Jim March of BBV.org arrested

[ohio_liberal]

From dKos:

Black Box Voting Director Arrested

Jim March, a member of the Black Box Voting board of directors, was arrested Tuesday evening for trying to observe the Diebold central tabulator (vote tallying machine) as the votes were being counted in San Diego's mayoral election (July 26).

<snip>

During the tallying of the election, the Diebold computer was positioned too far away for citizens to read the screen. Citizens could not watch error messages, or even perceive significant anomalies or malfunctions. Unable to see the screen, March went into the office where the tabulator was housed. Two deputies followed him and escorted him out.

According to Hamilton: "He was not belligerent, not at all. After he went inside the tabulator room he came out and he said clearly 'I'm not resisting.' They handcuffed him, took him out of the building. They put him in a squad car. They're going to take him to the police station, book him and take him to jail," said Hamilton. "He's getting charged with a felony, 'interfering with an election official.'"

<snip>


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/27/83533/7014

[Justitia]

1. This sh*t is totally out of hand! Do we need UN elections supervisors???

Right here in the good ole US of A????

The freaking black box voting machines, the secrecy, the hiding of functions of the mysterious machines (made, sold, bought and operated - all by the one ruling party), restriction of access by the citizenry - ENOUGH!

Our one fundamental liberty, the one that defines our country - the ability to confidently cast a ballot - is BEING STOLEN FROM US and when we object, we are hauled off to jail.

WTF is happening in America????

[Oilwellian]

2. His defense could be interesting

and hopefully helpful to bringing this issue to light.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. That is what I am thinking. We got a lawyer or two to help him?

[mattclearing]

51. "Interfering with an election official"

I imagine there are groups that would spring to his defense. The ACLU comes to mind.

[FreedomAngel82]

54. I agree

I would go to them.

[wtbymark]

3. you miss spelled Amerika

[KurtNYC]

9. You misspelled misspelled

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/misspelled.html

[mattclearing]

52. too funny. n/t

[Tesha]

24. Simple answer: Yes. We need observers.(NT)

[Boredtodeath]

66. That makes perfect sense

So one has to ask the next logical question - how much "observing" can Jim March do from a jail cell?

If he was there to "protect" the citizen's right to be a part of the process and observe the tabulation of votes, why would he act purposefully to have himself removed?

How much tabulating did he observe from the squad car outside?

[Gabi Hayes]

5. Free the San Diego ONE!

Free Huey's Hot Sauce!

http://www.hotsauceblog.com/hotsaucearchives/burn-baby-burn/

[ohio_liberal]

83. This post cracked me up

I don't even know what it means! :D

[Gabi Hayes]

96. what? free the san diego 1, as in the Chicago 7

which leads to Bobby Seale, which leads to Huey Newton, which leads to....well the logic is faultless, see?

[Kelvin Mace]

94. That was tacky

Way to sell out the 60's.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. UH, don't WE pay for those election offices

and don't WE pay for those election officials to sit in that 'tabulation room?' :wtf:

[Twist_U_Up]

7. Sad thing is this doesn`t astound me anymore

this fucking administration is a complete embarrassment. Dem's and pigs.

don`t get me wrong but there are only a few willing to fight for us.

The only way to end this is through MASS PROTESTS and civil disobedience

[Generator]

79. Yes! Mass protests...what a concept

Of course the great government we have now would probably call out FEMA and throw us all in jail as terrorists. However, that was my plea in November-where were the mass protests over the election? Ain't no life nowhere, that's where. America is dying..okay dear husband..he reminds me..he thinks it's just ill......but if you told me a year ago that I would have believed KERRY WON..Bev Harris is a scam artist and Andy is dead..how much unreality can we take anyway?

[mod mom]

8. Forwarded to Conyers staff. We have to look out for each other!

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Good idea

[mod mom]

10. OH Liberal perhaps you could edit your subject to include BBV attorney in

it. Us activists who have worked w Jim are aware of who he is but perhaps many others on DU are not familiar with his name.

[mod mom]

12. Thanks! nt

[Stephanie]

13. Another publicity stunt by BBV

There are other, legitimate organizations working on this issue.

[mod mom]

14. I am working with Jim and other activists from around and outside OH

to keep diebold out of Ohio. I will vouch that i have found Jim March dedicated to the cause and respectable. As an election reform activist whois willing to stick my neck out for fair and transparent elections, I would hope we could stick together when a fellow activist is arrested. Stephanie have you interacted with Jim March?

[Stephanie]

19. No, I have interacted with his Qui Tam partner

You may have heard of her. What is he doing with his settlement money?

[Boredtodeath]

23. He bought a motorcycle

And parked it illegally at the last California VSP hearings with a sign on it saying "Bought by Diebold" so that he would get press attention when they tried to tow it away.

That little publicity stunt didn't work, so they went for something bigger.

[mogster]

20. As respectable as dedicated as he may seem

The leader of the BBV org is a known freeper, was banned from this community and has since made it her speciality to spread false rumours about other people working for the cause.

I could mention Andy Stephenson.

Bev and her bots are up to no good, and this is exactly what Stephanie said; a publicity stunt caused by low funds.
Remember that the BBV.org-bots tried to fundraise here just a couple of days ago.

[troubleinwinter]

25. I'd like to know where the money is going....

"FOIA requests to 3000+ counties"

Early this year, Bev was soliciting the donation of a high-speed scanner in order to scan and post the FOIA materials. She got a scanner.

Thus far, eight months after the election, she has posted a few documents from ten precincts in ONE county... ONE.

After plenty of hard-push solicitation of donations for FOIA requests to obtain and post these documents from 3000+ counties, that's what there is to show for all the donations. Virtually NOTHING.

[Kelvin Mace]

45. I have "interacted" with him

And I can tell you he's in it for the money.

Let me quote him for you:

"Viacom and Diebold are now engaged in a race to see who can make ol' Jim a millionaire first."

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90961&perpage=999

[shance]

15. If it's a "publicity stunt", so BE IT. This issue needs all the publicit

we can get. This country becomes further vulnerable to essentially irreversible fraud every time one of these machines and optical scanners is implemented in an election process.

[IndyOp]

16. Plus - this has happened before -

a reporter who went to a city office in Chicago to watch the votes tallied after the 2004 Presidential Election was not allowed in the 'tabulator room.' As far as I know, counting votes in secret is against the law. The central tabulator screens should be projected on movie screens so that dozens of interested citizens can watch.

:patriot:

[merh]

59. Let's use a little common sense.

If this has happened before and if the folks that "make a living" investigating this behavior and accepting funds to "protect our voting rights" know that this has happened before, then why have these folks not hired lawyers to be on the scene when the counting "is done, in secret" and "in violation of the law"? The attorney, if one had been hired, if they really wanted to make a difference and stop the illegal action, should have had pleadings in hand, ready to file with the court, seeking a TRO to stop the counting until they complied with the letter of the law.

Why that logic has escaped these folks is beyond me. :shrug:

“The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over again, expecting different results.”

[Boredtodeath]

17. Of course it is - and fundraiser

The BBV BS wasn't bringing in enough to pay their salaries.

[greatauntoftriplets]

18. I wish they'd arrest some other people from BBV.org, too.

You can guess who I mean....

:evilfrown:

[Boredtodeath]

22. She has others do the dirty work

She'd NEVER put herself front and center for arrest. She's terrified of that possibility.

[Straight Shooter]

26. Apparently Bev and Rove share the same ethical DNA. eom

[troubleinwinter]

27. Wonder what the IRS will have to say about that.

The donation money certainly hasn't been spent on obtaining, scanning and posting FOIA results, as was promised.

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. I'd LOVE to see the IRS on her ass.

:evilgrin:

[troubleinwinter]

44. BBV is not registered as a charitable, non profit

organization according to the Washington Secretary of State website. She claims to be a 501(c)(3), but there is no evidence that the organization is in good standing with WA SOS as a charitable organization.

Type in the name on this site: http://www.secstate.wa.gov/charities/

"Find out if a charity is registered, as required by law, with the Office of the Secretary of State."

[Kelvin Mace]

46. Now THAT'S curious.

[troubleinwinter]

71. She may have lost her non-profit standing

because:

1) she did not file 990 tax forms as required

or

2) her admission on Free Repuke of assisting the Rossi (Republican WA State Governor campaign), and losing her status of non-partisan organization.

[Kelvin Mace]

72. Wouldn't there be some documentation as to why

she lost her status?

[troubleinwinter]

75. I think ya hafta call the SOS of WA State

Those are the two likely reasons I know of.

Non-filing of required financial/tax forms and violation of non-partisan requirements.

[donsu]

28. BBV doesn't do publicity stunts

they have no need to do stunts.

the truths they reveal stand on their own.

[greatauntoftriplets]

30. What truths?

What have they revealed???

:shrug:

[Boredtodeath]

32. Other reseacher's work

That's what they reveal.

[greatauntoftriplets]

33. And the results of the 3,000 FOIA requests???

A detailed financial statement?

Shouldn't they reveal those as well?

[Boredtodeath]

37. Why, of course

Those things should be revealed.

But they would have to obtain those FOIA requests before they reveal them.

And, financial statements!!!!! Done by whom - Sonyja????????

[greatauntoftriplets]

63. Johnson....

whose office was Andy's house. And whom Termite never once saw.....

Is there something fishy here?

[troubleinwinter]

67. I'd say...

[troubleinwinter]

65. I asked about the FOIAs.

Here was her response in JANUARY.

SIX. MONTHS. LATER, there are just a few documents from a few precincts in ONE county posted. ("high volume of documents" my ass.)
.................................

Hi, XXXX,

Regarding publishing the FOIA docs on the Internet: It became a bit like "the neckbone
is connected to the backbone which is connected to the thigh-bonewhich is connected to the leg-bone..."

We had a temporary office. Its high-speed connection didn't work. So I leased a
permanent office. It took 5 days to get Qwest to come install the lines. The
office came with a phone routing box. Qwest wouldn't route that and we had to
have another company come route the Internet lines. That took five days. When
they came out, they routed the cables to the wrong line. They were such dipwads
that we contracted with someone else to properly route the cables. That done,
we brought in the guy to hook up the network. He has that hooked up, and the
scanner will connect directly into the network so we can upload efficiently.

This has been like fingernails on a blackboard -- I was so eager to do this, and
this stuff was not only time consuming, but boring and aggravating. We are now
in Florida working on an investigation and meeting with activists. During the
time we are out of town, the scanner is supposed be be networked in and tested.

It is an expensive piece of equipment, because it needs to process at high
volume and convert documents into searchable text, and then write them to disk
or computer for upload.

We are supposed to practice with the scanner on Monday when we return from
Florida, and I hope to have someone start uploading at that time.

We have been, in the mean time, making phone calls and sending follow up
requests to the highest priority counties who have not complied. This is
tedious, and often involves interacting with county attorneys and, in the case
of Texas, with the state's attorney, who says he will have an answer as to
whether counties need to comply sent to us by Feb. 16.

The documents we have so far are enlightening.

Also in preparation for uploading a high volume of documents, during December,
we relocated and restructured our Web site to a more hack-resistant host and
security setup, and we created a new dedicated server and web domain,
bbvdocs.org, to house the files.

We integrated this into an easy-to-use format by putting the Black Box Voting
documents archive onto our forums. The section is right near the top, and is
called the BBV Document Archive. Right now its offerings are slim, though they
do already contain some interesting documents obtained from state-level FOIA
requests, including Ciber testing lab reports, Diebold manuals, and other
items.

Thanks for writing. The progress towards posting these documents publicly is
significant, but frustratingly invisible, since we had to put in a lot of
infrastructure to accomodate it, and we are quite a small organization, without
a lot of employees.

Infrastructure is done, now all we're waiting for is the scanner hookup and the
chance to get back in town and start uploading!

Bev Harris
Black Box Voting

[ohio_liberal]

87. "not only time consuming, but boring and aggravating"

alrighty then, that explains it <snark>

[Boredtodeath]

89. If one has a clue what they are looking for

It's not the LEAST BIT time consuming, boring and aggravating. As someone who has reviewed thousands of election documents, as well as scanned them, it's revealing and telling.

But, you have to know what to look for. If not, it's time consuming, boring and aggravating as she says.

Those comments say a lot about how little Bev knows about what she is looking for.

[ohio_liberal]

90. Exactly

She thinks her work is time consuming, boring, and aggravating! WTF?? Why is she doing this then?

[troubleinwinter]

36. Then why does she?

Like crashing a retirement party, creating a scene in front of cameras to "serve" Theresa LaPore a lawsuit which had already been served legally earlier in the day.

[Kelvin Mace]

47. You want the truth?

Try here:

The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188

My Opinion on Bev Harris & BBV (Warning: Harsh Language)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=211132

The answer to how much money Bev Harris really made thanks to Randi Rhodes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3246549&mesg_id=3246549

[ArkDem]

49. Good One!

[merh]

64. I'll repeat for your benefit

Let's use a little common sense.

If this has happened before and if the folks that "make a living" investigating this behavior and accepting funds to "protect our voting rights" know that this has happened before, then why have these folks not hired lawyers to be on the scene when the counting "is done, in secret" and "in violation of the law"? The attorney, if one had been hired, if they really wanted to make a difference and stop the illegal action, should have had pleadings in hand, ready to file with the court, seeking a TRO to stop the counting until they complied with the letter of the law.

Why that logic has escaped these folks is beyond me.

“The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over again, expecting different results.”


:crazy:

[dogday]

21. This process is to be done

so that all can see. If people cannot see, then it is an illegal process with illegal results. More people should stand as this man has and call for open and free elections....

[troubleinwinter]

31. A little insight into Jim March... in his own words.

"For doing all this, Bev and I are due to split a cut of the winnings (a "bounty"). It'll vary between "bigtime fun money" each to "retirement-level" loot, depending on how it all shakes out."

..........................

"On a comical note: go check out the horrendous squabbling over this that's broke out on DU:

A big part: the various "commies" over there are choking over the idea of profit getting wrapped up in activism.

It's genuinely hilarious.

Me?

I'm a gun nut, remember? Call me a "bounty hunter" and I'll say: yup!

Silly commies."

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90961&perpage=999

[MelissaB]

41. Oh, God! I had never read this stuff. Also, catch this one:

Jim March
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 5,564

Eight figures in my pocket is...unlikely, almost bordering on impossible. Diebold would have to be REALLY dumb to let it go that far. More likely they'll settle to avoid tripplers.


and this:

Jim March
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 5,564 As I can't post to the DU thread, I have to reply to things there over here, hoping they're tracking it.

Zan_of_Texas: The reason Bev used the term "may fund Black Box Voting organization" is that she has no control over how I spend my chunk. Or how attorney Lowell Finley spends his, for that matter...Lowell will get a 25% cut of any pre-trial settlement, 33% (same as myself and Bev each) if it goes to trial.

Mind you, Lowell is a very effective voting rights activist in his own right, he's not just in this for the money. I've seen him do things in this field that he didn't get paid for and that were unconnected with the cases, such as attend and give testimony at the various California SecState voting system panel meetings.

I'm a voting rights activist too...have been for just about a year now. BUT for the last six years, I've been fighting to end racism, corruption, nepotism and cronyism in the handling of California's gun control system, esp. where "Carry Concealed Weapons" permits are concerned.



Here is another of snip from the first post on that page:

So anyways...the profit potential here is just crazy. If the various Sheriffs and PD Chiefs think I've been a nuisance while running on a shoestring, wait'll they get a load o' me and a couple million bucks to toss around .

[troubleinwinter]

42. Bev is a confirmed freeper and March calls DUers "commies"

[Kelvin Mace]

53. Yep, you see the real Jim March there

Does anybody have his "Happiness is a clean kill" pic?

[Kelvin Mace]

48. I missed that one

[rumpel]

34. Still using Optical Scan: Precinct-Based, Diebold Election Systems?

[OKthatsIT]

97. Optical scans are ES&S

last i heard...punch cards are Triad...touch screens are Diebold.

All Dominionists companies.

[rumpel]

35. Just got this e-mail from Liberty Belle

This is an outrage! Jim March of Black Box Voting was arrested in San Diego during yesterday's mayoral election for attempting to observe the central tabulator, which the Registrar refused to move close enough for March to view. I interviewed the Registrar, Mikel Haas, just a couple of days ago for the East County Californian and had asked him about the Diebold GEMS central tabulator. He said, "We will let people observe it…the screen is facing the window in a computer room and anyone is free to observe it."

Jim March asked to have the tabulator moved closer to the window, as it was impossible to read. The Registrar refused, so Jim entered the room and was arrested. (Details below.)

This morning I spoke with Bev Harris at BBV. She said Jim is making a point--because this problem is "systemic of election problems across the United States. Citizens are not being allowed to observe our own elections."

Bev also expressed suspicion over the results in yesterday's mayoral race, because the percentages did not change substantially from precinct to precinct for any candidates. "It's almost like there was a set point," she observed, adding that she considers the results "very fishy."

Please spread the word of this far and wide. Send letters to the editor, call the media, and urge them to cover this!

and

Is this the beginning of the end of our democracy? Please read below and pass it on. Thanks!

Judy Ki
Delegate - 75th Assembly District
SDEA/CTA/NEA Member
Treasurer - API Democrats of San Diego County

"It was once said that the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped."

Hubert H. Humphrey

VIEWING THE DIEBOLD VOTE-TALLYING SCREEN PROHIBITED

Jim March, a member of the Black Box Voting board of directors,
was arrested Tuesday evening for trying to observe the Diebold
central tabulator (vote tallying machine) as the votes were being
counted in San Diego's mayoral election (July 26).
(- online discussion: http:/www.blackboxvoting.org <http://www.blackboxvoting.org> -)

According to Jim Hamilton, an elections integrity advocate from
San Diego, he and March visited the office of the registrar
of elections earlier in the day. During this visit, March made
two requests, which were refused by Mikel Haas, the San Diego
Registrar of elections.

1) March asked that the central tabulator, the computer that
tallies up the votes from all the precincts, be positioned so
that citizens could observe it. According to Hamilton, this
would have required simply moving a table a few feet.

2) March also asked for a copy of the ".gbf" files -- the vote
tally files collected during the course of tabulation – to be
provided for examination after the election.

During the tallying of the election, the Diebold computer
was positioned too far away for citizens to read the screen.
Citizens could not watch error messages, or even perceive
significant anomalies or malfunctions.

Unable to see the screen, March went into the office where the
tabulator was housed. Two deputies followed him and escorted
him out.

According to Hamilton: "He was not belligerent, not at all.
After he went inside the tabulator room he came
out and he said clearly 'I’m not resisting.' They handcuffed
him, took him out of the building. They put him in a squad car.
They’re going to take him to the police station, book him and
take him to jail," said Hamilton. "He’s getting charged with a
felony, 'interfering with an election official.'"

March's actions are the culmination of two years of increasing
frustration with the refusal of election officials to respond to
security deficiencies in the voting machines. The software that
tallies the votes in San Diego is made by Diebold Election Systems,
a company that has already paid the state of California $2.8 million
for making false claims, due to a lawsuit filed by March and Black
Box Voting founder Bev Harris.

On July 4, a report was released by European computer security
expert Harri Hursti, revealing that the Diebold voting system
contains profound architectural flaws. "It is open for business,"
says Hursti, who demonstrated the flaws on Leon County, Florida
Diebold machines. He penetrated the voting system in less than
five minutes, manipulating vote reports in a way that was
undetectable.

Despite the critical security alert issued by Hursti, San Diego
County sent 713 voting machines home with poll workers, increasing
the risk that the "memory cards" housed in the machines could be
hacked, and removing the argument that "inside access" was carefully
safeguarded.

The arrest of Jim March underlines a fundamental problem facing
Americans today as, increasingly, they lose the ability to monitor,
verify, or watch any part of the counting process.

The San Diego registrar of elections knew of the security flaws in
the voting system. Diebold has never denied the vulnerability
identified in Hursti's report, found at
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVreport.pdf <http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVreport.pdf> .

Despite knowledge of the increased risks, Haas made the decision
to create additional vulnerability by sending the machines home
with hundreds of poll workers.

While San Diego officials will no doubt point to a small seal on
the compartment housing the memory card (the component exploited
in Hursti’s study), Black Box Voting has interviewed a former
San Diego poll worker, who reported that all that is necessary
to dislodge and then reaffix the seal is a small pair of pliers.

IN A NUTSHELL:

- The machines have been demonstrated to be vulnerable to
undetected tampering
- The San Diego registrar of voters chose not to take
appropriate precautions
- The main tally machine was placed in a location that was
impossible for citizens to observe
- Many voting integrity advocates have come to believe that
voting machine reform now rivals the urgency of the Civil
Rights movement in the 1960s.

Jim March acted on those beliefs.

* * * * *

If you share the feelings that Jim March has expressed
about voting system secrecy, please forward this message to
your lists and to online blogs as appropriate. Permission
granted to reprint, with link to http://www.blackboxvoting.org <http://www.blackboxvoting.org> .

[troubleinwinter]

38. You have posted Bev's version. Now read a news account:

There was some commotion at night, however.

About 10:45 at the registrar's office in Kearny Mesa, a member of a group that monitors elections stormed into a computer room where votes were being tabulated. Jim March, who sits on the board of Black Box Voting, complained about having to observe from behind a window eight feet away. When an election worker opened the door, March bolted inside.

Two sheriff's deputies jumped from their seats, pulled him out of the room and led him to a patrol car.

Thirty minutes earlier, March told a reporter he was going to perform an act of civil disobedience.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20050727-0036-7n27vote.html

Another publicity stunt.

[ohio_liberal]

39. Great find

:thumbsup:

[Boredtodeath]

40. Woot! There is it. Proof it was a publicity stunt

for fundraising.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Isn't it always??

[hang a left]

43. That is the Union Tribune in SD

They are a right wing rag I wouldn't wash my windows with. Publicity stunt or not, there needs to be more publicity.

[Kelvin Mace]

50. Bev's stunts

are discrediting the movement.

She has pretty much driven off every "friendly" reporter who was covering the issue honestly with her abusive outbursts.

She does it for money and fame.

[troubleinwinter]

56. "Bev's stunts are discrediting the movement."

Perhaps that is the intent. She is certainly doing a good job of it.

"She has pretty much driven off every "friendly" reporter". She is an experienced PR person... that is her profession. It doesn't seem 'accidental' to me.

[Kelvin Mace]

57. Sadly

to me, her claims of being an "experienced PR person" is as credible as her claim to be a "investigative reporter".

Her clients had many complaints about her "expertise:.

[troubleinwinter]

60. her claim to be a "investigative reporter".

Hahahahaha!!!!!! That's a new one on me! Hahaha!!!!

[Kelvin Mace]

61. Yeah,

and it went over REAL well with actual reporters. Especially when she would lecture them about how they should do their job.

[Boredtodeath]

62. Oh, it gets better

Bev posted right here on DU that she was writing a "pulitizer prize winning book."

[Kelvin Mace]

68. From a rant aginst me.

"This was my work product, folks. My research. My time. My publicity efforts. My proofing. My structural editing (didn't get that, either). My fact checking. My Pulitzer-Prize deserving work.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1333930#1335869
Be sure to read ALL rebuttals to her claims.

BTW, here is Jim March:

[mogster]

70. Holy shit! :-o

:rofl: I remember that pic. It's him?

[Kelvin Mace]

73. Yep. and fron his site.

[NC Beach Girl]

95. actually

I don't think that is him...or if it is him it's 20 years and 200 lbs ago.

This is one from last year.



Does this look like a man you want representing you in the fight for voting reform? He looks like he should be selling fried chicken at a Bush lovefest.

[pitohui]

69. bingo

i believe it is her intent

[Boredtodeath]

55. Makes sense - since March is a right wing NRA lobbyist

He called his favorite reporter to make sure it hit the news.

[ohio_liberal]

74. Well this has been interesting to say the least

I'm sorry I posted and ran but I was watching it all go down on dKos. I should've put some popcorn in the microwave. I can't understand why someone would purposely get themself charged with a felony? :shrug:

[merh]

77. As I have posted within.

This group is well aware of the tactics used to "hide" or "conceal" or "conduct in secret" the counting of the votes. They KNOW what to expect and that they have not hired counsel to accompany them to the count, ready to file pleadings with the court demanding that the officials comply with the law is just absurd. To watch them continue to "violate" the law as they allege without trying to legally require them to follow the law is just a lot of nonsense.

Use the monies raised wisely, if the officials are not complying with the law, then file pleadings in court demanding they comply with the law. Ask the court to intercede. Legal precedents have greater impact than the good ole "they did it before" nonsense.

IMHO, this group is all talk and no real action. They don't care to make any difference. They are just there to appease the folks concerned with election fraud. They have no desire to change things or improve things. They are a front and a distraction.

[troubleinwinter]

78. Read March's words again.

He is into it for big dough. "Millions... early retirement.. for ol' Jim". Think they are done with just the one Qui Tam? It's just a warm-up.

He and Bev made money for themselves, and California still has Diebold machines, with little/no recourse.

[ohio_liberal]

85. Oh yeah

I saw all of that, read it over and over again. Can they file qui tam suits from jail?

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[troubleinwinter]

81. Hello, Mr. Hate

It is unclear what ARE you outraged about...

Jim March's advance plans to commit an act of 'civil disobedience' in order to conduct a publicity stunt? His view of DUers as "commies"? His idea that activism and profit should be mixed so that he can make enough money for early retirement? Bev's admission of having assisted the Republican WA candidate, violating her non-profit status? Stealing others' work and taking the credit? Smearing the names of honest, dedicated activists? Bev's constant fund raising and failure to produce what she has promised her donors? That Bev is a freep? That she does not provide financial reports? Discrediting the movement by burning down media? Saying that Andy was not sick enough to die?

WHAT is it that outrages you?

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[troubleinwinter]

88. Want to provide a link

Where Rep. John Conyers, Senator Barbara Boxer and Howard Dean say that Bev Harris and Black Box Voting.org are "legit"?

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[troubleinwinter]

92. Stephanie was stating that

the issue of black box voting is an issue of concern, and Conyers, Arnebeck, Tubbs-Jones, Clinton, Dean and Boxer see that.

It was a follow up comment to OP that though Bev Harris perpetrated a lie regarding donations, the issue of black box voting is legitimate.

Conyers, Boxer and Dean did NOT state that Bev Harris or her organization was "legit".

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[troubleinwinter]

82. I think you got it. At least part of it.

[Kelvin Mace]

84. Not an accusation

If you check the links, you will find it is VERY well documented fact.