Dean inlists Republicans, Bush operatives, to help run his campaign...

[wyldwolf]

Hilary Cleveland of New London, wife of the late Congressman James Cleveland, and a prominent campaigner for both President Bushes, is helping organize a Republicans for Dean movement.

Dean announced the names of 40 Republicans who will serve on a steering committee. Cleveland says she’s been a lifelong Republican, but will switch her registration to independent so she can vote for Dean in the presidential primary.

Cleveland was the New London co-chair for George W. Bush’s 2000 campaign and was the state finance chair Bush’s father in 1980.

http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/September2003/September_26/News/reg_pol_0926b.asp

What? Dean doesn't need them! They *"were republicans 25 days ago!"

*Dean on Wesley Clark, 9/28/03 Face The Nation

[Terwilliger]

1. Enlist

wouldnt want your bashing to have speeling errors

[wyldwolf]

4. Just stating a fact... it's news... and pointing out misspelled wurds..

...smacks of intellectual bankruptcy.

[Terwilliger]

6. sheesh

I wasnt attacking you, ya dolt

[wyldwolf]

9. Sounded like it.

Must have misunderstood. Sorry.

[Brucey]

2. If I understand Dean,

he is inviting repugs to support him for president, but doesn't think someone who was recently a repug would make the best nominee of the Democratic party. I mostly agree with him, although there are many other things to take into account, and I would support Clark as the Dem nominee in most scenarios.

[wyldwolf]

5. No, republicans are joing his campaign...

...and not just run of the mill republicans, either.

We're talking Bush enablers.

And notice they won't join the democratic party - they're going independent.

What a cop out for them. And for Dean.

[Terwilliger]

7. So that makes Clark AND Dean Republican lovers

I say they should BOTH be out of the running!!

[Cappurr]

3. Well obviously, this means Dean is a tool of the RNC, PNAC, BFEE

and Daffy Duck. :eyes:


But it does feel good to let those "purist" Deanies see what the real world of politics is like. :evilgrin:

[Nazgul35]

10. I would believe

that most Deanies were aware of the Gov.'s crossover appeal and were in fact comfortable with it....

This idea of lefty-liberal Dean supporters who can't see the forest for the trees is nothing more than projection from supporters of other candidates...

(sorry if that was sarcasm and I missed it)

PS: Your a busy little bee today W! What...is this the 37th thread you've started today?

:evilgrin:

[Romberry]

16. You didn't actually bother to read...

...the article did you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I Know You Mean Well But A Truce Would Be In Everybody's Best Interest....

This reminds me of 84 and it has nothing to do with the anti-insurgent-insurgent dichotomy....

In 84 I supported Hart and learned to hate Mondale... I thought he was a hack, a pol, a trimmer, etcetera....

I have come to learn that he was one of the "good guys" and just doing what he needed to do to get the nomination...

[janekat]

13. It's just that there's a HUGE amount of "Denial" going on....

with a lot of Deaniacs - and it happens to all of us at times. You are so enthralled with a candidate that you don't really look at some things with a critical and detached eye.

I was a Dean fan up until about a month or so ago. I've been reading up on his record in Vermont and THAT really did me in... This stuff is hard to find because a lot of his records are "sealed." I've been digging way into google.

I also don't like the way he's been conducting his campaign. I think he will do or say anyhtign to tget the nomination and then he's going to go "solidly" to the center. He will break a lot of hearts. Mainly of the more young/naive supporters of his. YOU may not care about his conservative leanings when it come to the environment and business - but I assure you many people will be blindsided...

[tjdee]

15. Do you mean...DEAN-ial?

Hehehehe, just joking.

[Cha]

34. There is No "Denial" gonin'..on only in the heads of people who

don't want Dean in the lead. they are the ones who are in Denial..

And now that you have supposedly seen the light ..you think everyone should think like you. Ain't gonna happen.

And you can "assure" all ya want. :-)

[NashVegas]

45. Deaniacs, Deanie-Babies ..

Name-calling is so unattractive ...

[sandnsea]

48. Deaniacs

They call themselves that in their own blog. Just so you know.

[Eloriel]

52. Actually, Jane,

he's the one viable candidate who will NOT say or do anything to get elected.

His record in Vermont is solid -- and it WAS pro-environment, pro-children, pro-Medicare, pro-Union, pro-woman, pro-CHoice, pro-balanced budget, and most of all pro-honesty and integrity.

I don't know who your guy is, but whoever it is can't hold a candle to Dean in electibility + pro-democracy + proven track record of governing + sensible, DOABLE positions.

And I'm no spring chicken, as they used to say in MY grandma's day.

Eloriel

[Ellen Forradalom]

55. Of course he will tack to the center

That's what you have to do to win the general election. Getting the nomination is about lining up support from Democrats, not from the general population.

[bitchkitty]

11. No comparison -

Dean didn't do fundraising for the BFEE in 2001.

All this silly post does is magnify the differences betweeen them, and make me like Dean all the more.

[retyred]

28. Dean didn't do fundraising for the BFEE in 2001

No! But the 40 or so folks he's aligned himself with now probably did, being a prominent campaigner for both President Bushes and all.


CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

[Cha]

35. That's just disingenous....these People hate bush....as anybody

in their right mind would...you people are holding up a real lame issue here.

I read about this Yesterday and was happy to welcome them into the fold ...

[wyldwolf]

12. Let's sum it all up now...

On Face The Nation, Dean (incorrectly or at least without proof) says Clark was a republican up to 25 days ago.

However, he brings in Republican Bush enablers to help his campaign.

Showing that having percieved republican leanings is OK as long as you're HELPING his campaign and not hurting it.

What a hypocrite!

[Code_Name_D]

21. You reek of hypocrisy yourself.

Hello, the Republicans are joining Dean's campaign to SUPPORT DEAN. The whole idea of the primary is to see who can win in the general election, right? Well, it looks like Dean is showing that he can build that support by appealing to Republicans and getting them to not only vote for him, but help convert other Republicans to the Dean camp.

Tell me, how is this NOT a good thing. All though it spell out a bad thing for Clark, and all Deanitics are bad and evil for spitting out the rove talking points.

You openly rail about the fact that Dean has expressed Clarks republican credentials. Come on, Clark fundraised for the Repugs. What more evdince do you need? I suspect you are aware of just how damaging and immutable this fact is against Clark, so you respond attacking Dean, and attacking the closest hint you find of any Dean's Republican connections.

It's becoming clear. Clarks greatest liability, is coming from his own suporters.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. It's becoming clear , Clark a-n-d Dean's greatest liability, is coming

from their own supporters...

This is like some political death match....

[Code_Name_D]

29. Oh I disagree.

The Clark flame threads is a clear manifestation in an ever present split in the Democratic party. A split being defined by the Republican lights who openly support the PNAC agenda and serve the corporations, against those who are trying to restore the liberal and progressive roots to the party that has been banished by the GOP.

It was the DLC apologists that argued that the Democratic party is a "big tent." But we see the quality of just how open that tent happens to be as any one who asks a critical question of Clark is instantly painted as working for Karl Rove.

The flame wars may be heated now. But I suspect that the Clark campaign has already come to an end. The Clark cluckers know this, and is why they keep attacking Dean supporters, and Dean himself. I saw one Clark Clucker try to tie Dean in with the murder and subsequent cover up of Woodward. Um, can you say Vince Foster?

The wars are a good thing. And the truth shall prevail. Too bad Clark chose to stand with the dark side Democrats.

[Cha]

36. It's not clear to me.

[mandyky]

54. One of the logical reasons I chose to support Dean,

was because of his NRA rating and his message of balancing budgets, I knew he would appeal to moderate republicans and independents.

It is also why I get so mad when the media labels Dean as a liberal.

Emotionally, and as a Democart, I liked Deans message and realization of what we hear at DU refer to as the pink tutu crowd running for president.

[SWPAdem]

30. Gee,

and the Repugs DO NOT have a history of supporting Green candidates in order to pull votes from a Democrat that has a chance of beating a Repig...and Rove does not want Dean to be the candidate, does he? The Repigs would never do anything so devilish, would they?

[Cha]

37. Huh? What's so hard unless you are being obtuse of understanding

People who do Not want bush to win?

[SWPAdem]

47. What I don't understand is your question

n/t

[Cha]

49. My "question" is why is it so hard to understand why republicans

would be switching over to support a Dem instead of neocon bush?

[wyldwolf]

38. Ooh ooh that smell...

the Republicans are joining Dean's campaign to SUPPORT DEAN
So, if Dean associates himself with Republicans to HELP his campaign, it is ok.

If one of Dean's competitors - Clark - associates with Republican, it's bad because Clark is HURTING Dean's campaign.

The smell of Dean double standard hypocrisy is stinking up the place.

[Cha]

42. You're the one who started this flamebait with your altered

caption to suit your own hypocricacy. There's a difference welcoming former disenchanted bush Voters into the fold and being someone who is running for president who was a former republican. I'm not saying Clark hasn't changed ..all I'm saying is it's okay to be excited about repubs turning away from bush...WooHoo! :D

[bushclipper]

44. bwahahahahaha...

Paraphrasing. Learn the word. And if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

46. What the hell are you talking about?

[Cha]

51. "paraphrasing" to suit your own hypocricy!

And you can tell me to stay on the porch all you want.. but this maverick doesn't take direction from the likes of you.

[bitchkitty]

53. Clarks greatest liability, is coming from his own suporters

I agree wholeheartedly. It's making me dizzy, all the spin and moronic justification. Some people here are acting like Rethugs - they can't defend, so they attack. It's reprehensible.

[Romberry]

14. Last time I looked...

...drawing the other guy's supporters was a good thing. A lot of moderate Republicans will vote for Dean. Nothing wrong with that. We need 'em.


BTW, it is absolutely FFFFing dishonest to intentionally alter a headline into flame bait. If you are going to post the link, at least post the correct headline.

Noted N.H. Republican endorses Democrat Dean

[wyldwolf]

18. Two silly things about your post.

1. Drawing the other guy's supporters is EXACTLY what Clark is doing.
2. I made no statement, not did I imply, I was altering a headline.

The only forum you have to use headlines in is Latest Breaking News.

It's called paraphrasing.

Try again.

[Romberry]

20. You seem to have the same idea of honesty,...

...as some members of that other party. Your title was intentionallu misleading. Denying it just makes you look bad.

[wyldwolf]

31. The title was accurate...

...you just don't like it.

[Cha]

39. It's called fu=king flamebaiting.

[bitchkitty]

60. Paraphrasing!

That's hilarious. No, honey, it's called deceptive advertising.

[janx]

17. Dean didn't "inlist" (enlist) them--they volunteered.

Dean has huge appeal to people from all over the political landscape.

[wyldwolf]

19. By accepting, Dean enlisted them...

enlist: To engage the support or cooperation of


try again.

[janx]

23. If I were Dean, I would have gladly accepted their support.

By the way, don't you have anything better to post than this constant bashing of candidates you don't support?

[virtualobserver]

26. Yeah, saying "We don't want your support or your vote" .....

sounds like a brilliant strategy.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. Hilary Cleveland is running for President?

I guess that's what they mean by "Hilary" jumping into the race.




I may want Hilary's help but I sure as hell don't want her to be POTUS.

[Cha]

40. Good Point!

[retyred]

24. So I guess voting

Repuglican 20 years ago would/should be a moot point when you're now seeking the aid of a prominent campaigner for the present usurper in chief AND his daddy along with 39 others from the RIGHT side of the tracks in order to win.

I find it amusing that while supporting Dean, they don't want to support his party (sic) by regestering independent just to vote for him. Hmmmmm!



CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

[not systems]

27. Great!

I'm happy to see Dean reaching out and drawing support
from people who supported Bush in 2004.

Each one that joins Dean will be one more step in
regime change in 2004.

Go Dean!!!

[bluesoul]

32. Hmmm

I just hope that doesn't mean bringing in some policies of the Bushistas...

[CheshireCat]

33. Good for Dean

While Dean is not my first (or 2nd) choice for the Democratic nominee, whoever is to beat the bushistas in 2004 will need some crossover support. If Dean can get it, then good for him.

Look, I am not kidding myself this election cycle by thinking a Democrat that is left-leaning enough to please me is going to win in 2004. Getting rid of the Bushistas' is TOP priority! If Dean can do it, so be it. If any of the others can do (except Lieberman), good for them, too.

Face it, folks. We need the crossover support.

The goal for 2004 is to get rid of Bush.

The goal for 2008 is to elect someone progressive enough to do what needs to be done in getting this dog-eat-dog capitalism under control.

[Cha]

41. Oh, they know "we need the cross over support" they just don't

want Dean to be the one who gets it! It's way transparent.

[JNelson6563]

43. kind of off topic but

I was wondering, for all the bandwidth you consume, will we be seeing a star by you rname anytime soon?

Just askin'.

Julie

[deutsey]

50. Clinton was a REPUBLICAN!!!!!

Remember? He let slip the truth during his first State of the Union Address when he said "my fellow Republicans" to the GOP side of Congress?

That dang ol' Slick Willie...

:eyes:

[MGKrebs]

56. I've got the insider info on this:

Those new repub supporters are BFEE plants. As with everything they do, it is being handled clumsily, so everybody, including Trippi, knows this. They are bringing them in so they can keep a closer watch on them.

In fact, they are going to claim they can funnel millions of dollars from Howard Ahmanson into the campaign, and then either pull the money out at the last minute, bankrupting the campaign, or try to get the campaign in trouble with the FEC. Either way, they will gain access to the donor and volunteer lists, and we would all be subject to tax audits, airline watch lists, and targeted Christian Reconstructionist house calls.

Not only that, we will be removed from the voter rolls due to some "glitch", and even if we were able to cast a ballot, our votes will be flipped.
Finally, the end game is that when the draft is reinstated, we will be the first to be called up, and we will be sent to Syria indefinitely.

Instead, Trippi and Dean will use these people to gain information about specific abuses of the voting machines, discover that Ahmanson is gay, and expose that the PNAC is being funded by North Korean proto-businesses that can't wait for Sung or Kim or whatever his name is to die.

You just wait and see.

[not systems]

57. Finally someone knows what really going on!!!

:tinfoilhat:

[SweetZombieJesus]

58. Got something for ya...

[Clovis Sangrail]

59. I like cheese n/t