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SkipNewarkDE Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:02 PM
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Religious Insantiy in Hoboken
Jesus statue opens one eye all of a sudden in Hoboken, NJ.

"It's an absolute miracle...That's a sign: Something's getting ready to happen."

Much like the salt and dirt stain Mary under the overpass (which looked more like a gaping vagina to me, but that's just where my mind is on that particular Rorshach blot) the faithful and curious are coming out in droves, and making pious pronouncements.

The beat-up old plaster statue was found in a trash bin, and the eye apparently opened when the partially blind owner was cleaning it.

More likely something either rubbed or broke off.

Never mind the fact that Jesus has blue eyes... (I lived in the middle east for years and saw no one with blue eyes that was from around there)

But the insanity which surrounds this kind of thing escapes me. You get the wild hopes of some people just hoping and waiting for some kind of miracle, attaching some sort of great significance to something like this, or a crap stain on a cement wall, or whatever, and yet time and again, no payoff. This is just kooky and nuts.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:05 PM
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1. If the other one opens, I'm outta here . . .
Anthony Purvis, 11, silently stared at the statue for about 90 seconds and then turned to four of his boisterous friends and said, "If the other one pops open, I'm going to run. I'm out of here."

Not everyone who gathered around the statue was convinced that its supposed awakening was an act of God.

"It's just a sculpture," said Wanda Aldea, 14, shaking her head. "I think somebody just scraped its eyelid off."

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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:06 PM
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2. Obvious crap. But just a point on
your analysis of blue eyes in the middle east. 2000 years ago the demographics of that area were very different. Just like the ancient and classical greeks. they were blonde haired and blue eyed also. The mediteranean was not populated by the same ethnicities as today.

Not to give the christian fanatics any racist meat, but its the facts.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:10 PM
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5. Even today
Kids in Iraq:
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:08 PM
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3. That gives me an idea....
Image of Virgin Mary appears on the Downing Street Minutes

(London) Hundreds of evangelicals are now demanding to see the Downing Street Minutes after being told that an image of the Virgin Mary has appeared on the document right after the sentences, "C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD."

And before the section reading,"But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record."
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:11 PM
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6. Wow! Very, very funny!
Also I think it has been determined that Supply-side-Jesus has blue eyes.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:09 PM
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4. Hoboken? Ooooooo I'm dying!
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:38 PM
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11. Heh Heh, Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny
:)
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:12 PM
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7. Thought this was going to be from "The Onion"...Ingersoll on Superstition
Ok, I thought this was going to be a parody piece from "The Onion". People are so gullible. How long ago was the grilled cheese sandwich with the face of Jesus for sale on Ebay?

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WHAT IS SUPERSTITION?(1898)
Robert G. Ingersoll
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/superstition.html

excerpt

WHAT IS SUPERSTITION?

To believe in spite of evidence or without evidence.

To account for one mystery by another.

To believe that the world is governed by chance or caprice.

To disregard the true relation between cause and effect.

To put thought, intention and design back of nature.

To believe that mind created and controls matter.

To believe in force apart from substance, or in substance
apart from force.

To believe in miracles, spells and charms, in dreams and
prophecies.

To believe in the supernatural.

The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.

In nearly every brain is found some cloud of superstition.

A woman drops a cloth with which she is washing dishes, and
she exclaims: "That means company."

Most people will admit that there is no possible connection
between dropping the cloth and the coming of visitors. The falling
cloth could not have put the visit desire in the minds of people
not present, and how could the cloth produce the desire to visit
the particular person who dropped it? There is no possible
connection between the dropping of the cloth and the anticipated
effects.

A man catches a glimpse of the new moon over his left
shoulder, and he says: "This is bad luck."

To see the moon over the right or left shoulder, or not to see
it, could not by any possibility affect the moon, neither could it
change the effect or influence of the moon on any earthly thing.
Certainly the left-shoulder glance could in no way affect the
nature of things. All the facts in nature would remain the same as
thought the glance had been over the right shoulder. We see no
connection between the left shoulder glance and any possible evil
effects upon the one who saw the moon in this way.

A girl counts the leaves of a flower, and she says: "One, he
comes; two, he tarries; three, he courts; four, he marries; five,
he goes away."

Of course the flower did not grow, and the number of its
leaves was not determined with reference to the courtship or
marriage of this girl, neither could there have been any
intelligence that guided her hand when she selected that particular
flower. So, counting the seeds in an apple cannot in any way
determine whether the future of an individual is to be happy or
miserable.

Thousands of persons believe in lucky and unlucky days,
numbers, signs and jewels.

Many people regard Friday as an unlucky day -- as a bad day to
commence a journey, to marry, to make any investment. The only
reason given is that Friday is an unlucky day.

Starting across the sea on Friday could have no possible
effect upon the winds, or waves, or tides, any more than starting
on any other day, and the only possible reason for thinking Friday
unlucky is the assertion that it is so.

So it is thought by many that it is dangerous for thirteen
people to dine together. Now, if thirteen is a dangerous number,
twenty-six ought to be twice as dangerous, and fifty-two four times
as terrible.

It is said that one of the thirteen will die in a year Now,
there is no possible relation between the number and the digestion
of each, between the number and the individual diseases. If
fourteen dine together there is greater probability, if we take
into account only the number, of a death within the year, than
there would be if only thirteen were at the table.

Overturning the salt is very unlucky, but spilling the vinegar
makes no difference.

Why salt should be revengeful and vinegar forgiving has never
been told.

If the first person who enters a theater is cross eyed, the
audience will be small and the "run" a failure.

How the peculiarity of the eyes of the first one who enters,
changes the intention of a community, or how the intentions of a
community cause the cross-eyed man to go early, has never been
satisfactorily explained.
Between this so-called cause and the so-
called effect there is, so far as we can see, no possible relation.

To wear an opal is bad luck, but rubies bring health. How
these stones affect the future, how they destroy causes and defeat
effects, no one pretends to know.

So, there are thousands of lucky and unlucky things, warnings,
omens and prophecies, but all sensible, sane and reasoning human
beings know that every one is an absurd and idiotic superstition.

Let us take another step:

For many centuries it was believed that eclipses of the sun
and moon were prophetic of pestilence or famine, and that comets
foretold the death of kings, or the destruction of nations, the
coming of war or plague. All strange appearances in the heavens --
the Northern Lights, circles about the moon, sun dogs, falling
stars -- filled our intelligent ancestors with terror. They fell
upon their knees -- did their best with sacrifice and prayer to
avoid the threatened disaster. Their faces were ashen with fear as
they closed their eyes and cried to the heavens for help. The
clergy, who were as familiar with God then as the orthodox
preachers are now, knew exactly the meaning of eclipses and sun
dogs and Northern Lights; knew that God's patience was nearly
exhausted; that he was then whetting the sword of his wrath, and
that the people could save themselves only by obeying the priests,
by counting their beads and doubling their subscriptions.

full article at above link.

More Works of Robert G. Ingersoll Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/index.shtml
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:14 PM
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8. And now the gods of the internets have adapted
to bring bad luck to people who discontinue electronic chain letters.
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quisp Donating Member (926 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:56 PM
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18. I'm not superstitious, it's bad luck to be superstitious... n/t
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:15 PM
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9. Parlor tricks (warning sui offensive)
These "miracles" are rather tawdry. Not what I would equate with the almighty.

Provincial deities, perhaps. Walking on water - wowie zowie if I were a goat herder 2000 years ago. Everything - setting bushes on fire, scribbling stuff on the wall, giving "signs"; none of these things are all that impressive. David Copperfield, now that's some freaky stuff. Did Jesus ever saw anyone in half and put them back together again? Do any cool card tricks? Make the statue of liberty disappear? I didn't think so.

So the virgin mary on a piece of toast and her vulva (or whatever that was) on an underpass - not such a big deal.

I want something with more horsepower than mouldy cheese sandwiches and eyeballs in dumpsters before I'll buy into it.

-Thomas, D.

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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:29 PM
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10. I could be rich now
In 1984, I moved into a condo that had an amazing image on the back of the bathroom door. The door was made of birch laminate and the image in the grain very much resembled the negative of the image on the Shroud of Turin.
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swimboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:40 PM
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12. Once I bought a sweet potato shaped like the Eraserhead baby.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:52 PM
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16. They're manmade... they're new! Just cut em like regular chickens.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:12 PM
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19. LOL
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:43 PM
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13. Hey, you're talking about people that...
believe in an invisible man in the sky. :banghead:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:48 PM
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14. Well, she was "praying to stop the war," she said. Now we'll know it
really IS a miracle if the war stops...

Has it stopped yet?

.....How about now?

....(Tapping feet, goes outside for a cig)

...Still not stopped?

Damn. Just another false alarm.

Redstone
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:49 PM
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15. The Third Commandment "Thou shall not make yourself an Idol."
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:27 PM
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21. I thought it was
"Thou shall not make yourself an Idiot." Obviously the fundies don't follow this one all that much. Like never.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:53 PM
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17. Thanx! Sending it to my son who lives in Hoboken - home of "Winking Jesus"
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 01:58 PM by Jersey Devil
He'll get a kick out of this one. Hoboken, btw, for those of you unfamiliar with it, is quite liberal politically.

So now in addition to being famous as the real birthplace of baseball and Ole Blue Eyes, it is now the home of the Winking Jesus!
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:21 PM
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20. Gee, ya think some enterprising person PAINTED IT ON?!!
These sightings remind me of that story from the early 1900's (I think this is how the story goes anyway) where two little girls claimed to have photo evidence of fairies in the woods near their home. Finally when they were in their 80's they confessed it had been a hoax that they created.

It's just sad how desperate for miracles we've become.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:29 PM
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22. Maybe it means the rapture is coming
and the fundies will go away...

What can I say, I'm an optimist! :)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 02:31 PM
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23. Or was that a wink?
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 09:41 AM
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24. Why do Catholic Hispanics only see grilled cheese Virgin Marys, etc...?
True believers started coming to the scene outside a Jackson St. housing project two days ago after Julio Dones began telling people that one of the eyes suddenly opened as he was cleaning the "sleeping" statue.

Why is it that Lutherans named Knut Amundsen never happen to discover these weeping/blinking/bleeding statues or images of Jesus or Mary on the sides of buildings?

This is not meant to be disrespectful to Hispanics, as I know that many are very devout in their faith. That being said, you can't deny there is a very obvious trend when these stories pop up.

I think some people just get so carried away, they see things they WANT to see, but aren't actually there. Sort of a hysterical reaction to religion...sort of on the same line as speaking tongues for some Pentacostals.

What do you think?

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 09:51 AM
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25. Remember that Steve Martin film [i]Leap of Faith[/i]? (eom)
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