I *Cannot Wait* Until Clinton and Some of the CBC Come Out for Clark's

[DoveTurnedHawk]

Democratic and liberal credentials, which I am confident they will, if anyone beyond the fanatic Dean-supporters and far-left fringe starts to buy into this bullshit about Clark secretly being a Republican.

It will make all of the people who stirred this shit look like idiots, and those who continue trying to stir this shit after the Clintons and some of the CBC vouch for Clark will just look even more marginalized and shrill.

I am looking forward to it with an "Excellent, Smithers" level of anticipation.

DTH

[PA-DEM]

1. there is only 1 reason Dean is attacking Clark now

George
W. Bush --- 49%
Wesley
Clark ---43%

George
W. Bush ---52%
Howard
Dean ---38%

9/23-24
Wesley Clark 20
Howard Dean 13
John Kerry 10
Dick Gephardt 9
Joe Lieberman 9
John Edwards 5

[DoveTurnedHawk]

2. I Agree, It Exposes Dean as a Run-of-the-Mill Politician

Desperately seeking the power and trappings of the Presidency, above all else.

DTH

[AWD]

3. As opposed to ...

...a run-of-the-mill Repuke?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

4. "far left fringe"

If that's what Clark and his people think of us, he won't get my vote. I've done everything I can to defend a fellow working class guy who served in the military instead of the typical career politicians and businessmen and lawyers who usually run. And you probably consider me "far left fringe".

But if Bi-Partisan Clark thinks he's going to win the Democratic nomination by bashing the "far left fringe" and green types, he's delusional. Doesn't Rush Limbaugh think Clark is the "far left fringe"?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

7. Clark Isn't Saying Anything, I Am

And I love Clark's humble roots as well, especially given how he never brags about them.

DTH, Who Can't Stand Certain Elements of the Far-Left Fringe

[AWD]

13. Mm hmm

DTH, Who Can't Stand Certain Elements of the Far-Left Fringe

Which is probably why you support a Repuke.

[boxster]

18. If Clark is a Republican, then so is Dean.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=423028

Why is it impossible for people to see the positive qualities in BOTH of these guys? It's not like they are night-and-day in their beliefs on the issues.

I just don't get it. I don't understand how you and other posters can just dismiss Clark as a Republican with no information whatsoever. It's like some Rove mantra, repeated with the intention of making a lie appear to be the truth. If it's repeated enough, it must be the truth.

I like Dean nearly as much as I like Clark. But, if I were to make a decision based on his supporters (which I will not), I sure wouldn't vote for Dean based on this senseless crap.

Rant over.

Edit: credit to janekat for the research and the links

[PA-DEM]

12. Clark bashing far left?

Do you have links to these bashings?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

17. They Are ALL OVER the Place

All you have to do is look.

DTH

[jonnyblitz]

19. "There are bolsheviks in the bathroom!!"

Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him. :crazy:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

23. Nice Hyperbole

It's also, of course, complete BS. Are you trying to deny that certain elements of the far-left have taken a hardline stance against Clark? Just look at how much play that ludicrous CounterPunch article gets around here, for Christ's sake.

DTH

[noiretextatique]

15. i don't think this is clark's strategy

just the strategy of some of his more ardent supporters here. his strategy is to attract the military, swing voters, and republicans. the left is supposed to fall in line with this strategy because clark is sounding liberal-like on domestic issues. it could very well be a winning strategy.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

22. that's what I hope

That was the original Clark idea wasn't it? But he's got to do something about "free trade" and corporate power or the left will just vote for Nader again. Clark can't pick up enough military and Republicans to offset huge losses of Greens and lefties and liberal Democrats. It would be a disaster.

[Cornus]

5. Dean used to be...

...my second choice after Clark, but after seeing him on TV this morning, he's dropped to the bottom of my list. That moves Lieberman up a notch for me! Dean is now in last place.

[diplomats]

6. I'm pretty sure Clinton won't endorse any candidate

until the primaries are over, but he has said nice things about all of them. But I do like the fact Charlie Rangel backs Clark. I imagine he'll be getting some other congressional endorsements soon.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

8. No Endorsement Necessary

That's the beauty of it. All Clinton has to do is say, "You know, there's been a lot of talk about Wesley Clark being a Republican. I know Wes Clark, I trust Wes Clark, and let me tell you, Wes Clark is a Democrat."

Watch for it.

DTH

[bicentennial_baby]

11. He spoke at the CBC dinner last night

and he's having a closed-door meeting with some members of Congress on Tuesday, according to the schedule on the campaign website.

[Cocoa]

9. there's kind of an intimidating quality to your post

Reminds me of people trying to keep people from asking about WMD, with the threat that they're going to look foolish, or Rummy saying if you call it a quagmire you're going to look foolish.

Actually I'm raising my concerns about Clark under the assumption that Clinton fully supports him, and under the knowledge that Rangel supports him.

Their support means something to me, but at the same time I still have my questions just like before.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

16. "Intimidating" Huh? What Am I Going To Do, Reach Through the Screen

And smack someone?

I don't give a fuck if people consider me intimidating. If one's convictions are so weak, if one's courage is so lacking, that my mere words are going to intimidate them, then they probably don't have what it takes to be posting in a public forum.

DTH

[Cocoa]

21. well, I'm not pretending I'm certain about my suspicions about Clark

I'd like to be able to raise concerns like this without the feeling that if they turn out to be misplaced that that somehow proves my questioning to be wrong.

This way of discussing makes me think of the way people trash talk when they're talking about sports. Like the famous feud between the OSU fan and the Michigan fan which got ridiculously out of hand.

I'm not trash talking Clark when I'm saying his involvement in Acxiom bothers me, and that his decision so far not to comment on it has only compounded it. If it turns out to be benign, then I'm still right for having brought up my concerns.

[AWD]

10. Hmmmm....

"Excellent, Smithers", you say?? And Monty Burns was a.......Repuke???

Geez, how many Repukes do you plan to follow anyway???

[DoveTurnedHawk]

14. OMG

"Excellent, Smithers", you say?? And Monty Burns was a.......Repuke???

Geez, how many Repukes do you plan to follow anyway???

Now we can't even use POPULAR CULTURE REFERENCES to hilarious CARTOON characters without being accused of being a Republican?

Aren't you running for some kind of office? What does that say about you -- and your judgment -- to say something as silly as this?

DTH

[QC]

20. Check out the "On the Issues" link on his website.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

24. THAT IS PRICELESS!

I wonder if AWD is one of those folks who bashed Clark for having an "under construction" issues page at one point!

Based on his posts...my guess would be "probably"!

Thanks for the heads-up!

:toast:

DTH

[QC]

25. The "Give Me Money" page appears to work just fine, though.

[barbaraann]

26. Please read this and tell me what makes Clark a Dem.

http://www.clark04.com/about/

Honestly, I don't see anything in his official bio that signals to me that he is a liberal or a Dem. Even Joe Lieberman has more Dem credentials--to his eternal credit he marched for civil rights in the sixties.