Yar har on Democratic Unity - woohoo!

[Writer]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

UNITED WE STAND - DIVIDED WE FALL!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[emulatorloo]

1. Simple Concept

I think you have something there.

:toast:

[Robbien]

2. Boring. Did that, been there and look how far in the hole it has got us

Pushing a DLC agenda is a proven surefire way to lose an election.

[Writer]

3. The DLC? Say, wha'?

This is about the DLC?

Okay... so be it. When we join together to fight the GOP - regardless of the agenday - you'll have to be the odd man out.

[Robbien]

5. Yeah right. As if this whole catapulting the unity propaganda program

has not originated in the DLC's conference in Ohio. As if anyone believes that.

We all joined together in 2004 under the DLC and lost. Now you are pushing for everyone to do it again.

What was that definition of stupidity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

[hfojvt]

15. no that was the definition of insanity

but I think it was from Einstein and not a psychologist.

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/insanity-doing_the_same_thing_over_and_over_again/15511.html

[emulatorloo]

4. Well, Divide and Conquer works great for the Republicans!

Cuz it keeps them in power

(who cares bout the DLC? not me!)

[Writer]

6. kick

with an additional yar har! :woohoo:

[longship]

7. Unity? Great! Let's go.

Fine with you? That's good.

What's that? You say you're not for withdrawing from Iraq?
Sorry, we're not united on that.

What's that? You want to restrict women's access to reproductive health care?
Sorry, we're not united on that.

What's that? You think business can only be strong by lifting government regulations?
Sorry, we're not united on that.

What's that? You think free trade is the answer to the country's business woes?
Sorry, we're not united on that.

What's that? You think the private sector has had the best solution for providing health care for everybody?
Sorry, we're not united on that.

What's that? You voted for the Patriot Act?
Sorry, we're not united on that.

What's that? You say you voted for the Bankrupcy Bill?
Sorry, we're not united on that.

Now, do you see the problem? We disagree on some very substantive issues.

What's that? You say that you represent the mainstream Democratic Party?
Well, I disagree with that, too.

If you manage to nominate another presidential candidate in 2008, I will hold my nose and support him or her. But I feel very strongly that such a candidate will lose yet again. If you want to regain power, an opposition party has to demonstrate a difference. Otherwise you do not give the voters a reason to choose your candidate over the incumbent. In such races, the incumbent almost always wins. That's Politics 101 stuff.

So now you understand the problem. This is why many of us cannot support the Democratic Leadership Council. The problem is that you don't lead, you follow. And that will never be a winning formula.

[G_j]

8. somehow I missed your point

is this about the DLC or what?

[BlakeB]

9. Not sure if this is about the DLC or not but...

fact is, we do need to unite- whether we are DLCers or DNCers. We are all Democrats, and as such I think we need to find common ground and use that ground to stand on while fighting the radical right. The Republicans have managed to do it with a party that encompasses religious fundies, corporate interest whores, pseudo-libertarians, and Republican moderates. I think our two factions are more focused and easier to unite. If the Republicans can bring together money hungry corporate interest whores and religious fundies, two completely different groups, I think we can bring together liberal Democrats and moderate Democrats.

[Robbien]

10. The RNC had it easy

The religious wingnuts are not anti-corporatists. And many corporatists are religious wingnuts, take Frist and Delay for example.

The DLC are corporatists and anti-Progressive. Progressives are anti-corporatists and anti-DLC. There is no crossover and no middle ground.

[BlakeB]

11. The DLC is not anti-progressive.

They support corporations a bit too much for my tastes, but they are not the bad guys here. They believe in progressive values for the most part, and while their economic policies aren't to my liking, they are 100 times more progressive in that area than the Bush administration.

I'm telling you right now I'm a crossover, and there has to be others like me. And there should be more. It's ridiculous to have all this aggression towards the DLC, and vice versa for the DLC having aggression towards the DNC.

[Robbien]

13. They also support RNC foreign policies

They support the continued occupation of Iraq and carefully do not mention all the bases we are building there.

They support NED and their covert activities to keep South and Central America in unstable conditions in order for corporatists to keep control of S & CA assets.

They support keeping Cubans in a poverty state by supporting the embargo.

They do not push for African relief

They support the Byrd Amendment which takes unfair advantage of Canadian and EU trade.

and so on.

And on many domestic issues they vote with consistently with the RNC. Take the bankruptcy act and confirmation of Gonzales for example.

edit: The environmental issues. . . not even on their radar.

[Individualist]

17. I will never unite

with DLCers or anyone else who aids and abets the criminal regime in the White House.

[Stirk]

12. If you're talking about the DLC, they can join the *left* or

fuck off for all I care. We don't need unity if it means letting a bunch of Republican-lites give us a corporate-friendly message.

We did the DLC thing in 2004. The election should've been impossible to lose, but they managged to lose it. It's time for some populism, not more stealth corporatist bullshit.

[Writer]

14. Kick again...

Because I'd like to emphasize this point! ;)

[Robbien]

16. Go call NewDem Melissa Bean and tell her to unite with the party

and vote against CAFTA. She is planning to vote with the RNC on this issue even after Pelosi and Labor said they don't support that action.

She would welcome hearing from you and your wish for a unity program

1-877-SOB-U-SOB

1-866-340-9281

1-800-718-1008

[JanMichael]

18. The DLC still sucks, what's new?

That y'all can't more rich white racists to vote for DINOS?