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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:08 PM
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SHUTTLE FLEET NOT GROUNDED!
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 06:48 PM by jim3775
STOP WATCHING ALARMIST CNN!

I just watched the official press conference, the mission managers said that preparations for STS-300 (the rescue mission which so far is not needed) are still continuing. This means that CNN is providing you false information; no surprise there. The preliminary status of the mission is to return the shuttle as-is. Also, the shuttle was not damaged in the same way as before, the media is mixing-up the fuel tank damage with the shuttle tile damage, according to the mission managers Discovery is in "good shape". Many more pictures and much more analysis are still needed before a final determination is made.

Whether or not the next launch will happen is still to be determined.

EDIT: Fixed bad C&P job.

Further edit: For clarification the next shuttle mission (STS-121 Atlantis) will not be flown unless the tank foam issue is fixed. The tank will have to be modified before it flies. A delay is not a grounding.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:09 PM
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1. see damage here
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:09 PM
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2. So, is everything alright or not?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:15 PM
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7. well, yes and no. Or, no and yes, if you prefer.
Edited on Wed Jul-27-05 06:15 PM by antifaschits
either or both.

If the Utah manufacturer that paid off several senators in order to get the tank contracts, (morton thiocol, if I recall?) had done its job right in the first place, we would have never been in this position. The "O" rings that lost us Challenger, the spray and paint method of foam application (rather than the competing company - which I forget) which led to the last shuttle disaster, all this adds up to one point - that politics and science don't mix.

Stem cells
the SSC (In Texas, yet)
and so much more.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:34 PM
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17. Wow
The Shuttle is doing science now?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:38 PM
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21. oops. My mistake
But I make many. Ask my wife.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:11 PM
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It is, according to CBS News
No, no damage to the Discovery, but that foam cover still breaks off, the way it did with Columbia, except that this time it did not hit the shuttle.

Thus I am wondering what will happen with the Internatioanl Space Station.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/26/tech/main711644.shtml
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:11 PM
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3. Hardball (MSNBC) opened with the same story, as did
the nat'l news. Some foam flew off again and NASA doesn't know why.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:13 PM
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4. Thermal profile of the shields well mapped. Each tile has RTD sensors
that provide the mission with detailed shield status. I wonder, can the astronauts do tile repair in situ? Any NASA rocket scientists out there?
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:46 PM
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23. Actually they will do some experiments with tile repair while up there.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:14 PM
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5. NASA says it is
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:14 PM
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6. Did you just watch NASA's entire press confrence? I did. n/t
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:16 PM
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8. Nope, didn't
SPACE CENTER, Houston - NASA officials said Wednesday it would ground future space shuttle flights because foam debris that brought down Columbia is still a risk.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:16 PM
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9. According to my local NBC station (KOB-TV, Albuquerque)
Discovery is fine, because the falling foam didn't hit it.

However, there will be no other launches until they figure out why the stuff keeps coming off.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:19 PM
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10. Not technically true,
Future shuttle missions are in doubt for now, but preps for STS-300 (the rescue mission) are going as planned. And again I'm not saying there is any need for a rescue mission.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:55 PM
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24. Were in the same city.......what'd ya know?
see the clouds over the mountains this morning?
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:23 PM
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11. I just got a news alerts in my email box from CNN saying it was grounded.
I hope your correct. All of the major networks have had this for the lead story, but of course it would not be the first time they were all wrong about something. I hope all goes well for the people in the shuttle.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:26 PM
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12. The shuttle is doing good, the news media has it mixed up,
The future of the current fuel tank is in doubt because of it's foam problem which didnt affect the shuttle, Discovery has one minor chipped tile problem in an area where there are several safety backups.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:30 PM
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13. all press agencies report grounded
AFP, AP, Reuters... you name it
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:33 PM
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16. There is a difference between a hard ground and a...
certain delay to the next launch. NASA did not order all future shuttle missions to be grounded, in fact quite the opposite.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 08:51 PM
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27. take it as you want, but....
"You have to admit when you're wrong. We were wrong," Parsons said. "We need to do some work here, and so we're telling you right now that the ... foam should not have come off. It came off. We've got to go do something about that."

The loss of a chunk of debris, a vexing problem NASA thought had been fixed, represents a tremendous setback to a space program that has spent 2 1/2 years and over $1 billion trying to make the 20-year-old shuttles safe to fly.

"Until we're ready, we won't go fly again. I don't know when that might be," Parsons told reporters in a briefing Wednesday evening.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20050728/ap_on_sc/space_shuttle_86
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:31 PM
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14. Thank You NASA Lobby
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Emperor_Norton_II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:34 PM
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18. No, thank *you* cynical fearmonger!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:32 PM
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15. If you like being misinformed and manipulated- watch CNN
Of course, you'd do as well with Fox-

So just turn the crap off- and don't buy anything that you've heard they advertise.
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:34 PM
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19. What do they advertise?
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:36 PM
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20. Oil, industrial, finance and telecom companies. n/t
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:40 PM
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22. You forgot to mention dick stiffener drugs. n/t
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:58 PM
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26. was going to say...24/7
:rofl:
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-05 06:57 PM
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25. so it's everything every other channel advertises
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