The Clark video (comments on W., Rumsfeld, Powell, et al)

[JCMach1]

They showed this on CNN International (on edit, I believe it was actually MSNBC) last night.

I am sorry, but any Democrat who PRAISES the BFE in such a fashion will not receive my vote. That was a deal breaker!

And yes, I was giving Clark strong consideration before I saw it.

Anyone else seen the video of his commentary?

[StephNW4Clark]

1. "Democrats Applaud Bush Choices"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=420139

[jonnyblitz]

5. are any of them running for president? n/t

[StephNW4Clark]

8. Logic?

That's such a silly answer. Clark (like every other private citizen) was relying on and trusting the Congress and confirmation process to shed light on the Cabinet members' capacity and intent to serve the public good. Are you suggesting that he had powers to see into the future?

And yes, Lieberman, Kerry and Edwards are also running for President.

[Mz Pip]

2. CHeck out the other thread

LOTS of Dems praised the BFEE appointees. Dems even confirmed their nominations. Hind site is 20/20. You've got a lot of Dems to trash on this one.

MzPip
:dem:

[JCMach1]

6. And your point is,,,,

Yes, there were other Dems saying such things... No doubt there comments should be re-aired too.

For me, it's a little like Kerry voting for the war and then coming out as a major critic.

IT smacks of opportunism-- not to mention the general tone and content of the comments.

Unlike some here, I WILL vote for the nominee even if it's Lieberman... However, when it comes to the primary I will not ignore this type of comment.

[StephNW4Clark]

7. So Clark had insights that the others didn't?

My point was - if the leading Senate Democrats who conducted those confirmation hearings didn't know about how the team would turn out, how could you hold Clark with such contempt when he (as a private citizen) as well as the rest of us were relying on the confirmation process to ensure that the nominees would serve the public good, not personal or neo-con agendas?

[JasonBerry]

14. HERE'S WHY Clark should be held to a different standard!

He is campaigning as "Mr. Foreign Policy." He's NOT like the other candidates in the race in that respect. It wasn't like he was just some "private citizen" either. He knew ALL of these people - personally! He referred to them as "friends of mine." Now, please tell me how he could have praised these people with their well-known views? You Clark people will defend anything Saint Wes says or does. To me, that's not shame on you necessarily - it's shame on Wesley Clark for trying to fool good progressive Democrats!

[Mz Pip]

9. It smacks of opportunism

for the creeps at Faux to be playing this clip over and over again.

Clark wasn't running for anything back then. How are these statements of his opportunistic? It's opportunitstic for his detractors to use these statements against him without taking them into the context of the time they were made. And that is my point...

MzPip
:dem:

[Bread and Circus]

12. Here's my point, read the damn speech entirely....

and see for yourself. Perhaps in context
it will make more sense. Frankly I thought Clark
was just being a good American at the time and
being diplomatous. For peet's sake, Clark was encouraged
to run as a Republican for congress and he turned them
down. He also supported Democratic Candidates and endorsed
Democrats like Max Cleland.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004065

Clark is not a partisan politician, I will admit.

He is running for the Presidency of the United States,
meaning all of us, not President of the Democratic Party,
meaning only 40% of us. He is the best credentialed
American in the race. Underscore the word American.

[JasonBerry]

15. I've READ the speech....

It is DISGUSTING. Just being a "good American?" It was delivered to a REPUBLICAN PARTY FUNDRAISER. Two years later, he has people under his spell of pretty hair, medals and a smile. Wake up!

[Bread and Circus]

20. Sorry you think Republicans are evil...

but my mother is a Republican.

If Clark gave this speech to her, I think he
would have helped the country if she learned something.

This is not a battle between the "good of Democrats" vs
the "Evil of Republicans". This is a battle between
reason/love vs. ignorance/intolerance. Clark's message
was of tolerarance and playing a role for good in the world.
Sorry you didn't see it.

[Donna Zen]

3. I'm sure

that CNN has the news clips of all of the Dems lining up behind bushco's choices and voting for them. So why do you think they are not showing them? Whoops--------> Look over there.

Isn't it time that we started acting smarter than they think we are?

[JasonBerry]

17. The rest of the candidates

have not had life-long relationships with these people.
Wesley Clark has! And two years before running as a Democrat praises them (he knows good and well what they're about) to a GOP fundraiser! The little one-liners of ">>>>>>>>Look over there>>>>" as if those of us who were Democrats two years ago AND today are working for Karl Rove. But, I would expect no less from supporters of Wesley Clark -- if they're anything like the Clark I know.

[Donna Zen]

19. Wow!

You know Clark?

Did you know the Roosevelts? Yep, my great-uncle was one of Roosevelt's boys. My mom, 30 years an elected Dem. knew Eleanor from Dem women organizations. I just work for my county organization up here and run the Dem. caucus.

And believe or not, I want to see Richard fuqwad Myers outta' there. I want that military budget gone over with a fine tooth buzzsaw. Yep.

And I am looking...I'm looking straight ahead and all of this useless buzz from some far right think tanks, ain't gonna make me trip over my own sense of what's comin' down here.

[Pepperbelly]

4. and one of the icons of the liberal to left, just behind the late and ...

great Senator from Minnesota Paul Wellstone, Russ Feingold was one of the lynch-pins of Asscrack's confirmation. At about the same time.

[Donna Zen]

10. Feingold

Yes, I remember he said that he would hold asscrop to his word. <tapping foot...still waiting>

My negative position will remain fixed on the liars...rather than those they lied to. After all, the lied to the entire country and only half of us have caught on.

[madaboutharry]

11. I agree with you

Everyone is forgetting what it was like in the spring of 2001. Bush had just come into office in January and there was a real effort on the part of most (not me, by the way) to reconcile the nation after the bitter election. Democrats in Washington were attempting to smooth things out believing it was necessary in order to get on with the nation's business. I don't think too many people really had any idea that the administration and republicans would take us down this road. The shit had yet to hit the fan. I think Russ Feingold is a truly honorable man and at the time thought he was doing the right thing. I don't think he saw the Patriot Act on the horizon. As far as Clark is concerned, I believe him when he discusses his military career as one based on non-partisonship. Another observation, the people who read DU really are not representative of the average democrat out there. People here are political junkies who approach this whole scene with a lot more emotion and partisanship than average. I have talked to my democratic friends and family and Clark's republican votes and talks don't even register. They want to know what he has to say today and what kind of administration he would bring with him.

[dsc]

13. Feingold was pretty clear on why he voted that way

and it wasn't because the thought Ashcroft was a good choice. He had argued his entire Senate career for a particular standard in confirming cabinet nominees (barring corruption the President gets his person) and he stuck to that standard. That is very different from praising people for doing a good job after they get there.

[Clark Can WIN]

16. Video released by the RNC

so now you let the RNC tell you what to be outraged about? Congratulations you are reacting just as they hoped you would.

[JasonBerry]

18. MURDER

If the RNC released a video of Clark committing MURDER you Clark people would try to say it's okay because the RNC released the hidden camera video!

Brother.....

Saint Wesley Can Do NO Wrong!

[eileen_d]

21. OK, who sounds crazy in this thread

I think it's the person who compares speaking at a GOP fundraiser to MURDER.