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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:09 PM
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Would you go up in the shuttle tomorrow?
Considering the current lack of 'missing pretty white women' or celebrity pedophilia trials, etc.
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LibinMo Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:11 PM
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1. No Way
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:37 PM
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22. My dad worked with Charlie Camarda, one of the guys
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 09:39 PM by SCRUBDASHRUB
going up tomorrow. I hope everything goes OK.

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:11 PM
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2. Normally I would say yes, but with the way Bush has cut NASA's
budget, I'll sit this one out!
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:20 PM
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10. not only that, but they were also saying on t.v. that even if that shuttle
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 09:22 PM by flordehinojos
showed the same failure it showed last week, that they would still send it up ... and I remember when the challenger explosion on a very cold JANUARY (or was it FEBRUARY) morning went up and exploded, and how I kept thinking about what would happen to the challenger if it went from that cold, freezing state of the morning into the immediate heat of lift off, and then saw how it exploded due to something in the oil rings (and differential temperatures) and forever thereafter i thought, did no one at NASA use their science, logic, intuition? and here they are again ... about to send a space rocket into orbit whether or not it has a problem in it. C R A Z Y, isn't it? maybe the bushies are desperately looking for something, anything, to take the spotlight away from the PLAME AFFAIR ... and, o, who cares about life? they don't seem to in iraq, anyhow...so, what are a few more lives?
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:43 PM
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28. The corporate media got it wrong
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 09:48 PM by jim3775
they have a habit of getting things wrong.

NASA for the most part identified and fixed the problem, confirmation of this will come at 7:19 AM tomorrow. The have exhaustively tested the sensor and have not been able to repeat the problem under any circumstance. There is a redundancy built into the sensors, 3 of them worked fine, one acted erratically for this issue to cause a problem with the flight there would have to be a fuel anomaly and three other sensors would have to fail.

The sensor only sends two signals wet or dry.

Here is the plan for launch:

1) Any ECO sensors "fail dry:" Scrub
If the sensors “fail dry” the engine will be cut off prematurely, this is not what happened before and this problem has never happened.

2) More than one hydrogen ECO sensor malfunctions: Scrub
Again, this is not what happened before and this problem has never happened.

3) Any liquid oxygen ECO sensors fail: Scrub
The problem before was with the hydrogen an oxygen tank failure would mean the problem was not related to just one sensor, problem has also never happened.

4) Hydrogen ECO sensors 1 or 3 malfunction: Scrub
These were the sensors which were working perfectly before.

5) All four hydrogen ECO sensors work normally: Launch

6)Hydrogen ECO sensor 2 fails wet: Launch
7)Hydrogen ECO sensor 4 fails wet: Launch

There is no problem if the sensor fails wet, they already know the tank is filled. Again they will accept a “wet” failure in either sensor 2 or 4 if 1 or 3 fails they know the problem isn’t fixed.


It isn’t crazy, it’s the worlds foremost aerospace engineers all collaborating to fix a minor problem.

EDIT: Yes I would definitely go up.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:52 PM
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30. thanks ...
i appreciate the update
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:12 PM
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3. Sure. n/t
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:39 PM
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24. light it
I was ready to fly the day after challenger, except no one invited me.Catastophic failure rate here extremely low considering the complexity of the machine the hostility of the environment it operates in and the inherent risks of the endeavor.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:15 PM
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4. In a heartbeat! n/t
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:17 PM
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8. Me too.
Lets form a crew.

I get to be Major Geek, pilot extraordinaire.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:16 PM
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5. Yes, I call Shotgun n/t
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:17 PM
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6. When they were first rolled out they announced the expected failure rate
It was one catastrophic accident in every 64 launches. This was known from the beginning. When you put people in a little pod on top of thousands of tons of explosives and shoot them off into space its dangerous.

We've had 2 catastrophic failures in something like 120 launches.

They were right.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:17 PM
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7. No thanks. I'd be too worried to enjoy the trip. eom
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:18 PM
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9. No. But then I am afraid of flying.
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Lady Effingbroke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:21 PM
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11. No, thanks!
No way, not ever!
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:21 PM
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12. No, I get motion sickness
Vomiting in space is not really how I want to spend my day.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:22 PM
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13. without hesitation - yes!
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 09:22 PM by fryguy
i've always dreamed about going into space and to be off the planet being polluted and corrupted by bush co, even for a short time, would be worth the ride....
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:24 PM
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14. Hell yes
Talk about the ultimate non-chemical rush(pun intended).
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:25 PM
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15. uh no
something about the fuel gages

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:28 PM
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17. No way!
I don't trust these guys. NASA needs to stop spending millions on this type of launch and take a few years off to figure out a better way.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:27 PM
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16. a repuke system
designed and used to further the repuke agenda for "space"

with a repuke wanting to distract us from his repuke treason, repuke theft and other repuke scandals?

hell no.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:31 PM
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18. Oh hell yes.
Anything to get away from Bush and his cronies. Especially if I could just sit it out on the space station until Dubya is out of power. If he declares marshall law and appoints himself "dictator for life", I'll just see if I can hitch a ride with some aliens to their planet. that would be much better than having to come back to Bushworld.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:34 PM
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19. Hell no
And the reason relates back to the Challenger, mentioned above.

The o-ring damage was entirely predictable. The reason I say that is that the engineers DID predict it. The rocket-maker, Morton Thiokol, recommended the night before that NASA cancel the Challenger launch, but NASA wouldn't listen. They faxed charts to NASA trying to prove that conditions weren't safe, they knew they had damage at low temperatures and the temp that day was even LOWER than their previous launches, and NASA responded by covering its collective ears and starting the countdown.

It was entirely preventable, and nobody at NASA cared enough to listen to their own experts. Rescheduling the launches is bad publicity, and expensive.

That's the real tragedy of challenger. Not that the people died, but that engineers stood by helplessly, knowing it would happen.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:35 PM
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20. No freakin' way!! Never, never, never!!!!!!!!!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:37 PM
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21. No but I am scared of heights and don't like roller coasters
so I wouldn't have gone up ever.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:38 PM
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23. 'long as it's not the day before a Republican's State of the Union Address
"Make sure we have that school teacher is in orbit no matter what so I can talk to her during my speech."
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:39 PM
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25. Without hesitation.
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:41 PM
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26. Where's my seat?
Going up in a serious KABLOOM while riding into Space, The Final Frontier, on that Big, Big "Missile" filled with Mega-Fuel-Power?

Yee-Haw!!! Where's my boarding pass?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:42 PM
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27. I'm a pilot with over 5,000 hours. But, I'm sad to say, I wouldn't
go on the space shuttle. It was too dangerous back when they were new and the people who designed them were also monitoring the flights. Now, they are old, obsolete really. I am very fearful that the crew is in a great deal of danger. We need to rethink our space travel engineering. The shuttle isn't the way to go.
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Im_Your_Huckleberry Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 09:47 PM
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29. nope.
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AuntieM1957 Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:08 PM
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31. Considering that the district that re-elected Tom Delay
is where NASA HQ are located, not only NO, but HELL, NO!

Lying liars believing their own lies.





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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 10:10 PM
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32. No.
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