Lets use the Correct word>>>>>>>>> Blastocyst

[bluedog]

Blastocysts
A human blastocyst


A blastocyst is a stage of development of an embryo when it is around five days old and made up of about 100 cells. A blastocyst at the stage at which embryonic stem cells would be extracted is still young enough to be able to divide into two embryos, making identical twins, or in rare cases, merge with another blastocyst, even one of the opposite sex<1>, to create a chimera, an individual comprised of populations of cells with two different sets of DNA. From the biological point of view, these points mean the blastocyst is not yet an individual. Blastocysts are an early developmental stage far from possessing a nervous system (or any other organs), and thus biologically speaking do not have feelings.



eople think "baby" when one say embryonic stem cells, the real word should be used always.......in spoken and written statements about this....you know how dense the right is.....

edit: spelling

[Vickers]

1. As someone mentioned in another thread: can you take a tax deduction

for that "child" ? No? Then it ain't a child.

[blondeatlast]

11. Don't give them any ideas. These MFers are so desperate they might

just do it.

[Vickers]

16. Then I'll take a deduction for every sperm in my nuts

Or at least half a deduction. :P

[blondeatlast]

18. There ya go! Damn, I'm losing all my deductions but fast

(periomenopause!)

[pk_du]

2. Perfectly put....thankyou n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

3. The blastocyst will, if not killed, ultimately develop into

what even you call a baby.

That's an undeniable fact. Life does begin at conception; from the beginning, the rapidly developing embryo shows all the traits that biologists use to identify something as being a living thing,

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. It's NOT a baby at that stage.

You just admitted that. ......"The blastocyst will, if not killed, ultimately develop into" Life does not begin at conception. Life begins at BIRTH.

[bluedog]

7. what I call a baby

is a being that grows inside the mother for months.........the first flutter is the sign of life.a woman feels this...

the process of ..freezing the "cells" which will probably never be used for a living breathing life......is a strange way to say that these "beings" should not be destroyed by cell research..........when in time these viles are tossed and destroyed.............thats where the GOP are wrong........they are disgarded and not used to even benefit living lives and in many cases babies............follow that logic
...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

25. Repeating something ad nauseam and calling it an "undeniable fact"

doesn't make it a fact.

"The blastocyst will, if not killed, ultimately develop into what even you call a baby."

The same could be said about a sudden urge to have sex.

[LeftyMom]

27. so does my sinus infection

Judging by the pain in my face, it's probably got a lot more than eight cells too. Anybody want to start a picket at the Kiaser pharmacy or can I go get some my antibiotics in peace?

We have to draw the line somewhere and if we're drawing it at organisms with few cells and no organization we're going to have to ban soap and antibiotics. No baking bread, all that yeast shouldn't die for your convenience.

You'd better plant all the seeds in your food too- that's a potential apple there in that core!

:sarcasm:

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. I agree! We should call it BLASTOCYST STEM CELL RESEARCH.

Put a pen dot on a piece of paper and show the sheeple what a BLASTOCYST looks like. HARDLY a 'baby' :eyes: The Democrats in Congress should NEVER, EVER, EVER call it Embryonic Stem Cell Research. That's just playing into the religious RWer's hands. Just like they tried to call Late Term Abortions, Partial Birth abortion. :grr:

[blondeatlast]

9. That is a good idea. "Embryonic" isn't even accurate.

Good thinking, and I'll pass it on to people in SCR activism, if that's okay by you.

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. PLEASE DO.

:hi:

[alfredo]

19. Accuracy doesn't matter to the Repugs.

Remember "Partial Birth Abortion"?

[Bouncy Ball]

22. "Embryonic" is accurate, it's just that

"blastocyst" is MORE specific.

"Embryonic" can refer to any point in time in the entire embryonic process of development. A blastocyst, however, is a very specific stage when the embryo is comprised of eight cells. And THAT is what many couples have frozen as a result of in vitro fertilization.

An analogy:

child

or

newborn, infant, toddler, preschooler, school-age, pre-teen, etc.

Embryo is a bit of a generic term, but blastocysts ARE embryos just like a toddler is a child.

[HockeyMom]

6. So many of these people are truly ignorant

of any and all biology. Apart from using the term baby, I have heard them call them fetuses and even, infants. They talk about harvesting "body parts" (???), or when the supply runs out from IVF, using "aborted babies".

If they refuse to even learn basic biology, they are absolutely hopeless.

[MisterP]

26. "toddlers," once even, by some woman to another DUer

[SpiralHawk]

8. I thought a blastocyst was Rush Limbaugh's excuse

for wiggling out of service to the nation in the military?

Or possibly what Jeff Gannon ejaculated ("Blast-O-cyst!") after his first date with Rush?

Could I be wrong?

This thread is very helpful in terms of "re-educating" me.

Thank you.

[Ilsa]

12. Next thing you know, an episode of lusting will need

protection as it could result in a baby.

[blondeatlast]

13. Interested in pushing for SCR? There's a new PAC dedicated

to it (it's also on the DU home page):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stempac/

Be forewarned--there is much praising fo Bill Frist occurring now, but those of us who have been pushing SCR are willing to take any help we can get!

[Nobody]

14. Around 40% of all blastocysts don't make it to the embryo stage

Without intervention from humans in any way. The woman doesn't even know it's there.

Also take into account fertility clinics. They create far more blastocysts than they need. What do they do with the ones they don't need?

There's a reason fertility clinics require more than one fertilized egg and multiple tries to get a live baby nine months later. The body rejects far more than it accepts.

[Bouncy Ball]

23. Very true.

And to make matter worse, most of the blastocysts in deep freeze right now are NOT high quality blastocysts. That's because if the parents have already had one or two or three or four transferred, they definitely had the highest quality blastocysts transferred (they are graded according to quality).

My friends still have three blastocysts in cold storage. Two are medium to low quality and one is very low quality. Chances are, even if they were donated to a surrogate (my friends have infant twins now from the two highest quality blastocysts and don't want any more), those blastocysts wouldn't make it because of their low quality.

[sam sarrha]

15. ist isnt a baby it is a cyst.. get used to it..!! that pig wont ever fly

[barbaraann]

17. I was amazed that Bill Frist used that very word yesterday.

:wow:

[bluedog]

20. BLASTOCYST STEM CELL RESEARCH..atten congresscritters

SAY:.........BLASTOCYST STEM CELL RESEARCH.

on all media and print material they put out........the members of congress should use this term.......the talking heads..should use this term.

remember language means a whole lot to this bunch ..they always turn it around and parse words.


gingrich taught them (http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000013.php......)



lets turn the tables...thisi is a winner!

[Bouncy Ball]

21. Yes, please.

While a blastocyst IS a stage within the entire range of embryonic development, it's far more accurate to call the eight-celled mass of balls that are frozen "blastocysts" than "embryos." One is just far mroe specific and accurate than the other.

[hfojvt]

24. Hey, life is not a malfunction, they are alive

Anybody looking to blast those cysts is going to have to go through me first. Life is precious and needs to be nurtured and protected until it reaches the age of 18 when it can be sacrificed on the altars of cheap oil and/or cheap labor.
Blasting cysts is violence against life, and - Huh. This isn't the lounge and I should not make jokes about blasting cysts.
Never mind.

Blastocyst or embryo it is still a simple triage - throw them away, store them frozen indefinitely, or use them for medical research. Some of them might be implanted, but there is no shortage of embryos to be implanted, and we can always make more. There are also plenty of five year olds more in need of help and protection to waste time worrying about manufactured embryos. Don't we make these or at least assemble them? Realistically, eggs and sperm with almost as much potential to become human life go down the drain all the time. Oh, the horror, the horror.

[lawladyprof]

28. I just read a wonderful article in the Chronicle of Higher Education

sorry can't remember the date or title--but the author made the argument that we need to consider how we define human life at the end of life because that is relevant to beginning of life issues. He contended that we consider death to have occurred (and this is pretty much true in all countries) when the individual is brain dead. The blastocyst has no brain nor a functioning nervous system. This level of functioning (different from Terry Schivo (spelling?) in an end-of-life person would not provoke any disagreement about preserving "life." The author said we need to rely more on the science underlying and the ethics of neurology (neuro-ethics?) to help us with beginning-of-life issues.