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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:39 AM
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4 rules for getting ahead in Murka
1. Lie
2. Cheat
3. Steal
4. Be born extremely wealthy
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Bellamia Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:43 AM
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1. And #5...
be "Born Again"
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:08 PM
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20. being born again
just helps those in #4 manipulate you through their organized religion scams.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:44 AM
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2. be a white male
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:58 AM
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5. that is now irrelevant
it just happens that that group is overrepresented in #4.

But being a "random" white male is probably a net disadvantage today IMHO.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:55 AM
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14. It's always been irrelevant
The working class was divided by this distinction. Personally, I believe this division was very deliberate.

The white working poor have been as much a part of this century as other groups. It's been easy to dismiss them for very reasons, but they've been there just the same.

Issues of racism? - YES definitely a huge and terrible tragedy.

But then I come to the chicken and egg dilemma...poverty or racism? I don't know, but I can say that it's much more difficult to practice racism when the group that's subject to the racism has economic power. I think questions of poverty, unemployment and the working poor need to be addressed not by drawing distinctions of race, but by placing emphasis on class.

Yes, I am playing the class war card because that's what it's ALWAYS been about.

The Repukes have been waging this war all along and have mastered the art of accusing their opponents (unionists, labor supporters) of trumping the class war card whenever they take a stand on economic justice, all the while taking legislative action against organized labor, giving more power to employers and taking rights away from workers.

Anyway, sorry to ramble...

No war but class war!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:59 PM
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16. "No war but class war!"
That is absolutely 100% true.

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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:45 AM
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3. 4 rules.
And those 4 rules completely describe republinazis.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:03 AM
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8. bingo
except for the repuke masses who consistently vote against their own self interests and have become willing slaves in teh class war.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:24 AM
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12. This is the most bizarre kind of groupthink
I'll never 'get it'.... How can you deliberately vote against your own economic interests?

Here's the thing.... Without economic justice all other rights (freedom of religion, speech, etc.) become almost meaningless in practical terms. All begins with and ends with economics.

Working class, get out the boots and get back in the fight...
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:10 PM
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21. as you, Union Thug, said above
Edited on Sat Jul-30-05 01:11 PM by leftofthedial
There is no war but class war.

ALL this--war, "terrorism," religious fundyism . . . ALL of it--is just the class war in progress. We are getting fucked.

:thumbsup:
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:55 AM
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4. These are not the rules. Just the shortcuts.
Most Republicans I know don't even take these shortcuts. They follow the real rules basically (work hard, be a good citizen, be personally responsible). But when these people feel cornered or attacked, then they feel free to take shortcuts or look the other way while someone else does. The reason Bush and his crew were able to take over the Republicans and drag them into the cesspool is that the Bush/DeLay types made Republicans feel cornered and attacked.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:58 AM
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6. Let me suggest Zinn's A Peoples' History of the United States
Those are, sadly, the rules. Those that follow the other set that your good Republican friends follow are patsies for the ruling class -- the latter lie, cheat, kill, go to war, do whatever it takes to "win".
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:10 AM
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9. Yeah, it's a shortcut to a short-term "win," but in the long run...
we'll all lose ("we" includes "them" for once here...)

:hangover:
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 12:20 PM
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15. Elites now are circling the wagons, abandoning vast swathes of us
History is the story of small groups of people appropriating for themselves the lions share of power, wealth, health, and security -- with moments of great beauty where the will of the people says "enough" and small progress is made and sometimes endures and sometimes evolves into greater good for a greater number.

Over the last 25 years progress has been defeated and reversed -- not beaten back to feudal times, but enough so that in an age where these things do not have to be, 45 million Americans have no health insurance, around 15% to 19% of us live under the very meager definition of poverty, productivity nearly doubled yet for 80% of us our share of the growing value we create remained stagnant or declined while CEO salaries zoomed from 50 times the company median wage to (for a while) over 500 times.

Then GWB comes along with his long list of "crimes" and "accomplishments" -- a narrative that includes insider trading while at Harken, awol from military service, collapse of shareholder value at every firm he joined, drunk driving and purported cocaine use, and profit (his only "win") from sale of his share of the Texas Rangers, a profit that amounts to an appropriation from small landowners (who lost their property to eminent domain) and taxpayers (who subsidized building the stadium that Bush and cronies owned).

From this GWB managed to become Governer of Texas, his only qualifying governmental experience prior to his pResidency, a state he managed to make a haven for corporate robber-barons, creating the brownest state in the union, which amounts a socializing of enviromental costs while the increased profits remain private. Where does Texas rank now in terms of quality of life -- in measures of health care, environmental and occupational safety, education, wages, etc.? Bush was a disaster for the many while a friend to the few, something he did for Texas and is doing to the entirety of the U.S. now.

Turn to the 2000 campaign, the "compassionate conservative" who would improve the "moral atmosphere" of the White House. It took Tom Delay's brownshirts in Miami and fixer James Baker's spin and backroom arm twisting to stop the vote count that would have given the election to Al Gore, the VP who along with Clinton reigned over one of the stronger economic runs this century -- all this leading, of course, to the infamous day our already weakened democracy died, December 12, 2000, when the SCOTUS in one of the most repugnant and hypocritical decisions ever stopped the count and handed Bush the Presidency.

I'll leave it there (we all know the disaster that has followed since). But, just as Republinazi's used to say about Clinton when they lynched him, what do we tell our children? What kind of example of justice and morality and equality and liberty have we seen unfold? What will these little brain-sponges soak up when witnessing this "magic formula" for success?

Recall these words from George Kennan, the father of post-WWII(US) foriegn policy (this from PPS 23, 1948):

    The US has about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming, and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives.

    We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease talks about such vague and unreal objectives as human rights and raising of living standards and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.

Unhampered by ideals and slogans, the USG has (successfully) endeavored to secure and sustain the great imbalance, an imbalance that primarily benefits the owning class. We don't invade Panama, escort a leader out of Haiti at gunpoint, mine the harbors of Nicaragua, lie ourselves into an illegal invasion of Iraq, or 50 other such tragedies (see Blum's Crushing Hope) because anyone perceives them, in themselves, to be a geniune threat. It's all about crushing the example of alternate models. The capitalist says Greed is Good in one breath and whispers apathy is better in the next -- all the more easy to exploit others when they have no hope for a better future!

Surely each of us, when we stare at our face in the morning mirror, tell ourselves, well, our government means well, we try only to advance freedom and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We comfort ourselves with this lie while those without morals and with the appetites of monsters pursue their personal gain.

Again, look at Zinn...meet the new boss, same as the old boss...same as it ever was...

    The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.
    --Frank Zappa, 1977


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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:13 AM
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10. Everything follows a normal curve.
It is a gross overstatement and overgeneralization to say that the unethical techniques described by the OP are the norm for "getting ahead."
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:02 AM
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7. I wonder where you live
I sure see no evidence of hard work paying off anymore, unless you are working hard to accomplish #s 1 through 3. And playing by the rules is the surest ticket to getting screwed that there is.

I agree that repukes become more and more evil and dangerous when they are cornered, but that's just a matter of degree and desperation. They are purely evil right from jump street.

For the rest of it? No good deed goes unpunished.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:21 AM
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11. I agree
working hard an playing by the rules at best lets you keep a regular job.

People I have seen move ahead are very adept at unethical behavior, are very agressive, and do not care who they hurt.

I know one fellow at a large CPA firm who was caught in travel expense fraud. He had to repay $25,000. He was promoted to partner, a position that pays oh about $300,000 per year. He is absolutely the slipperiest person you have ever met. For every person of his kind, there are 10 diligent smart people who are eventually let go because they are "not partner material".

If the average American has a cynical attitude towards work, this is why.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:30 AM
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13. Hard work does pay off. Smart work pays off more.
But I think you are right in that there is more cheating and lying going on than I'm used to.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:02 PM
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18. examples?
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:36 PM
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22. They are literally countless.
I know a lot of successful Dems and Republicans, and very few of them lie, cheat, or steal. Some do cheat and lie, and they definitely gain an advantage from it. But the vast majority don't do anything appreciably unethical, yet they live comfortably.

Now if you are talking about Bush et al, I have to agree that lying, cheating, and stealing are evident. Society has no safeguards against rogue assholes like Bush, Rove, Cheney, and DeLay. We are only starting to associate the symptons of Bushism with the disease agent. I do think Americans are learning the hard way that elected leaders need to be accountable, intelligent, respectful of rules and traditions, open-minded, etc. Too bad it took Bush's Folly (the Iraq War) to wake people up.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:43 PM
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23. until a few years ago, I knew many people working hard
and getting ahead

Sadly, in my experience, that is no longer true. Most of the people who have kept their jobs and the few who have prospered are the bottom feeders, the bushbots and the flat-out criminals.

good for you and your circle. I guess there are bastions still out there.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:01 PM
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17. My version, bit snappier
1. Lie
2. Cheat
3. Steal
4. Kill
5. Repeat
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 01:07 PM
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19. pretty much it
being born wealthy is still increasingly key too.

the haves are bleeding the entire planet dry.
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