Huffington at her best -Judy Miller Do we want to know everything?

[BlueWolff]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Judy Miller: Do We Want To Know Everything or Don't We?
Not everyone in the Times building is on the same page when it comes to Judy Miller. The official story the paper is sticking to is that Miller is a heroic martyr, sacrificing her freedom in the name of journalistic integrity.

But a very different scenario is being floated in the halls. Here it is: It's July 6, 2003, and Joe Wilson's now famous op-ed piece appears in the Times, raising the idea that the Bush administration has "manipulate" and "twisted" intelligence "to exaggerate the Iraqi threat." Miller, who has been pushing this manipulated, twisted, and exaggerated intel in the Times for months, goes ballistic. Someone is using the pages of her own paper to call into question the justification for the war -- and, indirectly, much of her reporting. The idea that intelligence was being fixed goes to the heart of Miller's credibility. So she calls her friends in the intelligence community and asks, Who is this guy? She finds out he's married to a CIA agent. She then passes on the info about Mrs. Wilson to Scooter Libby (Newsday has identified a meeting Miller had on July 8 in Washington with an "unnamed government official"). Maybe Miller tells Rove too -- or Libby does. The White House hatchet men turn around and tell Novak and Cooper. The story gets out.

This is why Miller doesn't want to reveal her "source" at the White House -- because she was the source. Sure, she first got the info from someone else, and the odds are she wasn't the only one who clued in Libby and/or Rove (the State Dept. memo likely played a role too)… but, in this scenario, Miller certainly wasn't an innocent writer caught up in the whirl of history. She had a starring role in it. This also explains why Miller never wrote a story about Plame, because her goal wasn't to write a story, but to get out the story that cast doubts on Wilson's motives. Which Novak did.

This version of events has divided the Times into two camps: those who want to learn everything about this story, and those who want to learn everything as long as it doesn't downgrade the heroic status of their "colleague" Judy Miller. And then there are the schizophrenics. Frank Rich is spending his summer in the second camp, while at the same time writing some of the most powerful and brilliant stuff about the scandal: "This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons. The real culprit… is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped up grounds… That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war."

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[mike_c]

1. kicked and recommended....

Ariana Huffington is a jewel.

[sendero]

15. I agree 100000000%.....

..... even though that is mathematically impossible.

Really, to me almost every one of her columns is a home run.

[puddycat]

2. journalists who conspire w/political propaganda are not really journalists

Used to be Journalists sought out the truth. Now they conspire with the Bush admin to manufacture "truth".

[Junkdrawer]

3. ...or Miller is a 'Mockingbird' plant of the rogue CIA...

and got the call to expose Plame. Other than that, the rest could be true.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. A phone call from Judy and *boom* Plame's status.

All I'm saying is that that's a pretty good co-woker, um..er, I mean source. Definately a person of interest in the investigation.

That Miller is somehow connected to Defense Intelligence, I have no doubt. Maybe she just likes playing dress-up. :think:

[Junkdrawer]

13. When Frank Church 'reformed' the CIA in the late 70s, the rogue...

elements went underground and were funded by blacker budgets, possibly by drug money. Those elements are probably closer to the real powers-that-be than most of the people we think of as political leaders.

Yeah, a real good co-worker indeed.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

16. Of course this is all "speculation."

[Junkdrawer]

22. Yes, we wouldn't want these posts deleted because we...

were offering speculation as fact.

[Samantha]

77. Did you read my thread on that subject or is that an off-the-cuff remark

Just curious ... Some interesting material came out of that thread. If you missed it, I will find it and give you link. I think it is entirely possible she was a CIA plant and was working with the split half for the war, as opposed to the other half with which Plame sided.

[JNelson6563]

4. Wow! Great stuff!

Excellent points raised. :toast:

Julie

[enough]

5. Huffington making perfect sense here. It all hangs together.

[Lexingtonian]

34. Arianna is great at this sort of thing

She knows these sorts of jealous intrigues. Played in some of them herself, and she's from Greece where people are traditionally not exactly ignorant of them.

[napi21]

7. The plot sounds plausable, but there was still a leaker

in the intel community! I understand why Fitz has to take this one witness at a time, and keep getting each clue that links to someone else. I think it's quite probable that Judy was pissed when she felt her credibility was threatened, and fought back. There still has to be a SOURCE! Somebody who knew Joe's wife was in the CIA, and coughed up the intel!

I believe Rove, Scooter, and maybe many more will have to face purgury inditments, and possibly obstruction too, but the only one who can actually be charged with the crime of outing a CIA agent is the actual source. If the above scenario is close to the truth, we're looking at someone within the CIA. Tenet???

[sunnystarr]

23. Bolton? (nt)

[TripleD]

40. Not if her source was Chalabi

He was tied to Iranian inteligence, right? Who knows what they knew.

[Beetwasher]

67. Bolton Is The Original Source I Think

And Bolton is know as one of Miller's prime sources. Bolton/Chalabi to Miller for lot's of the propoganda in the Times.

Bolton get's the info on Plame from NSA intercepts he requested (remember the one's the Dems were trying to get a hold of during his confirmation?). Bolton spread this info around, I'm really getting that feeling.

[Samantha]

78. I think Cheney was definitely a source for Miller

but that fact might not ever become public. He definitely was a source in other matters.

However, the fact has surfaced that the day the Wilson Op-Ed piece surfaced in The New York Times, there is a record of a telephone call between Cheney and Miller. Subsequently, the next week, Miller wrote a NYT article pushing the Yellow Cake perspective Cheney promoted. Thereafter, Cheney appeared on Meet the Press, and one of the sources he quoted to back up his position was the article Miller wrote the week following the publication of Joe Wilson's Op-Ed. That was a coincidence, right?

[mzteris]

8. This is excellent! n/t

[FuzzyDicePHL]

9. Amazing read

No wonder I worship Ms. Huffington.

[SpiralHawk]

10. Miller has been a Total Toady for the BushCo Cabal

She is not defending the First Amendment. She is defending the liars and the lies that got us into an unjust and horrific war -- a war that has cost thousands upons thousands of lives.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Exactly

There is someone greater, I think, she is protecting. This is an interesting theory but in the end I think only Fitzgerald has the information. He did put Judy in jail to find out her source and she was going off to jail smiling.

[wli]

11. take Podhoretz' opinions with a grain of salt; he's in PNAC

[Cha]

12. So Arianna is calling

out Frank Rich, too? I read Rich's article the other day and thought it brilliant but didn't realize he was making miller out a martyr.

miller is already Guilty for beating the Lying Drums to get us to bomb Iraq..I'm sure Hell is keeping a spot warm for her.

I hope Fitzgerald is able to get to the bottom of what else lyin' judy miller has done.

[LizW]

14. Bolton was a regular source for Miller

according to the Washington Note.

I was leaning toward her source being Cheney, but Bolton seems more likely.

[writes2000]

17. Is there a Bolton/Miller connection?

Very interesting article. Especially in light of Rove/Libby putting out there that they heard this from a reporter.

It might also explain Novak...saying that he heard this from someone who was "no partisan mudslinger."

By the way, even if Rove & Libby did hear it from a reporter, it does not exonerate them, IMO.

[tblue37]

39. Even if they heard it from a reporter,

their nondisclosure agreement (which they signed to get security clearance) says they must not share that information, which is what they did even if they merely "confirmed" Cooper's info on Plame, regardless of where he originally got it. Also, Novak says HE got the info from two highly placed WH sources, not from a reporter. So if Libby or Rove told him or confirmed it for him, they were still violating their nondisclosure agreements.

[democrank]

18. This is the part I don`t get...

Miller`s colleagues stuck a jack under her and started pumping on the handle until she was high atop a pedestal. She was the heroine tied to the railraod tracks, a regular martyr. I don`t get it. A whistleblower who reveals something for the public good is one thing, but a reporter who helps cover up a crime? That`s a heroine?

[Disturbed]

27. Miller called Bolton.

He told her about Mrs. Wilson. Miller may not have called anyone to spread the story or she may have called many people.Can't the Prosecutor subpeana her phone records? Bolton also told Rove. Libby got the info from Cheney. Rove and Libby called around and shopped the story. It's one thing to find out about Mrs. Wilson but to know about Brewster Jennings, her covert Project is another mystery. How did anyone know about that?

[Samantha]

37. I thought that was more of the management of the NYT

I thought the average Joe there pretty much disliked her for the way she treated people.

I wrote a thread a couple of weeks ago asking if she was involved in Project Mockingbird. One of the interesting facts that emerged from the thread was the fact Miller had a telephone call with Cheney the day the Wilson Op-Ed piece appeared in the New York Times. Subsequent to Joe Wilson's article, Miller wrote an article herself pumping up the Yellow Cake assertions. A couple of weeks later, Cheney appeared on Meet the Press, championing the Yellow Cake statement. One of the sources he cited was an article in The New York Times by Miller. Is this a "coincidence?"

[Burried News]

19. If Bush survives I wouldn't be surprised if Miller is pardoned.

Who is Judith Miller and what does she know? Is she a hostage? Is she bait? She is very skilled at getting into the corridors of power - who trained her? Who will come to her rescue - rest assured someone will - and that will be a cover story as well? How do you get this high up in the NY Times hierarchy?

[tavalon]

42. I wouldn't be too impressed with her skill

at getting into the corridors of power. These days it only takes a weekend journalism workshop and some sexy pictures.

Jimmy-Jeff proved that one.

[Stephanie]

20. Oh. Wow. !!!

This is getting too GOOD!!! It's unraveling, friends!

Arrianna is an excellent writer - wow she is really hitting them hard. Thanks so much for posting.

So Miller got it from her friends in intelligence. Who are they? The neo-cons. She was in bed with the neo-cons. Who gave it to her? Intelligence. What was that stovepipe group? OSP?

[meg]

21. This is the story Rove desperately wants you to believe

Sure, Judy just called up her buds in the CIA and they blabbed. Why not? Yeah, right. Sure, Rove and Scooter boy heard the news from a reporter. Yeah, right.

[Stephanie]

25. Judy Miller is more than a reporter

Her source for her stories was Ahmed Chalabi. Chalabi is a neo-con. He's portrayed as an exile but he moved to the U.S. at the age of 12 and went to the University of Chicago. He has been involved in financial scandals. He is part of the group of neo-cons who conceived and executed this war. This gets to the very heart of the lies that got us into war. It's over for Bush.

[meg]

35. I don't doubt that Miller is a propaganda plant

rogue CIA or Pentagon rogue CIA or Mockingbird or whatever. She wrote 10 of the 50 propaganda pieces. She is obviously a tool. However, it is entirely too convent for Rove and Libby to imply that Miller picked up the phone and called her buddies at the rogue shop for dirt on Valerie Plame. Unless the buddies at the rogue shop were named Karl and Scooter.

[sandnsea]

26. Miller has alot of contacts

And it really doesn't matter where the original info came from, leaking it instead of stopping the leak is just as bad.

[Lexingtonian]

33. it does matter

Since she won't tell who it is who inside the CIA betrayed Plame, she's rightfully spending time in the Vertical Bar Hotel for knowingly aiding and abetting a felony. Probably soliciting it or conspiracy as well.

I'd bet on the OSP, the Feith/Wolfowitz people, as where she got the info.

[sandnsea]

36. She's no hero

I agree. I'd say OSP or Bolton, somebody who was pushing the war.

[Binka]

43. She's Mossad & She's Cheney's Mistress

Her loyalty is to Israel and her loving spoonful CrashCart. If she talks she will end up dead and she knows it. I think Arianna has some nice insight but I think she's off base about the source. It's Unka Dick. Where has he been lately? Just sayin'.

[H2O Man]

44. Correct.

OSP.

[Burried News]

55. Miller got an email from Kelly hours before slitting his wrist?

Did he think she could get a message to Garcia to stop those putting the pressure on him (one of the groups playing games was I think the words he used).
Or was Miller part of the group putting pressure on him.
Kelly's suicide I believe was a message to us, a communication. I don't think he was murdered. I believe the same was true with John Kokal.

[Burried News]

54. Maybe Judy called up her friends at somebody else's intel service.

[Supersedeas]

57. like the Intel outfit at the Pentagon, maybe

[sandnsea]

24. I wrote this 3 weeks ago

"It’s also important to remember that this case may not be as cut and dry as what many believe, that Karl Rove is the leaker. Editor & Publisher reports "Sources close to the investigation say there is evidence in some instances that some reporters may have told government officials -- not the other way around -- that Wilson was married to Plame, a CIA employee."

If Judith Miller exposed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative, then Judith Miller is refusing to talk in order to protect her own butt and using journalistic traditions to do it."

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1217

[Uncle Joe]

62. Even if Rove or Libby were not the original leaker,

(and that is a big if), it seems to me that by merely confirming it with Cooper/Novak they should be just as guilty.

[faithnotgreed]

28. laid out beautifully

thank you ms huffington

[Disturbed]

29. Go read this.

Steve Clemons

SCOOP: John Bolton Was Regular Source for Judith Miller WMD and National Security Reporting. TWN has just learned from a highly placed source -- and in the ...
www.thewashingtonnote.com/

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. And THAT is why the State Dept. won't give the Senate committee

the info/papers they have asked for! Bolton is connected to this scandal.

[passy]

50. The UN, Bolton and Immunity

If * appoints Bolton as temporary ambassador to the UN what kind of diplomatic immunity will he benefit from?
Could it stop any inquiry into his role in the Plame case?
Is that why he is being nominated in the first place?

[faithnotgreed]

32. yes~ there has been that speculation and it definitely fits

thank you for the link

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. VERY interesting!

From what I understand, Miller is HATED by her colleagues at the Times. They must be talking to Arianna, eh?

GREAT read!

[wookie294]

38. I love Arianna

She is an icon. I respect her more than any other pundit (though Noam Chomsky is a strong second).

[snot]

41. We need to analyze . . .

what this scenario would do to the legal case against Rove et al.

W.r.t. the specific statute, as I recall, the info has to have been info one was AUTHORIZED to have--so if Rove got it from Miller, he wouldn't be covered by the statute. He COULD, however, still be culpable of ordinary treason (surely there's some kind of common-law treason--or is there?)

As others have mentioned, of course, Bolton or someone else should still be in violation of the statute.

I'm beginning to see why it's taken/taking so long for this investigation to unfold.

[Ganja Ninja]

45. I'd like to see someone ask Scotty at the next press conference ...

if Judith Miller, in any capacity is an employee of the US government.

[Burried News]

58. But if she is an agent under cover he can't answer.

And if she is someone else's agent, he wouldn't know but her role would be even more important.

[dunn]

81. Can Fitz Expose Her if he Discovers She is a CIA Plant?

[Paradise]

46. kick. n/t

[Moderator]

47. BlueWolff

Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.


DU Moderator

[BlueWolff]

48. Sorry

It won't happen again


BlueWolff

[chimpymustgo]

49. The slow unravelling. The NYT management is in the middle of this.

They ALLOWED Judy Miller to publish this drivel, and they are protecting her now.

All the news that fit to print. Son of a gun.

[Burried News]

56. Are they protecting her out of love or out of fear?

There are lots of possibilities but they are not into it to defend the fourth estate.

[understandinglife]

51. ".. there's nothing like a brief stint in a minimum-security prison to .."

From July 6, 2005:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4030434


Judy is in jail today because she can't count to five. Soon, whether she can count to five or not, she's going to be in jail for a loooooooonnnnnnngggg time.

WATCH IT; SPREAD IT http://www.bushflash.com/right.html

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[Stephanie]

52. this is a must-read

:kick:

[wookie294]

53. NYT should fire Miller

Miller is either a terrible reporter or an undercover CIA agent promoting the Bush agenda. As more people start turning against her in the media, she could be humiliated into testifying to "clear her name" which is being strung thru the mud right now -- and rightfully so.

[ashling]

59. PRICELESS!!!

"It's nice that Bill Keller is visiting Judy in jail giving updates about how hard this is for her, having to be away from her family and friends. But it would be even nicer if we'd had some acknowledgement from Miller of her complicity in sending 138,000 American soldiers away from their family and friends. And, unlike Miller, they won't be returning home in October. Indeed, as of today, 1,785 of them won't be returning home at all."

God that lady is good!

[Burried News]

60. Whose 'we' BlueWolf

On Charlie Rose last night the rep from the DLC agreed with Charlie that this whole Rove thing is something the media is feeding.
We want a "positive" agenda.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200507%5CPOL20050715c.html
"(CNSNews.com) - Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack Friday said he will pursue a "positive agenda" as the new chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, which seeks "to modernize the progressive tradition in American politics for the 21st century."

"I'm proud and delighted to assume this new role," Vilsack said. "In my new capacity, I look forward to advancing reforms that will keep our country safe, give every American a chance to get ahead and reconnect our party with heartland values.

"There is nothing wrong with our country or our party that a positive agenda won't fix," he added. "I want all Americans who believe in security, opportunity and responsibility to feel they have a home in the DLC and the Democratic Party.""

[Burried News]

61. Keep it positive folks.

Enough with "the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth" stuff.
We can't keep it positive with investigations, trials for treason etc.
We can't keep it positive with marches on Washington, especially if we bring this guy:


And we can't keep it positive if we recognize a Constitutional Crisis.

[Stephanie]

65. WHAT are you talking about?

And what is "Burried"?

[Burried News]

69. The riderless horse is from the John F Kennedy funeral.

My remarks today are stimulated by this:
http://boards.charlierose.com/shop/
"TOM VILSACK
Governor of Iowa

AND

A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
STATE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WITH:
MARK HALPERIN
Political Director, ABC News
DAN BALZ
The Washington Post"

On the show Vilsack said the party has to move on from the Rove-Plame issue.
My view the backers of the Neocons want to move over to the Dems and Hillary is courting them. This will bury Traitorgate.
Hope this helps.

PS What is a Steph? Just kidding.

[wookie294]

72. Yeah, the DLC is a joke

The DLC would have told America to move-on from Watergate in 1973 when Woodward and Bernstein were reporting on it.

[GoreDean2008]

79. Hillary Must Retire from the Politics!

Bill and Hillary Clinton are just too good at kowtowing to the GOP extremists. They are not Al Gore. They are not Howard Dean. Because they are too scared and wimpy to fight against the GOP.

We need to unseat Hillary in 2006.

[Burried News]

70. Additional Info on Funeral

http://images.google.com/images?q=John%20F%20Kennedy%20Funeral&hl=en&hs=lbX&lr=lang_en&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wi

[Imagevision]

63. Judy Miller should stay where she is - the country is safer!!

[Burried News]

64. Let's watch and see who tries to get her out and why?

She is bait as well as chum.

[CAcyclist]

68. I'm Surprised Arianna Would Surmise This

I would think this was a Rovian tactic to get try to the blame off him and the Bush Admin.

There is no way Miller would be the source - someone *told* her - *that* person is the source. She probably was part of the spread - but the idea came from Karl Rove, I would bet on it. Sho couldn't be the source unless she snuck into CIA headquarters and read the files herself.

This idea also fits with right-wing tactics - take down the woman and let the men go free. Not that I would in any way want Miller to get off scot-free.

[Burried News]

71. Miller moved in this circle.

See post by SkullnBonz at:
http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=10298
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/602
"But it is difficult to gauge the horsepower the diminutive Benador generates. Her better-known clients need little help getting booked on to CNN; more often, she looks after their speaking engagements. The biggest beneficiaries of what Varadarajan calls the "Benador blitz" have been her media rookies. These include Iraqi exiles such as Kanan Makiya, the writer and academic, and Khidhir Hamza, former director-general of Saddam Hussein's nuclear programme."

[ecdab]

73. Miller is in the right place

but for the wrong reason.

[Burried News]

75. Welcome to DU. Just got here myself.

I'm really curious who and how they are going to spring her.

[xynthee]

74. permalink:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/judy-miller-do-we-want-_4791.html

[sagesnow]

76. Can't wait to meet Arianna

on the Nation's Cruise in November.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

80. HOLY SHIT! JUDITH MILLER is the geniusmastermind of Plamegate!

LOFL!

I heard of people falling OFF the turnip truck
but I never seen a mob JUMPING ON before.