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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 11:23 PM
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Bush: 49% Clark: 43% Bush: 52% , Dean: 38%
Bush: 50% Kerry: 42%
Bush: 53% Gephardt: 39%

Bummer - huh? All of our guys are trailing... Dean (the guy who will probably win the nomination) is losing by 14 pts. The candidates who are doing best against Bush are Clark, Kerry, then Gephardt.

Folks, all our candidates need to start doing some major work - especially Dean. He's appearing MUCH more Liberal than he really is. People have the wrong impression of him. He needs to clear that up FAST. I don't know if Bush's numbers are going to go down much more due to the media whores now being pressured to show "good news" about Iraq....

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030927/nysa010a_1.html
NEW YORK, Sept. 27 /PRNewswire/ -- Registered voters are split -- 46 percent yes, 47 percent no -- on whether they'd like to see President George W. Bush re-elected to another term, according to the latest Newsweek Poll. In a test match-up against President Bush, 43 percent of registered voters say they'd vote for retired Gen. Wesley Clark or lean toward voting for Clark, compared to 49 percent who'd vote for Bush or lean toward Bush. By comparison, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry trails Bush by 50 percent v. 42 percent of registered voters, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean trails Bush by 52 percent v. 38 percent and Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt trails Bush by 53 percent v. 39 percent, the poll shows.

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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 11:42 PM
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1. a better poll....
This one is from a week earlier though....

Poll: Bush down, Clark up
President virtually tied with five Democratic challengers
Monday, September 22, 2003 Posted: 11:40 PM EDT (0340 GMT)

.....Of the 877 registered voters included in the poll, 49 percent said they would vote for Clark, compared with 46 percent for Bush. Each of the four other major Democratic candidates came within three points of Clark's showing in a hypothetical head-to-head race with the president, the poll found.

Kerry narrowly outpaced the president, 48-percent to 47-percent. Bush held a slim lead over Dean (49 to 46 percent), Gephardt (48 to 46 percent) and Lieberman (48 to 47 percent).

President Bush's job approval rating dropped significantly after he requested $87 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan.
The poll of the 877 registered voters has a sampling error of plus-or-minus 3.5 percentage points.



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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 11:44 PM
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2. Which is why polls don't count
if 40% of your supporters were not registered until they came to your Meetup (DEAN) they aren't going to show up on that poll...

add them to Deans numbers, and you've got a solid win.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 11:50 PM
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3. 40% are NOT registered? Wow! Do you have a write-up or something?
That's encouraging....

Maybe there is hope. Where did they find those people? We need to follow up on that sort of thing.

That's another thing we need to do. Start registering people in the Dem areas.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 11:51 PM
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4. Gore was down 17%
at this time last cycle, wasn't he? Then he won.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 11:56 PM
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5. Didn't remember him being down that low - but you might be rightea
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:03 AM
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8. Here's a link
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Marlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:01 AM
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7. The media and press will never show Bush Really down
They always will make it appear fairly close, so even if our
candidate wins by zillions, when they declare Bush the winner,
it won't seem like an upset. I'm really afraid of voting with no
paper trail and no exit polling. Sometimes I think that's why Bush
can take a 35 day vacation, getin front of the UN and looks stupid,
blatantly give the finger to everyone and be cocky as hell - he
doesn't have anything to worry about. He thinks it's in the bag
same as last time. I hope I'm wrong... the dems better get to
thinking about these computers before the election, not after. Since
daddy got booted out of office, the right wing has become much more
powerful.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:36 AM
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10. You hit the nail on the head!! Something I been bitching about
for a longtime. They think they're slick because the media tells you in advance who's gonna win, so when it happens, it happened just like they told it would. So no questions.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 11:56 PM
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6. They havent even started yet
Give it 6 months
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:06 AM
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9. It's the same old Newsweek poll.
Do you believe that Lieberman is really doing this well?

It's so laughable.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 03:00 AM
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11. Yeah, but last week this same poll had Clark with a 3-point lead
over Bush, and now he is 6-points behind, that is a reversal of nine-points. What is clear is that the intense media attention Clark got has benefitted him and now it is waning and he is beginning to lose ground against Bush.

By the way, all of our candidates can beat Bush. And Gephardt and Dean are both 14-points behind Bush, but at this time in 2000, Al Gore was nearly 20-points behind Bush. These early polls are based more on name recognition than how people will actually vote in 2004.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 03:06 AM
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12. Sticker Shock
over the $87B is fading, that's all.

It is hard for the public to sustain outrage for more than a week. Afterall, there's football.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 03:15 AM
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13. I think it's encouraging
to see several Dems in the hunt against Bush. I'm not worried about the lower numbers, this will change as time passes. Bush is still leaning on higher "wartime" numbers, but that's fading.

I think people will come around, but it's not going to happen overnight.

Also don't count out all the newly registered folks coming on with the Dean campaign -- a significant portion of his supporters are brand new voters or people who haven't voted in a long time. I bet Clark is getting new people on board too.

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