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[eileen_d]

1. Hypocrisy, for sure

"Hollywood elites should stay OUT of politics... except this guy!"

:eyes:

[Crembulet]

6. At least Arnold

is running for some office. Why can't Democrat celebs do this? Then they could make even more of a difference.

[caledesi]

11. Arnold has NO business, I repeat NO business running for any

political office. He is as dumb as a box of rocks, and won't debate because he knows it. "I am for da peeple of Calee-forn-ea."

He drives a Hummer. Hello? Isn't there a problem here?

The Repug crowd reminds me of the OJ jury...they could have seen a video of OJ murdering Nicole and would still defend him.

[AmeriCanadian]

26. Neither does the *hole Davis

... He ruined the State.

... Hopefully, Bustamante will win and change things for the better. At least he has promised to raise taxes, give illegal aliens drivers' licenses and remove all guns from law abiding citizens.

[caledesi]

28. I think there will be a big NO on the recall.

Hope The Terminator likes 'em scrambled.

[efhmc]

35. I don't live in Califonia but I am pretty sure that Davis did not single

handedly ruin the state. I would give Enron and other energy companies and the bush economic downturn (fall) at least a nice hunk of that credit.

[caledesi]

40. Beat me to it ef...there is where the REAL problem is!

[AmeriCanadian]

42. Nevertheless ...

... He is gone, time to look forward

[caledesi]

46. Not so fast....I think there will be a NO on the recall. JMO.

[leesa]

67. You are wrong. Wilson drafted the deregulation that allowed

Cheney, Ken Lay and Bush to steal billions in the energy scam. How is that Davis' doing? He tried to right that wrong and the WH blocked him. Quit believing the lying mainstream media!

[LoZoccolo]

72. There was speculation that...

...Arnold was going to run in the next election anyways, against Rob "Meat Head" Reiner.

[imax2268]

74. If he wins...

he will be a repub puppet just like Chimpy...

[salin]

2. Also considering the way they viewed Clinton - and blamed it on his

reputation for womanizing. The reputation of Arnold far surpasses that of Clinton.

Put the two together for the RushRepublicans - a candidate who doesn't represent their views, with a HUGE womanizing problem. :shrug:

[JI7]

8. and a big difference

clinton also respected women as equals. i keep thinking of how arnold kept shouting down arianna and it just goes with everything else he has said about them. clinton never talked in disgusting ways like that. he likes to listen and speak on issues with women also. in fact clinton not speaking about his private life says something positive about him in my opinion. and i say this as a female.

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[eileen_d]

14. Welcome to DU, "Crembulet"

Are you French? :evilgrin:

[Crembulet]

16. No

I'm not really politically active either. I see a lot of problems with the Democrats and Republicans.

[efhmc]

37. So are you here to do what, learn?

[caledesi]

43. Beat me to it ef...we are on the same wavelengths tonight!

Yeah, to put it bluntly, "If you are not political, what are you doing here?"

[JI7]

22. yes i watched the debates

and i watched how arnolds ass kept shouting down arianna and not letting her make her point. the others didn't do that. they let he rmake her point first and then responded. and bill clinton may be a womanizer, but women wanted him also,a nd he is also supportive of women making it in the world unlike asshole arnold who shouted down arianna. bill clinton never shouted down women like that and he wouldn't as he is a real man who does n't need to do shit like that to feel like a man. same reason he does n't go around talking loud about his private life like arnold does.

[Crembulet]

25. Arianna was making a point?

Now I know you didn't watch the debate lol. Please, if calling Ann Coulter a bitch is allowed and encourage here, it should be the same for Huffington. She is a famewhore who does anything for publicity. And how do you know women didn't want Arnold as well?

[efhmc]

39. Those who are enamored of fame and fake muscles and

women as toys should be quite fond of him.

[caledesi]

47. ROTFLMAO! Now that is funny!

[JI7]

55. ann coulter IS fucking bitch

arianna is not. it was a debate and anytime arianna was about to say something critical of arnold his ass kept shouting her down. cruz bustamante, and mcclintock never shouted her down like that. they responded to her points. arnold is too fucking stupid to debate actual issues so he just tried to keep her from exposing his ass. and then comes out with some shitty line about wanting her in a movie.

[efhmc]

61. Yeah, the big manly man could not take the woman as a adversary.

So he will put her in her place, one of his movies where he can kill her using his script.

[caledesi]

62. Ann Coulter is not a bitch; she is insane.

[mitchtv]

24. Atianna said what needed to be said

she was great and i don't support her

[caledesi]

31. Arianna is smart as hell, but ol' Ahnold had such a "cute script"

"I want you in my next movie." <now, that's intelligence for you>

[Crembulet]

3. Uh

couldn't Republicans say the same thing about Democrats supporting Zell Miller and other Democrats who vote for Republicans most of the time? Not all Republicans are bible-thumpers you know. I'm sure there are many in California that don't care that Arnold is a social liberal.

[Hawkeye-X]

73. Well.. most of us in DU doesn't support Zell Miller

and he's retiring next year, so Georgia has to ask Cleland to take Zell's spot and start embarassing the hell out of Saxby Chambliss, which IMHO is an joke for a Repukkklican, and will be thrown out in 2006.

Hawkeye-X

[JI7]

4. arnold is another bush

he has people who handle him and will make sure he pushes a vile agenda under the cover of "compassion". i personally would vote for mcclintock over arnold if those two were the only ones running. but you are right, the republicans, especially the top ones who care more about power and being "part of the scene" are desperate and would do just about anything to get statewide office. mcclintock doesn't have many friends among other politicians. only 2 have endorsed him from the legislature, and they don't even know him personally. it's mostly based on issues. mcclintock spends most of his time with his family when not at work. even at work rather than go to the floor to give speeches or talk to media, he spends most of the times studying bills and writing ones himself. one can say he is the non politician in the race depending on how you view "politician".

[jrthin]

5. As if we needed MORE proof?

nt

[Solomon]

10. Exactly.

How much "absolute truth" do we need?

[caledesi]

7. Of course! And don't forget Bruce Willis in Iraq....

Arnold:
At freeperville, you wouldn't believed the hypocrisy regarding Arnold, "excusing" him by saying "all that stuff was in the past."
He is now a devoted husband to M Shriver and they have been married for years!!! Hello? He has been screwing around on her since when?

Bruce Willis:

Oh, isn't it wonderful that Bruce Willis is in Iraq, but when Sean Penn went...all hell broke out. "Those Hollywood types...what do they know?"

There "Hollywood" argument is painfully transparent. As long as the star is Repug...it's okay, even if he does make VIOLENT movies.

Remember Ronald Raygun and Nancy were actors.

[mitchtv]

12. Bruce Willis:

someone here last week posted that Bruce was seen at anti recall relly with Jack Nicholson. Is something happening?

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[caledesi]

29. Neither did Sean Penn. Where is the link?

That is such an absurd comment? How the hell ever said SH was nice?


And you know what? Sean and the rest of the world were right about this FAKE war. Troops dying every day for what, for what?

Where are the WMDs? Remember CondiLIEzza Rice and the "mushroom cloud?" Lies, all lies....all the big PNAC scheme.

Well it didn't quite work out like they planned, er, didn't plan, did it? No victory here!

And what pisses me off, is the next president will be stuck with all this shit that * created.

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[caledesi]

56. Let's get serious about Iraq?

Why the sudden "concern" about the Iraqi people? The repugs are a "salesperson's dream." Why? Because of the "bait and switch" by *. All we heard about over and over ad nauseaum was we must disarm SH bec of WMD. Rememeber the "mushroom clouds..<scare, scare>, the reconstituted weapons...ala Cheney on MTP..hell, I could go on.

Then when WMD weren't found, we were told to be patient, even though these thugs weren't patient with the inspectors. Then when they STILL weren't found, suddenly our reason was to remove this evil dictator, <mass graves, gassing his people, blah, blah>...talk about creating a sensation? Puhleeze....Where did they get all these weapons from? Oh, now I remember, the good ol' USA.

Why Iraq? There are other horrible dictators doing all kinds of stuff and have weapons that didn't come from the good ol' USA. Remember, that EVIL, EVIL man was our "friend" during the Gulf War I.


Rummy shaking hands with his friend, "The Butcher of Baghdad."

I remember Vietnam and this is beginning to look quite similar. You occupy a country with troops and weapons when the PEOPLE <no, not the Baaths> have a nationalistic resolve to wear down the occupiers. Happened in Vietnam and it will happen in Iraq if the UN and NATO don't intervene.

Things are horrible in Iraq right now. If things were good, don't you think we would be seeing those wondergful shot on TV every night? Funny, how we don't see them.

The Iraqi people don't want us there. What part of "Get the F*ck out don't you understand?"

[caledesi]

45. Where is the link that shows that Sean Penn said SH was a kind man?

Please, if you are going to say that, show the evidence.

[AmeriCanadian]

13. I don't think so, I think it's their absolute hatred towards ...

... Liberals


... Grrrrrr

[Kanola]

15. Definitely agree

The repugs voting for McClintock (loathe his policies) are at least being honest conservatives. Arnie's policies are closer to my own and I consider myself socially quite Liberal! I will not vote that ego inflated dim wit like some of these "ahem" repugs who were so aghast over Clinton's behavior. After their votes for Arnie they can shut the hell up about Clinton forever. Shameless hypocrites

[caledesi]

34. Ahnold's a real "class act"

Schwarzenegger's Sex Talk - Oui Mag
In 1977 interview, actor spoke of orgies, drugs, and homosexuality
AUGUST 27--Arnold Schwarzenegger once told a magazine interviewer about participating in an orgy with other bodybuilders, noting that "everybody jumped on" the woman involved and "took her upstairs where we all got together." The California Republican added that not every muscleman participated in the gang bang, "just the guys who can fuck in front of other guys. Not everybody can do that. Some think that they don't have a big-enough cock, so they can't get a hard-on."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/arnoldoui1.html

What do we tell the children? Where is the outrage? Did Bill Clinton EVER speak this way? Uh, no.

[mitchtv]

17. Since Arnold is a Doper

should we be demanding mass amnesty if he gets elected for all marijuana "crimes"?

[caledesi]

33. Yeah, don't they do a background check on these people?

[mitchtv]

19. wil he tell the children not to use steroids?

does he really have a pig valve inis heart? he never told us. what the fix was, I canguess why.

[Monte Carlo]

20. Power and Order first, principles can follow...

... that has been the folly of leaders throughout history. You cannot build a house on a swamp.

[bearfartinthewoods]

21. yup

[Redneck Socialist]

23. hmmm...interesting question

If by "Republican support..." you mean the republican party and the movers and shakers within the party I would say they are motivated by a desire to win and are willing to compromise on a number of levels to get one of their own into power. Arnold may not be a perfect republican, but most important thing is that he is a republican.

Let's turn it around. If Leiberman were to somehow win the nomination I would hold my nose and vote for him even though it would mean compromising on a skyscraper full of levels. I don't think that makes me power hungry or a hypocrite. I does mean that I am pretty desperate to win and I think THAT is a very good description of the republicans in California. Having control of the Govenors office in that state would give them some leverage come the general election and that is something they would really like to have.

[Crembulet]

27. Exactly

some people here don't seem to understand that in politics, winning is everything.

[Democat]

30. Some people don't understand?

Seems like a hell of a lot of Democrats don't understand that losers have no power in politics.

The hypocrisy of Republicans supporting Arnold of McClintock is still astonishing.

We should never have to hear about right wing "family values" or Christian "morals" from Republicans again after their support of Arnold.

[efhmc]

49. Or in the case of the repukes, not winning and declaring that you did.

[liberalmuse]

50. It must frustrate the Republicans...

not to be able to win--fairly, that is. Thus, they have to promote recalls, redistricting, impeachments, dumbass 'brand name' puppets for politcal positions and not to mention their push for electronic voting without a paper trail. What I don't understand is, why the pretense? Why don't they just cut the crap and start waving the swastika, put on their brownshirts, roam the streets and start hitting liberals over the head with bottles already? Like it would shock anyone.

[caledesi]

63. LM - Great post!

[caledesi]

38. Yeah, but you are missing something important here....

The Repugs are always touting their "family values" and constantly REMINDING the Dems and others how superior to the Dems they are morally.

So it's hypocritical to support Ahnold.

Hey, I might not like Lieberman, but at least he's "clean."

[Crembulet]

41. So you are telling me

that you wouldn't vote for Larry Flynt if he was the only Democrat going up against a Republican governor?

[noiretextatique]

52. flynt is no arnold

larry flynt actually HAS a brain.

[caledesi]

58. I am an Independent and would not vote for Flynt. I would vote

NO on the recall. <if I could vote>

[Redneck Socialist]

51. On that you're right

I guess since I dismiss that rhetoric out of hand I did not approach the question on those terms.

[Devil Dog Dem]

32. Yes!

There is no way repugs actually think Arnold is the best person to be Gov of California. They just want someone who they think can win.

[caledesi]

59. You got it DDD. Very good!

If Charlie Manson was running as a Repug, they would vote for him.

[SoCalDem]

48. Put a (D) after Ahhhhnold's name and

watch them backpedal.. These ideologues are so hooked on the koolaid, that they will do whatever their leader tells them..:(

[efhmc]

54. You know I have actually given this some thought and I really could

not support Arnold if he were running as a Dem. (Thank goodness he knows what party he belongs in.) Most of my reason is that I think he is continuing the mockery of our democratic process that was started by rove here in Texas and is spreading across the entire country. The commercialization and consumerism of politics taken to its highest (or lowest) level.

[caledesi]

60. SCD...you got me thinking here.

I think it would be a real kick in the ass, if AFTER Ahnold was elected, he suddenly switched to Dem.

I have thought about this theory, however lame it may sound, bec I just couldn't imagine Maria Shriver going for this.

I wonder if she gave ol' Ahnold the ultimatium. "Yeah, you can run and I will support you, but once you WIN, you are switching."

HA! HA!

I would love it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. absophuckinglutely! Arnold belongs in a Jean M. Auel novel

Arnold: Drov, from the first hearth. Being trained to become next leader. Drov is 9 years old, an enthusiastic "little Hunter' who prefers spending time with the man of his hearth and the other hunters.("pumping instead of cumming") His totem was discovered to be the woolly rhinocerous, and the animal seems to suit him. He is stubborn, always pushes to get his way, and demands attention.

[efhmc]

57. The wooly rhinocerous? Too clever.

[JDStutts]

64. It is all about taking down Davis.

The repukes would vote for Davis himself if he had an R next to his name and they thought he could win. They will lie, cheat, and steal to win. Winning is everything to them. You can ask Vice President Gore about that. We better wake up to that fact before Nov 2004.

[efhmc]

65. Amen to that!

[efhmc]

66. I see that our disruptor is gone and while it was clear what he was, it

was my first time to be involved in such an event and it was very interesing. I have to say that I enjoyed the exchange. I think we will have more and more of these events as "we" become more and more of a threat. Still it never hurts to examine ones thoughts and ideas and to have them put to the test. The whole concept you have brought up about supporting anyone in order to gain power is very thought provoking.

[populistmom]

68. Of course it is

It's simple and I've been saying it for months.
Arnie is simply a neocon puppet boy there to slide in some people to help fix the national election. It's not that hard to figure out. WHere they can't win, they cheat.

[jmowreader]

69. No, it's absolute proof of their desperation

If they all fall in behind someone who's like them--McClintock or Issa, for instance--they get stomped. Bad.

And they know it.

Their only hope of pulling this off is to go with someone who's not all that Republican. And Arnold has name recognition, a mysterious accent, and more money than Scrooge McDuck. If he gets elected, they can issue him "advisors" who are only slightly to the right of Ari Fleischer, but all that comes after Arnold is elected.

[Democat]

71. Cheney's team is advising Arnold already

There is a thread in one of the other DU forums about some of Cheney's advisors who are now working for Arnold.

[janekat]

70. agree wholeheartedly.... they're WHORES....

[Imajika]

75. Oh my

"Is Repubs' support for Arnold absolute proof of their lack of principle?"

The Republicans will vote for virtually ANYONE with an R after his or her name who has a chance to knock off Davis. They'd rather vote for a die-hard conservative Republican, but they might have learned that such a candidate won't fly in California at the moment.

Republican voters are being pragmatic. That's called smart politics.

How is what the GOP is doing in supporting Arnold any different than many Democrats beating the Wesley Clark drum before they even had any idea what he actually thinks about virtually anything?

The motto "anyone but Bush" means precisely that. So long as Bush looks difficult to beat, many Democrats will flock to anyone with a D after his or her name that might have a chance of removing Bush from the White House. Sure, they'd rather have a commited liberal, but if they sense that sort of candidate isn't electable they will happily support someone they know little to nothing about. You know it, I know it, and I'd bet most people here know it to. The Republicans are doing the same exact thing in California. Only for them, it's "anyone but Davis".

I can't blame them. I'd probably do the same. I am not a Wesley Clark fan, but if I thought he was the only Democrat that could win, well I'd be on the Clark bandwagon in a heartbeat. That is not a lack of principle, it's smart politics.

Imajika

[Democat]

76. Some people can't resist bashing Democrats, no matter what the thread

Comparing Clark to Arnold? What a joke.

On one hand you praise Republicans for pulling together to try to win an election, on the other you bash Clark (a Democrat) by comparing him to Arnold.