DLC fever on DU

[Cocoa]

why now?

[Dr Fate]

1. We should be talking issues & Karl Rove.

We are being idiots.

[Mass]

3. Agreed!

[Mass]

2. Rove needed some distraction - sent some trolls.

[Redstone]

5. I think you and Dr Fate are right...

divide and conquer, and all that.

Redstone

[KharmaTrain]

17. I've Been Watching It The Last Two Days

I called someone with a low post count (around 100) and no star (to me the star means a committment to this place, it's not like it's a monthly tithe) on it and got a nasty reply. I wonder why.

I'm no supporter of a lot of what the DLC has stood for or pushed for since I first became aware of them in '88, but right now they're not the "elephant in the room"...it's that damn elephant in the room.

The DLC means zero to me as the next real affect they would have on the party would be supporting a candidate in 2008 and right now I'm totally focused on 2006...2008 is too far out to start playing whatif and getting all worked up about.

Yep, I suspect a lot of these posts are to stir up people here and divert and distract. I suspect more and more of it as the walls come crashing down on this regime.

There'll come a time to examine what the DLC has done, but that will be when the Repugnicans are put in a minority status. That must be the priority.

Cheers...

[Redstone]

18. I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of this DLC stuff,

because I'm not a registered Democrat (lifelong independent, right here), but from the odds and bits I've gathered, it seems you're exactly right about what's going on.

to me, it seems that Dems in general tend to be more passionate folks than Repubs, who seem to be more cold and calculating.

Unfortunately, that means the Repubs can get the Dems to lose focus by getting them (us) all stirred up and bickering with each other...but screw it, I'd rather throw in my lot with people who care enough about other people that they forget the mechanics of politics and allow the conniving, soulless bastards on the repub side to distract them.

I'll side with people who lose elections, but retain their humanity any time rather than go with Those People...

Being human is more important than winning elections, yes?

Redstone

[KharmaTrain]

19. There's No One Sizes Fits All

I'm a lifelong Progressive...have been since the 60's...still am today. How I define it hasn't changed, just the work around me and the people have. It definitely means being very compassionate and fight for the rights and benefits of all, not the privilidged.

At my advancing age, life and experience has taught me I can't fight every fight and spreading onself to thin almost always leads to troubles. Also, I've developed a healthy sense of cynicism and downright realism to always view things, especially posts on places like this, with an eye on what's the ultimate agenda here. In a majority of cases, it's things I totally agree with, or if I do have a problem, it's on the details not the basic principles.

That said, I'll say I am tired of losing elections and see next year as a very vital year for the Democratic party. Any big losses could mean a veto-proof House and/or Senate that would be our real worst nightmare. Holding ground just allows the current destruction of our country to continue. Thus the focus has to be on electing Democrats or non-Repugnicans (Bernie Sanders is one) to put the Repugnicans in the minority.

Will this mean having to accept candidates that may not be along the template you or I would prefer? Count on it. For example, I'm in a Congressional district that was just won by a Democrat after over 30 plus years of being the private domain of Phil Crane. The new representative, while deep inside a blue state, is in a realtively red area and on the radar of all the big Repugnican fundraising organizations. The bullseye has been on her head by the RNCC since the election ended, and she's voted in favor of some bills that best serve the business intersts of this district (bankruptcy - there's lot of large banks that will not hold back pumping money into a competitor's campaign) and now CAFTA (high tech jobs...this area's taken a major hit in the past few years).

Someone posted about her earlier today and what a sell out she's become. Yes, she looks that way...especially as there are others in our state delegation that are among the most liberal and progressive in the party, but Ms. Bean doesn't have that luxuary. It's hard to get that nuance across here and also difficult to square with oneself, but what's the alternative?

I sense many here don't comprehend how down the Democratic party is right now. How there needs to be a greater focus on the things that bring us together than divide us. Also to keep in mind the bigger threat to all of us that is the Repugnican party and its continued hold on the levers of power.

Honestly, I'd love the day to come when we can reward those that have been true to the principles I'll bet the two of us hold, but right now, you play with the hand your dealt, and the best poker player let the others win it for them...not the other way around.

[sojourner]

4. 'zactly! check out this comment!

this discussion thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1959667

[lvx35]

6. DLC is out of touch with the mainstream.

This is a problem that needs to be addressed. It shouldn't undermine our incredible feeling of respect for people like Hillary, but we do need to face that its time to take a harder edge. We are UNIFIED!

And ignore the shills trying to exploit every apparent division that appears. Their time will come!

:)
Peace and Unity!

[dweller]

9. oh! come on!!

dlc is middle america dinnertime conversation...

/ :sarcasm:

dp

[Bluebear]

7. I haven't even thought about DLC it's so passe!

:hi:

[Walt Starr]

8. Probably has something to do with their big "DO" in Columbus n/t

[rawtribe]

10. I think we can keep

more then one thought in our little brains. The DLC is a real issue, just as damaging to our union as Rove.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1958963&mesg_id=1958963

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. Why not now?

This isn't about a traitor in the White House, it's about traitors in the Party. If the Party is to be about protecting the interests of corporations over those of the workers than I'm not playing. A point could be made that the DLC and it's ilk is MORE important than Turdblossom-gate. It's actually something that registered Dems have a semblance of control over.

Walkin' and chewin' gum. Ta da!

[Cocoa]

13. you're minimizing Rove's crime

the DLC's bad politics is only treason rhetorically. (and I think the rhetoric is silly, but that's beside the point).

Rove's crime is actual treason. Let's not minimize it.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. Not minimizing it at all.

His crime is over. Plame's operation is toast. Whether TB goes to prison, or not, won't change that. Now it's justice that is being sought, rightfully so.

The crime of making the Democratic Party a pale shadow puppet of the Republican Party is carcinoma in situ.

I refute the premise that only one (or twenty) important issues can be addressed at one time.

[Just Me]

12. Distracts from our gathering forces.

Why bother with such divisive, destracting crap?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

16. Because it's important?

:shrug:

If you want Al From to speak for you, don't let me get in the way.

A gathering tide cleanses all beaches. -RiF

[me b zola]

14. Did somebody say there has been an outbreak of dlc fever?

I already took my prophylactic antibiotics :evilgrin:



I got the Dr. to write a script for anyone else who is interested ;)