We're out here on our own people, nobody is coming to save us

[mopaul]

they aren't sending in the cavalry to rescue us from the bandits and killers in the white house, and there are no heroes on white horses among the so called democratic leaders. we have NO representation basically, but for a small group, and it is suddenly and totally UP TO US.

no messiah or john wayne is coming to help us take back america, no leader has appeared anywhere on the horizon worth our votes, the battle is on, and our democratic generals are sipping brandy with the republican generals.

whatever happens, happens to us. and until we literally take matters into our own hands, shit will keep happening TO us, instead of FOR us.

it's our nation, it belongs to WE THE PEOPLE, and it's we the people who are ultimately responsible for saving it. hillary, joe lieberman, tom daschle and all the other appeasers and phony leaders should get out of the way now, they are irrelevant.

we can't just sit around whining, "Can't somebody do something to stop these maniacs"? or, "We'll damn sure vote em' out next time", or, "Surely things are about to get better soon". this is deliberate self hypnosis, they'll do whatever the hell they want TO us until the day we say, enough is enough, get the fuck out of our whitehouse you pigs.

[Monkie]

1. "YOU" are the leaders

10,000 people will read this site today?
if 10,000 each call 10 friends and say.
I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
and they mean it.
and they go out on the street and STAY there.
if 1 in 10 of those people called joined them,and called 10 people
and told them
I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!
and they mean it..

your government could be gone in a month

its called non-violent direct action.

[mopaul]

3. we seem to think that these people are above us, & above the law

we are under the illusion that we need leaders in a big white mansion to tell us how to live and think and they are wise and we trust them because we voted for them.

what bizarre nonsense. THEY WORK FOR US, and we should fire them.

[Monkie]

11. if the people marched,watch the "leaders" scramble to join

the mass movement and take credit...

[leveymg]

2. Okay, you've got 500,000 at the White House gates. What do we do now?

Citizens arrest?



:hide: :patriot: B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) :dunce: :+ B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) B-) :patriot: :hide: :yoiks:

x( :-( :( :o }( ;( :P :9 :* :7 O8) :evilfrown: :evilgrin: :hippie: :bounce: :mad: :eyes: :smoke: :crazy: :silly: :crazy: :think: :smoke: :eyes: :mad: :bounce: :party: :hippie: :evilgrin: O8) B-) :7 :* ;( :o :( :-( x( :-)

[mopaul]

4. you tell me

i don't have a crystal ball.

[leveymg]

9. Think I just did.

There is a process:
* Investigation
* Grand Jury
* Indictment
* Arrest
* Arraignment
* Motions
* Bail Hearing
* Motions
* Trial
* Sentencing
* Appeals

Or, there is another process:
* Polarization
* Electoral fraud
* Delegitization
* Mass mobilization
* Surveillance
* Civil disorder
* Repression
* Insurrection
* Counter-insurgency
* Civil war

I vastly prefer the former process, but I don't know whether they do.

[Burried News]

51. Your post would be the message ...

Dear Public - there are two processes, which do we prefer? Rule of law or a further escalation of 'power politics'?

[datasuspect]

5. can you say "police state?"

sorry they can do whatever the fuck they want to do and they do.

they have the power, the guns, numbers, money, and did i mention the power to incacerate you even if you don't commit a crime?

[Monkie]

8. they can only do that if you are scared

you really think American soldiers will fire on American demonstrators?
They might be able to find a few that would shoot "anarchists" but mom&pop?grandma?
And what do you think would happen when that gets shown on TV?
look at Bolivia,Ukraine,Romania
when people march governments fall

[Joy Anne]

12. Yes, I do

I remember Kent State.

[Monkie]

17. i remember kent state,4 americans died,maybe more died in Iraq

since mopaul started this thread?
If people have to die to end the war on terror,who should that be?

Is everyone going to sit at home and wait for the rest of the world to get so pissed off at America that we have a REAL world war?

Americans WILL die before this is over,they will die in Iraq and countries like it and be remembered how?

How are those people that died at kent state remembered?

[shirlden]

13. Sure they will

Two words...................Kent State.

Civilians in Iraq are being killed by, scared, poorly trained, and young Americans who fire first in self defense or what they believe is self defense. Why can't that happen here ???? Some of our police, and I say some, not all, would happily trade a rubber bullet for the real thing. It would only take one shot from a guardsman or a cop, to start real bloodshed across this country. We are all so jittery and the divide is getting deeper and wider. Our bloodiest war, was the Civil one....why can't it happen again ??????

Think about it?????????????????


:hide:

[MountainLaurel]

35. Ever hear of the Stanford experiments?

Average people follow instructions of those in authority whether or not the activity is moral or is abhorrent to the individual carrying out the task.

[marions ghost]

44. similar to the experiments (Milgram/ Yale)

where subjects were asked to give an electric shock to a victim. Different groups (psycologists, students, middle ages adults) were tested and the result was always the same..."--they always complied with the directive to administer the shocks. Even in situations that seem to be inhumane, people have great difficulty disobeying "legitimate authority." In heirarchical systems of authority, people suspend their value systems and no longer see themselves as responsible for their actions.

Therefore instead of "values" debates, it would be more profitable to look at people's attitudes about authority.

[sojourner]

77. monkie...I'm afraid you might be underestimating the degree of obedience

that the troops give their commanders - and the ability of the gov't to bring in mercenaries and foreign fighters. It's something Negroponte has experience with doing -- same with Ollie North and many others in this gov't.

History also disagrees with you. It happened in civil war, remember? It happened in Germany. It could happen here...much as I wish I could say otherwise.

[Daphne08]

80. Yes, I do.

Unfortunately, I do.

I've read some of the words of very hateful people in this country, and I have NO doubt that some of them (if they were soldiers) would fire upon people they viewed as Liberals.

"Liberal" has become a dirty word now, thanks to Rush, Bill, Sean, etc., don't you know?

The thing that really irks me is that my father and my uncle (and my great-grandfather and great-uncles) put THEIR LIVES on the line for this country so that hatemongers like Rush, et al., who've NEVER fought for America, could enjoy the freedom to spew their dangerous words.

I'm sure my veteran relatives (now all deceased) never dreamed of an America like this! :-(

[rman]

23. Several 10,000 at the gates in Venezuela was enough

to get their president back.
Though they had inside help from the palace guard that had remained loyal to Chavez.

See the docu "The revolution will not be televised"
www.chavezthefilm.com

[YapiYapo]

25. Even 5,000,000 Won't change a thing.

Sadly ,i'm not even sure 5,000,000 at the white house gate would change something.

I live in belgium, a few years ago we got a very big case of pedophilia , the dutroux story ,where high ranked official being accused.(a bit similar to the The Franklin Coverup Scandal).After one of the judge on the case was removed, 500,000 were marching in the street of brussel as a protest, (over 11.000.000 total population so basicaly 5%).Despite the politician being scared by this ,this didn't change anytging,of course many good promise were made by politician but the investigation on the link with high ranked official was quickly abandon by the new judge.We will probably never know the truth.

This is always the same tactic used, when cornered,they fake to understand the concern of the population make good promise then just wait, as people have to go on with their live and start to loose interest and motivation.

It's a worlwide problem,many people in europe feel the same : powerless.

[marions ghost]

46. interesting

I didn't know about that demonstration in Belgium. Yes, it seems that "protests in the streets" makes no difference to politicians who just try to ride it out, which is especially easy if they have support from the police and military.

But demonstrations are still very good for VISIBILITY--for group solidarity and for attracting others to the cause. They can be very empowering for the participants, more like pep rallies to keep the spirits up for the real work which happens behind the scenes. So protests are still very important as a show of numbers, and a show of resolve.

[wli]

76. bad news

The police state tactics were preparation for massive civil disturbances. They're prepared to mass imprison around 20 million or so as I understand it, and are possibly expanding that. Half a million will be rounded up and gotten rid of in the blink of an eye.

[Greyhound]

6. Things aren't bad enough yet, and by the time they are...

the guilty will be long gone. It was a nice ride. :eyes:

[katinmn]

7. You're right.

Unfortunately, too many of our fellow citizens still support the PResident because he brought his fake faith in God into the White House.

They like being lied to. It's easier. And they can't act against God.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. "There ain't no Jesus, gonna come from the sky -

"The day I found out, I knew I could cry." - John Lennon

Even Lennon ain't coming for us.

[demnan]

14. It does seem hopeless, doesn't it?

But I'm still going to the Protest in September where there will be masses in the streets of D.C. and only C-Span will cover it.

[DanCa]

15. Did you ever stop and notice that since Chris Revees passed away

The world keeps shifting more and more to the right? Yep the Chimp killed Superman via outlawing stem cell, than stole the election than everything else has been rolling down hill. Rest in peace chris I miss you.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

81. No. But now that you mention it!

:tinfoilhat: :hide: :tinfoilhat:

[Al-CIAda]

16. .

[H2O Man]

18. Good.

Andrea: "Unhappy is the land that breeds no hero."

Galileo: "No, Andrea. 'Unhappy is the land that needs a hero.' "

-- Bertolt Brecht; Galileo

We don't need "heroes." We need to reach a higher level of maturity, rather than dwell in extended childhood dependence, hoping for a "big person" to put training wheels on democracy so we can feel safe. Fuck that. Let's play the hand we have been dealt, and play it with gusto.

[burythehatchet]

31. extended childhood dependence

You may find the book Sibling Society, Robert Bly interesting. I'm not very well read but I have found this book and his Iron John to be quite profound.

[Mairead]

42. Damn that's EXCELLENT!

That's the best summation I've heard in I can't think how long. Thank you!

You've got it nailed to the wall in big letters: we need to stop waiting for grown-ups to put training wheels on democracy so we can feel safe. We need to be the grown-ups.

And nothing will get better til we do.

[ninkasi]

70. Great post...

H20 man writes "We don't need "heroes." We need to reach a higher level of maturity, rather than dwell in extended childhood dependence, hoping for a "big person" to put training wheels on democracy so we can feel safe. Fuck that. Let's play the hand we have been dealt, and play it with gusto."

That made me think about yesterday's posts, especially the ones concerning the DLC, and Hillary suggesting we start taking a tougher stance, one which will make Americans feel that they are being protected from terrorism.

Well, the larger our military, and the more belligerent our stance, the more terrorist retaliation will occur. So...we need to begin by getting out of Iraq. Refuse to enlist. Do everything you can to encourage others to refuse. We can support our military by getting them back home.

Instead of trying to be all squishy middle of the road types who borrow ideas from Republicans and come up with some dreadful concoction which calls itself a Democrat, and takes the worst of Republican ideas, and brews up some awful swill that nobody wants, we lose. For example, many of our Democrat DLC types are trying to soften their stance on being pro-choice, as though that will encourage undecided voters to vote for them.That's pure bullshit, when poll after poll has shown that the majority of Americans, while not exactly being in favor of abortion, also want to keep Roe vs. Wade intact.

What, then, is gained by taking a Republican stance on an issue which will only piss off the Democratic base, and is not going to gain any die-hard conservatives? This is only showing weakness, and a general air of not standing for anything.We can start by using our donations wisely...refuse to fund the weak centrists, and give to Dems brave enough to fight for what we believe in. Get involved in politics in our own communities, starting with school boards, and any other office you think will make a difference.

By sitting around wringing our hands and moaning that we don't have anybody strong enough to save us, what clearer signal could we give to the American public that if the Democratic Party can't get it's act together enough to keep it's own party members feeling strong, what possible chance does it have of helping create a strong country?

I believe that if we start demanding of our politicians that they represent our ideals, our ideas, and our concerns, and making them do it, that will show the cons and the world that the citizens who are members of the Democratic Party stand for something, believe in certain ideals, and are willing to stand up for their beliefs.

Nobody is going to lead us if we whine and complain, but vote for them anyway, because they aren't quite as bad as the alternative. More Barbara Boxers and John Conyers, please. Howard Dean has showed, time after time, that when we show courage, and take charge of our own party, the response is positive. So...no training wheels, lets show we not only don't need training wheels, we can be Lance Armstrongs, all on our own.

[pointblank]

19. I sometimes fear it is too late.

yes, I live in the midwest...St Louis...but I see and meet so many more repuke, Bush sheep than I do on our side...so many 'W' car stickers, almost ALL radio is right wing dribble...The most popular station in town, for talk anyway, is an FM talk station. Here is there lineup roughly:

-Local repuke talk host for the morning drive.

-Laura "I wish I was Ann Coulter" Ingraham

-Glen "Fuckstick" Beck

-Insannity

-Token afternoon drive funny guy

-Insannity AGAIN

-Savage

-America at night


Last night in class I was devastated to learn that my professor, who is one of my favorite I've ever had in the last ten years and I would have put bet money was politically intelligent, is a repuke. He made a 'Gore is an idiot comment' and then started laughing and saying that he didn't mean to let that slip.

I am discouraged. I think that it may be too late for us. If Hilary really is going to run in 08, IMO it really is over. Think of the fodder that would give all of those talk hosts I mentioned above. Insannity is ALREADY starting the assault on her for 08...Listen to him sometime on the radio and you'll hear him say exactly that.

Maybe the only way to true happiness is to assimilate. *sarcasm*

[nookiemonster]

20. Fuck yeah! I hate 97.1!

It's ridiculous. Our little blue city is being overrrun by cretins in our western suburbs.

:grr:

[pointblank]

21. What do you think of Dave Glover? (the token afternoon funny guy)

I actually can tolerate him and find him funny, but he sometimes leans to the right a bit too much.

IMO he does that because he is on that station and is under pressure to walk the line...Sometimes he gets pretty crude, way too crude for your average repuke....Thats when I like him!

[nookiemonster]

24. Glove is the only one that is.....somewhat....tolerable

He does lean to the right but seems to have a resistive nature. Has to be a bitch to deal with all the RW nutjobs and still be objective.

Then again, it's supposed to be a funny show. I accept it is as that.

P.S. No one else knows WTF we're talking about. :wtf:

[burythehatchet]

32. Only now do I understand the expression

Ignorance is bliss.

[rman]

22. "we are the people we've been waiting for"

- June Jordan, poet and activist

[mopinko]

26. be there or be square

we the people need to take back our government. even tho people are telling us that citizenship- actually paying attention to what our government is doing, and thinking that we deserve the truth, and thinking that we are in charge- is crazy. i know i am not the only one who is hearing this. but it is we the people.

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

but we are doing a service to democracy by bitching, and telling the truth, in a public forum. that is the minimum duty of a citizen, and as long as the truth is spoken and believed, there is still hope.
peace

[il_lilac]

27. we can not wait for someone

you are right to say we are not about to get rescued. I hear so much fear from people. "What can we do? No one will listen". We do need to bring millions into the streets and take back our country. I WILL be in DC 9/24 in hopes of being seen and heard. I will have my four kids with me. I will not be afraid.

[nashville_brook]

28. seems to me like everyone has given up -- like something on the horizon

is bigger than legislation, rights, the economy and life as usual. one little "terrast" attack and we'll be NUKING iran. nevermind if they had anything to do with this imagined attack.

and what IS cheney building under the VP's residence?

i feel deep down inside the evil mf's have been playing for this endgame since i was a child.

[Lannes]

29. I havent totally given up on the Dems yet

06' might be our last chance to put the brakes on this crazy train.They have been taking in record numbers in fundraising so far this year.If they actually use it to take back congress there might be some hope.I havent given up on them yet but Im damn close to it.

If there isnt already it would be nice to see the slate of democratic,independent,and other party candidates by state at DU so we can moblize and try to take congress back.

[Felix Mala]

30. In fact, I think the rest of the world is looking to us to bring an end

to this dangerous chapter in American history. We have to be organized, united and make our voices heard in a way that actually changes the power structure of the US government. Otherwise, we're similar to the Germans who opposed Hitler but failed to do anything about it.

[info being]

34. I'm living in Eastern Europe, and that's probably nonsense

People are not looking on wishing any such thing. It is your life and it is up to you.

[Lannes]

36. Are you an ex-pat info being?

How do you like living there? Quality of life etc..? Who knows,if the sh#t hits the fan I may move elsewhere.

[info being]

37. I love it. My quality of life is better.

If you're curious, you can read about it at my blog: http://www.anotherdreamer.net

Both my wife and I kept our jobs and work over DSL and VoIP. American salary with Eastern European prices.

But this is all a culmination of many years of planning and preparing. My wife is from here also, so I'm automatically plugged into things.

[Lannes]

38. Congrats Info being

Im happy for you.I spent part of my childhood in europe so moving wouldnt be too much of a shock to the system so to speak.

If we lose our last remaining freedoms Im probably going to look elsewhere.Eastern Europe is on the list.I just want to find a country that is friendly or at least tolerant of American ex-pats.


Checked out your webite.Cool stuff,your wife is a hottie! Lucky man.

[info being]

39. Everyone seems tolerant if you're polite and intelligent

I'm in Slovakia.

[Lannes]

41. I try to be both

but dont always succeed.Im no freeper thats for sure.

[Monkie]

49. its good to read people are moving to eastern-europe for freedom

oh beautiful ironies :P
what would Americans have said to that 10-15 years ago? :D

[earth mom]

55. Info Being-I liked your blog...

and enjoyed the photos. My grandparents on my moms side were from Czechoslovakia and the Ukraine. Seeing your blog and photos made me realize that perhaps there are alternative places to escape from this madness here in the U.S. besides Canada or Ireland which were on my list. Thanks! :)

[info being]

73. You can stay on my couch anytime :)

[earth mom]

82. That is too kind of you! Thanks! :) nt

[marions ghost]

50. yes we should not think small

ultimately it will come down to changing the power structure.

[info being]

33. That's why we need to live our lives

Each of our lives should shed a beacon of light on a dark and brutish world...not to illuminate that which is ugly but to create new beauty and truth.

[Sparkman]

43. Revolution notwithstanding, the education of EVERYONE we touch will have

a powerful effect. Look at how fast the public turned on Iraq. Vietnam took longer to sour in Joe Sixpack's palate. Those in power have chosen to abuse and exploit, as usual, and they have a much easier time of putting out their propaganda than we do. UNLESS we take our politics like a HOBBY and embrace the lifestyle. If you've ever known a successful business, it's a full time life envolvement. Well, that's easy to do if you love the game. REMEMBER it's not just a job for us, BUT IT IS JUST A JOB FOR THE RW PROPAGANDISTS who are overpaid, which is their MOTIVATION because THAT's ALL THEY GET OUT OF IT, they don't have truth and righteousnous on their side.
If we want to impact the money dominated U.S. culture, keep true to the cause of exposing LIES, TREASON & FASCISM and the kids and the non-connected will come to us when they experience the cycle.
People are cycle driven, you've got to have the info, then the energy and the opportunity, which all comes into alignment in time.
In the words of Charles W. Morgan,a great Pacifica activist, PERSEVERE

[ArkDem]

40. Watch out for Foxy Woxy!

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[marions ghost]

48. oh please

this divisiveness is crap. Dean an extremist? I don't think so. Actually I think giving the Repukes a real fight IS working. You need to consider coming over to our side. That "comfy moderate spot" for Hillary--sure...go ahead with that losing strategy...see ya

[fooj]

56. Extremists? If wanting my democracy back is considered extremism...

then so be it. As for the "finesse" you are speaking of...isn't it interesting that the DLC is nothing but a spin-off of those corporate hacks you refer to? Rove has finesse? Hmmmm...
I always viewed his behavior as divisive and diabolical. Looks like all of the repubs "finesse" may land them in the pokey. LOL!

BTW- don't think Hillary needs much grooming...after all, she, politically, seems to be the only one left standing after the Repubs displayed that so called "finesse" with her husband.


Peace. (and good luck with your "finesse" training. I prefer honor and integrity, myself)

[ck4829]

60. Extremists?

Maybe you should visit Free Republic, talk to Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, 'dr.' Paul Cameron, James Dobson, visit the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family, etc.

THEY are the Extremists.

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[ck4829]

64. Far Right - OK? Far Left - Not OK?

So it's OK to be a Nazi but not a Liberal?

You also changed the subject, aren't the people and groups I mentioned Extremists?

If they aren't the extremists then I am actually a Freeper.

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[ck4829]

66. They aren't centrists!

I respect moderates, I like Goldwater type Conservatives, I am no Extremist. I am upset that these people who ARE of the Far Right are in power, and if that makes me an Extremist then I gladly accept the title.

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[ck4829]

69. "But they are taking a centrist platform to win elections"

Please don't tell me that you are falling for their tactics. This is exactly what people like Ralph Reed did. They only act like Centrists and then they enact their RW Agenda.

You have heard of Ralph Reed and Steve Baldwin's Stealth strategy, right?

If you want to believe that they are Centrists, that's fine by me.

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[pitohui]

47. so what do you suggest

millions protested the war, the protest was ignored, i could go on with endless examples, we're doing our part already, nobody is just sitting around whining

[Burried News]

52. 500 Thousand people marching down PA ave, absolutely silent

except for a band with lots of drums playing the funeral march used at John Kennedy's funeral.
We can't figure out what to say ... say nothing.
Will they fire shots at a funeral? Don't think so.

[Burried News]

53. We are in mourning aren't we? Then say so.

Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth ...

[Burried News]

54. Waiting for the worms - Pink Floyd

http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/waiting-for-worms-wall-lyrics.html
Waiting for the Worms (Waters) 3:56

"Eins, zwei, drei, alle!"

Ooooh, you cannot reach me now
Ooooh, no matter how you try
Goodbye, cruel world, it's over
Walk on by.

Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come.
In perfect isolation here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come.

We're {waiting to succeed} and going to convene outside Brixton
Town Hall where we're going to be...

Waiting to cut out the deadwood.
Waiting to clean up the city.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to put on a black shirt.
Waiting to weed out the weaklings.
Waiting to smash in their windows
And kick in their doors.
Waiting for the final solution
To strengthen the strain.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to turn on the showers
And fire the ovens.
Waiting for the queens and the coons
and the reds and the jews.
Waiting to follow the worms.

Would you like to see Britannia
Rule again, my friend?
All you have to do is follow the worms.
Would you like to send our colored cousins
Home again, my friend?

All you need to do is follow the worms.

The Worms will convene outside Brixton Bus Station. We'll be moving along at about 12 o'clock down Stockwell Road {.... ......} {Abbot's Road } {.....} twelve minutes to three we'll be moving along Lambeth Road towards Vauxhall Bridge. Now when we get to the other side of Vauxhall Bridge we're in Westminster {Borough } area. It's quite possible we may encounter some {.....} by the way we go. {... ..}."

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

57. When in the Course of human events

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[Burried News]

61. Roger that Dallas.

Pink Floyd - The Trial

http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/the-trial-wall-lyrics.html
"The evidence before the court is
Incontrivertable, there's no need for
The jury to retire.
In all my years of judging
I have never heard before
Of someone more deserving
Of the full penaltie of law.
The way you made them suffer,
Your exquisite wife and mother,
Fills me with the urge to defecate!

"Hey Judge! Shit on him!"

Since, my friend, you have revealed your
Deepest fear,
I sentence you to be exposed before
Your peers.
Tear down the wall!"

[Burried News]

58. A State funeral for the Republic. So simple. So much how we feel.

We feel like we're dead? Well then let's get busy dying. We're dead men walking then let's do it collectively - it's more efficient that way and efficiency is what the Empire is all about isn't it. The other side wants to capitalize on our fear of death ... OK play it out in mock theater.

[mod mom]

59. John Conyers is my hero (and I share him w millions). He is a lone

voice of reason in thisf-ed up world. I believe he is working his way through the peaceful methods he learned during the civil rights era. I feel totally frustrated most of the time, remembering those who are paying a heavier price than me. I have closed my business of 17 years to become a full time activist-pushing forward an agenda of election reform and peaceful civil disobedience.

I teach my young children to fight for what is right not by violence but through peaceful means. I am finally feeling some confidence that there are forces working to bring down these evil neocons. Still, I am ashamed by the actions of those in charge of the government and those who blindly follow them.

[faithnotgreed]

71. yes~ conyers is a true leader

though not one with much power unfortunately
but he is ever much a hero to me as well and clearly one of the very few who actually gives a damn

heres to mr conyers

[newportdadde]

63. People aren't hurting enough to take action.

They simply aren't going to take the risk for what the perceive at this point to be a very limited reward. They aren't watching everyone starve yet. The first thing we all care about is basic needs, food, shelter. As long as most of us get enough to get those things there will be no revolution and no change.

We may be on the path to having those basic needs distrupted but right now we aren't there yet. I still see droves of people treking to the lake on Friday more then glad to stuff gas into a boat that costs over twice to fuel what it was a few years ago. When I drive home from a visit with the family I see ever restaurant packed with people eating steaks etc. Walmart at freaking 9pm on Sat packed with people buying crap from China.

Now its possible and I really do believe we are living on borrowed time but it takes awhile to play out. Before it took two jobs, now it takes that and creative financing to maintain the Joneses. But signs are there, Ford/GM desperately trying to move cars. Banks coming up with insane financing to move loans etc... Still we are a ways away. Of course we have random events, another attack, maybe gas soaring to 5 bucks a barrellel etc that could hasten that. A nuke would change all and rapidly.

Right now I see our economy slowly winding down. The boomers will retire, high paying jobs will slough off. GDP will slow as both workers and HUGE consumers(boomers) exit the stage. Gradually over the course of decades you will see the standard of living lower for Americans as those offshore raise up to meet somewhere in the middle.

My Generation, around 30 will take over, all those kids who ran non-stop under a socker mom will become the moms and dads, how will they govern.. how would they react to 15% interest? They have never seen it, its just a story our Mom and Dads tell us. Offshoring is tearing down oppurtunities around us for people my age.. will we move towards protectionism when we take power.. will we just join in? How will the Ipod, joy-joy, SUV riding raised with flush cash low interest rate, kids of the late 90s/post 911 gen handle things?

Changes like this take a lot of time, reading Diamonds "Collapse" has been really interesting. I think the premise I've taken from it is, each civilization that has died out, in its hay-day never thought they would stop. Then over decades and centuries they were gone. Perhaps this time it will be more rapid but we are still a long way from a massive group of people taking action.

[wiggs]

68. March to kick off crushing economic boycott

I would march. But I'm not sure what it does if it is not televised generally and if the media downplays the number participating. A march is easily blown off and quickly forgotten.

If the media downplays the event, the politicians will too.

A march with pitchforks and torches would be something I'd like to see, but an angry mob bent on upsetting the apple cart will always lose to a stronger police and military.

But if a march garners attention to the beginning of a larger effort, a focused, economic boycott, then the effects might be longer lasting and more effective. This country runs on consumerism. Organize a worldwide boycott on jobs and discretionary spending for a week and see what happens.....

Something has to be done. If we let the system find its own political or legal solution, it will find a pathway that preserves the core problems and preserves the system. We may see temporary relief, but the money and power will again find a candidate, a system, a way to resume concentration of wealth and power any way it can. Media regulation, lobbying and campaign reform, election/voting reform, judicial balance all have to be part of the solution, yet those in power usually have little interest in them. Even our opposition party is hardly working hard on those.

Reform will have to be forced by the people.

[info being]

74. Thank you for inspiring my post on life flourishing

We are creating a new reality right here, right now.

[leftofthedial]

75. to the barricades!

[dogday]

78. It sure would help if we had a couple of Democratic

Senators who had some nads the size of Texas. Without their help and say, I don't see how we are going to do what we need to do. Sometimes I wonder what in the heck they are doing....

[EnfantTerrible]

79. Vaclav Havel had this to say:

"When a person tries to act in accordance with his conscience, when he tries to speak the truth, when he tries to behave like a citizen, even in conditions where citizenship is degraded, it won't necessarily lead anywhere, but it might. There's one thing, however, that will never lead anywhere, and that is speculating that such behavior will lead somewhere."


From the mouth of someone who knows about speaking truth to power and fascilitating change.