right wing buddy who I went to college with.

Its one thing to be against abortion but its quite another to make the argument that stem cells are human beings. Most people who make that argument sound like nuts to even to the right wingers. So she probably belives that life begins at conception so that means even the morning after pill would be murder....

Was she dropped as a child to make her this way? ;-)

[sakabatou]

37. Bush, good, christian, and president:

Words that shouldn't be in the same sentence.

[Gay Green]

49. Unless the sentence is "Bush is NOT in any way or fashion to be considered

a good christian and pResident."

[sakabatou]

50. Of course.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Well, it's a step up from, "Naa, Naa, Naa, I can't Hear Yoooooooouuuuu!"

But not by much.

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. She's on your case again, eh? *hugs* I still say you need to have her over

to dinner on the same night you invite, oh I dunno, a minister from the local unitarian universalist church mebbe? *g*

[Ladyhawk]

40. You and I have a lot in common: fundy relatives and SSDI.

Today I'm so much pain I can't even think, so I'll leave it at that.

[Ready2Snap]

44. Sister's wrong on several counts

1- * doesn't sign SSDI checks, I believe it's the Sec'y. of HHS.(I could be wrong, but I don't think so.)
In any event being christian has nothing to do with it.
In fact, if it were up to that good christian president and his buddies, they'd cut you loose without a second thought. Tell her that, too!

2-SSDI(social security disability income) is not welfare.
I just passed the state insurance licensing exam in CA,
and from what I read the SS definition of disabled is the most strict of all. Those guys are incredibly tight-fisted.
Whatever happened to make you eligible it sure as hell wasn't laziness. Don't let anyone call it welfare!

Ask your sister where she heard that crap about Plame.
A little reading on this blog should give you plenty of ammunition to counter her allegations,
which I'm sure aren't hers to begin with.

Tell her to look at the big picture; the whole thing started because Joe Wilson had the nerve to say that that good, christian president lied us into a war, which, by the way, his buddies had been planning since the '80s.(google PNAC + clinton + 1998)

Hang in there, your sister can still be saved. Refer her to the Landover Baptist Church.
They'll straighten her out about being a "good christian."

[Lisa]

51. making a virtue out of a necessity!

So, basically, Dubya must be a "good Christian" because government workers are doing their jobs?

Wow -- if canonization were that easy, it's a wonder we haven't got saints up the wazoo! By that logic, Clinton must also be just as good a Christian as Dub. Well, except for the time the assistance checks got held up because ... because the Republicans tried to shut down the government! Which, I guess, would make them Satan's minions because they interfered with the government's ability to help people, huh?

If she really believes that distributing public assistance is the hallmark of a good and saintly person, let's hope she's out on the street picketing whenever certain politicians try to cut back veterans' benefits, Social Security, etc.

[DanCa]

53. Thank you everyone

I feel so much better now. Hugs. I love DU.

[demgurl]

54. DanCa.....

I am so sorry you deal with this kind of crap. There is just no need for it. So let me ask you a question, is she saying that if we had any other president that they would not be signing your check so you should be thankful for Bu$h? Cause that is the reasoning she seems to be putting forth. I would just explain to her it does not matter who is in charge because you will be getting your check anyway.

As far as the whole Wilson thing, I would ask her why Wilson has not been arrested and brought up on charges of treason. It is a serious thing to out an agent. There is only one reason I can come up with and it is the same reason the CIA, you know, those wonderful folks who actually know about covert activities and people being outed, is having Rove and Libby investigated. And it does not count when they quote Intel reports that Rove is accused of editing himself.

I just don't know if I can deal with these sorts of people any more. I want to convert them but I keep having to fight the overwhelming feeling to choke the heck out of them.

[BamaLefty]

55. I Had Someone Say The Exact Thing To Me The Other Day

They said, "Wouldn't it be funny if they find out that Wilson outed Valerie Plame?"

:wtf: Why would he out his own wife?? God, Repubs really do give me laughter... seriously.

[Stuckinthebush]

56. You just need to look her in the eyes and say six words

"You are a danger to democracy."

And turn around and walk away. That will keep her thinking for days.

[Sparkly]

57. As I said earlier today, I don't understand WHY they think he's Christian.

Because he said so?

Doesn't the Bible say something like "By their works ye shall know them?" The Chimp's works are far, FAR from Christian as I understand Christianity.

:shrug: