The DLC is whining about all the criticism from Progressive blogs yesterda

[Robbien]

They want us to fall in line behind their support of "Shock and Awe" bombing of Iraq just so that we can remove one man from office. Sure drop tons of bombs on a country where millions of Iraqis are living because we no longer support the brutal dictator we put into power there. Meanwhile abandoning the fight going on in Afghanistan against the real terror threat of the Taliban and Osama.

The DLC whining is here
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=124&subid=307&contentid=253452

here's one paragraph:
My liberal friends are quick to point out that the left's chief grievance is with the war in Iraq, not the war on terror. But what does it do for the image of the Democratic Party -- not to mention the thinking of rank and file Democrats -- when some of our most skilled commentators use a moment of unambiguous terror to first find fault with an American policy (unseating Saddam Hussein) rather than first condemning the terrorists? It's both morally wrong and politically dumb. These musings in the left-wing blogosphere may be read regularly by only a few thousand people, but they seep into the intellectual bloodstream of the Democratic Party. They once again place Democrats on the wrong side of the ultimate issue of our time: winning the war on terror.

There's plenty more at the link. Once again the DLC is incorrectly saying bombing Iraq is part of the terror war. No DLC, we abandoned our fight against the Taliban to invade an unrelated country.

Plus DLC, the people who flew the planes were not from Afghanistan nor Iraq. Saudis and Pakistanis, remember? If you want to win your BushCo WOT, then at least keep the players straight.

Also DLC, DailyKos receives hundreds of thousands of hits each day alone. And that is just one of the many Progressive sites. What's this few thousand people you talk about? Underestimating your critics is not wise.

And DLC, the ultimate issue of our time is not the terror issue. It is the war on the rapidly shrinking middle class and rapidly growing global corporatists.

[ixion]

1. yeah, actually the WoT is as bogus as the WoD

and the DLC should stop whining and remember that they're the opposition. :grr:

[JRob]

7. Opposition my ass... They're all good little Shepherds.

[JRob]

2. Kool Aid anyone? ...so whats new?

It will continue until we focus on the source. Follow the money...

[Walt Starr]

3. Man, I can see it now, the Democratic Party is split and the Repukes win

again and again.

The DLC bastards have been running the show and continually losing this entire century.

Time for them to take a back seat.

[JNelson6563]

4. Spineless sell-outs

and bob knows we've been enduring their obnoxiousness here at DU in spades lately.

Julie

[wtbymark]

5. The DLC is just a pansy puppet of whomever they can please

go ahead Hillary, become the DLC girl and we'll enjoy the 9% you get in the primaries hahahahahahaha

[DFWdem]

18. Perhaps this quote explains something

Newt Gingrich on Hillary Clinton:

"You have to respect her. This is a first-class professional. And if Bill is 'first spouse,' it'll be one of the great moments."

Discussed in this DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4194585

[Pithy Cherub]

6. The DLC just noticed that the internet is influential in public opinion.

Secondly, unnoticed by the DLC that the net is a 24/7 medium that allows 24/7 participation and not blind obedience to the corporate doctrine, like TV?

What a condescending, patronizing bunch of tripe from DLC people who need us more than we need them. The DLC may want to research olive branches and their meaning and lasting value.

For me, The Iraq War will stand as a demarcation as to whether one is worthy of a vote or pity for not understanding the abuse of American power in a country with oil and no connection to 9/11/01.

[Al-CIAda]

16. When do the DLC intend on pointing out that the Iraq invasion was based on

lies?

When will the DLC amit that our election process is faulty (I would say fraudulent) and it is imperative we have transparent accountable procedures? When will they say it is wrong that the machines and rules are in the hands of right wing criminals?

[Pithy Cherub]

21. The DLC, embarrass themselves with truths? Surely you jest!

Lies are the circuitous route to a WAR and the DLC was right there catapaulting the republican propaganda wurlitzer. To have to comeback and say mea culpa would truly be the province of a courageous matyr. That ain't the DLC!

[ladjf]

27. The DLC is worrying the Hell out of me. They might as well be

card carrying Republicans. I fear that they will be able to siphon off too much of the support that the real Democrats will need to (1) clean up the vote machine debacle and (2) win the next two elections.
The DLC needs to be "neutered".

[xchrom]

8. dlc = can of spineless worms.

the growth of terrorism currently is directly related to the INSANE war in iraq and the dlc STILL doesn't get it.

what conversation can be had with these people?

the issue for them{dlc} is that there is left wing activist left standing, period.

they're disgusting.

[dogday]

9. DLC=Republican Lite

no thanks.....

[truebrit71]

22. Absolutely....

Fuck the DLC.... :grr:

[Eric J in MN]

10. What a wimpy writer.

He criticizes American liberals wihout NAMING one.

He's so afraid of someone responding and criticizng him.

UPDATE:

I stand corrected. He does provide names, but not links, to let us see the context:


"If only we could hear such moral clarity from our own party's left! Instead, we heard from Daily Kos, the ur-liberal ur-blogger, whose blog included a cheer for, among others, outcast Labourite George Galloway, who blamed the attacks on Blair's Iraq policy -- and was roundly denounced by virtually all British politicians. "See, Democrats? That's how it's done," lectured the blogger ignorantly. Likewise, Matt Yglesias, an articulate liberal voice at The American Prospect, who belittled Marshall Wittmann's call for moral clarity as a phrase never used "unironically" anymore. No wonder Democrats are perceived to have a values problem.""

[gratuitous]

12. Naw, facts would just clutter up a good screed

I mean, as eminent philosopher Homer Simpson has reminded us, that you can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. So much better for an unfocused red-crayon mad diatribe if you leave out facts, quotations, citations or anything else that would give your audience a chance to find out that you're only spewing bullshit.

[Robbien]

13. Oh no, he names some of them

and incorrectly attributes posts to wrong posters.

There's plently more at the link.

[Eric J in MN]

17. You're right.

I didn't read this paragraph carefully enough the first time:

"If only we could hear such moral clarity from our own party's left! Instead, we heard from Daily Kos, the ur-liberal ur-blogger, whose blog included a cheer for, among others, outcast Labourite George Galloway, who blamed the attacks on Blair's Iraq policy -- and was roundly denounced by virtually all British politicians. "See, Democrats? That's how it's done," lectured the blogger ignorantly. Likewise, Matt Yglesias, an articulate liberal voice at The American Prospect, who belittled Marshall Wittmann's call for moral clarity as a phrase never used "unironically" anymore. No wonder Democrats are perceived to have a values problem."

[dbonds]

11. DLC is the backup plan by the same corporations that fund repubs.

Biden is even a signie on a PNAC document.

[Al-CIAda]

14. Damn, if the DLC isn't dense, they're intentionally

misrepresenting 'liberal' views - or complicit. I believe the latter.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Oh poor DLC...

They can kiss my ass. I'll critize whomever I damn well please. If you don't like it get out of public office and become a private citizen where you don't have to worry about people ciritizing you. Until then tough shit. Anybody who tells me to "shut up" I'll only get louder so fuck off.

[BurtWorm]

19. I just knocked off this feedback to Range's article.

Peter Ross Range is way off-base about the ultimate issue of our time, and in his suggestion that the war on terror is legitimate or can be legitimately won. Neither party is addressing what really needs to be done to protect civilians from terror bombings, or to render terrorist organizations ineffective either as recruiters or as agents of terror. Both parties are prone to using the terror issue for propaganda purposes and to avoid addressing concrete measures that nations must take together to disarm terrorists so that they can continue to work on more pressing problems, such as global warming, hunger, poverty, and basic human rights.

The Iraq war is a legitimate target for criticism in light of the London attacks. Both the Bush and Blair administrations have claimed it is central to the war on terror, while simultaneously claiming that the London bombings had nothing to do with Iraq.

The Iraq mistake must be admitted and corrected. The American people, whether Republican, Democratic or independent, have a right to rational behavior from their government and their political leaders, and a right, at long last, to the truth about Iraq.

[Robbien]

24. Now that is a great response

The focus should be poverty/inequality and the environment. But global corporatists in both parties are cemented to privatization and defense spending, they will never highlight or try to correct the damage their policies cause.

[Edgewater_Joe]

20. Democratic LOSERS Council

STFU already -- you had your chances and pissed them away, now go home and let us take over.

And if it means just beating their asses, then we just have to beat their asses.

[JHB]

23. For those who complain about "DLC Bashing", here's the problem in a...

... nutshell:

If the DLC spent half -- even a tenth -- of the energy it spends criticising liberals/progressives/lefties toward attacking the Republicans, we might actually be getting somewhere.

Time and again, the DLCers are respectful and even supportive of Republicans (no matter how tightly they enforce party discipline to shut out and/or attack Democrats), but they'll turn the flamethrowers on any Democrat who doesn't toe their line.

I don't think any of my views are radical, and a number of them involve taking a good hard look at what we're trying to accomplish and reevaluating the best course of action to to that. So when DLCers stop caricaturing my views just as badly as the Elephant People do, I'll know they're serious about the "unity" they so loftily claim they want.

[Jack Rabbit]

25. Some of this is ok; other parts are nonsense

Nobody said it better than London Mayor Ken ("Red Ken") Livingstone, a leading leftist. Though openly critical of Tony Blair for his support of the war in Iraq, Livingstone was eloquent and unequivocal about the terrorists.

This is one of the rare occasions that the DLC, rather than marching lockstep with Bush and the neocons, admits that opposition to the invasion of Iraq may actually be principled and not based on some suicidal desire to see terrorists win.

So, this is at least a cut above the nonsense written for NDOL by Will Marshall last week (for the DU discussion, please click here).

However, no one on the DLC can let this sort of mild concession to the opposition stand very long:

If only we could hear such moral clarity from our own party's left! Instead, we heard from Daily Kos, the ur-liberal ur-blogger, whose blog included a cheer for, among others, outcast Labourite George Galloway, who blamed the attacks on Blair's Iraq policy -- and was roundly denounced by virtually all British politicians.

To paraphrase Mr. Galloway: he was right and the DLC was wrong. The left predicted an invasion of Iraq would become a quagmire and it has; the left charged prior to the invasion that the reasons given for the war were deliberate lies, and they were.

Only a liar or a fool can continue to justify the invasion of Iraq as part of a war on terror. The DLC's problem is that they support the very people the Democratic Party that were foolish enough to fall for the regime's lies prior to the war, still shy away from the dissidents who were right and still think that it serves America well to perpetrate that folly.

What to do in Iraq now is an open question. That it was a mistake to go into Iraq should be beyond question; that the mistake was in believing the fabricated, dissembled case against Iraq presented by Bush and neoconservatives is another matter now beyond question.

The writers for the NDOL site have a much difficulty admitting error as has Mr. Bush.

[Tommymac]

26. DLC doesn't give a rat's ass about We The People winning...

They win either way....if the Dems win, great....the DLC gets mega Corporate contributions.

If the Rethugs win, great, ...the DLC gets mega corporate contributions.

It's a no lose situation for them...they sold their political soul to the devil long ago. And guess who has to suffer...the little people. The poor. The ones who have no voice, that the Democratic Party USED to speak for.

Howard Dean is trying to change things at a grassroots level...but it will take a loooong time. He wants us to run for any local office we can....get active; take back our Party from those who don't respect it. If Dean doesn't stand up to this DLC crap soon though, I may be out the door on the Dems too...that hurts because I have been a lifelong Dem, stood with them through thick and thin...I remember standing on our street corner in 1964 and making and holding up signs saying "If Goldwater in 64 in 65 it's Atomic War"(couldn't leave the block...I was only a toddler); don't remember what we did for Humphrey because alls I can remember is my grief over Bobby K.; was a vocal McGovern supporter even though I was too young to vote (except in my school's mock election - it was the rural south - I think I was one of a very few ... the majority voted for Wallace...)I voted and Campaigned for Carter in 1976, 1980, Mondale in 1984, and Dukakis in 1988...No, I've had my eyes opened after Kerry abandoned us last year in November...the Frankensteinian DLC does not speak for me.