DU is like a hot pot about to boil over....

[kentuck]

Perhaps it is the hot dog days of summer? But one senses from the comments in the last day or two, that the lid is about to blow off. Many of us are at the end of our rope with this criminal Administration in power. Just when you think it can get no worse, it always does. So, eventually, we turn on each other - out of frustration mostly. We just need to be aware the direction we are going and correct course whenever necessary....

[karlrschneider]

1. It ain't that bad...yeah lots of us are really pissed off but I think we

can pretty much pull or push in generally the same direction when (oh shit, I have to say it...)when push comes to shove. :D

[Bouncy Ball]

2. Eh, I think it ebbs and flows, honestly

[lizzieforkerry]

3. I have noticed in the last couple of days a large number of Trolls

I think they are just getting on everyone's nerves. Most of them don't post anything so outrageous that they can be alerted on- just enough to be really annoying.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

7. It happens every time there's a major political event

that makes them think they can rub salt in the wound. Such charming people they are... :puke:

[smomfr]

21. Bush quote "I'm a war president¨"

Bushism or freudin slip I´d like to see "I´m a whore president".

[Kool Kitty]

47. Excuse me, but you must not have gotten the memo.

This is no longer a "war on terror", it is a "struggle against violent extremists". ;-) Mr. Bush is no longer a "war President", he is a "struggle President".

[Buns_of_Fire]

76. boosh*'s struggle. Catchy concept.

Maybe he'll have some starving ghostwriter pen a book about it in the future. "My Struggle" -- yeah, that's a catchy title. Especially when the international sales kick in and it's translated to several foreign languages -- German, for example.

[newyawker99]

48. Hi smomfr!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mattclearing]

56. Yeah, I mentioned this last weekend and got my thread locked.

Because I singled out the DLC talking pointers. It would be one thing if they said they agreed with the DLC and why, but most of them just say, "I support Hillary cause she can win!"

Give me a break.

[Generator]

67. As I feel utter despair at the moment

I'll just say what I really think: anytime someone with a Hillary Clinton avatar and a recent member comes on yaking about anything: I believe they are a Republican. The Republican talking point number uno is Hillary for Pres! She's the most electable..hardee har har. Anybody else that is a long time DU'er.. are they really that dumb? And besides all that crap..anybody that's been paying attention for even just the last few months would NOT want her to be President.

[Ksec]

4. I agree

Ive also noticed it feels like Im the mouse and a big cat is ready to pounce at any second. Thats not good. People seem uptight

[Sapphire Blue]

17. So... just kick back

[SlowDownFast]

53. LOL!

Very apt response.

[BlueWolff]

5. I know what you mean

I was watching a repeat of the Scotty LYING to the press conference today. I got so angry...I ate a pint of Ice Cream in 2 minutes. Then just switching the channels I saw tweety acting like a dummy, and all of the Bolton news...It is too much for one persons nerves. Things feel so out of control.

[Pepperbelly]

11. surprised THAT didn't give you mega brain-freeze! nt

[BlueWolff]

16. It did until I started thinking about the Chimp and Bolton! LOL

[knowbody0]

23. did you get brain freeze?

[jojo54]

6. Hey, we're in this together.

That is the one thing to remember. If we start turning on each other, they win!

[kentuck]

8. Bingo !

That is the one thing to remember.

[mrdmk]

60. There is turning on one another, then there is debate

Which is in short supply these days.

[kentuck]

63. You may be right, mrdmk...

:)

[Ladyhawk]

75. You're definitely right.

I ran into a broad-brush ad hominem attack against DUers that didn't agree with the poster and responded with another personal attack. I'm sure that's helpful.

:eyes:

Today I don't feel much like I even want to belong to the human race. I feel like certain members of the local peace group have rejected me for the same reasons the poster did and I'm pissed off.

[bluestateguy]

9. There is one upside to being invaded by trolls

That it unites us all pretty quick and we tend to put our trifling differences aside to fight off a common enemy.

[pstans]

10. I am mad as hell

and I am not going to take it anymore.

[LittleClarkie]

31. Here you go:

You can borrow my graphic.

[leftofthedial]

12. My life has been ruined by these criminals, their policies

and the laissez faire tone they have set

might makes right

ends justify means

I foolishly persisted in behaving like a civilized person and now all is lost.

I don't care about anything anymore.

Except my hatred.

where shall I direct it?

[Tux]

22. Same here

I'm in GenX. The generation boomers said were slackers. Since I can't get a job, attend grad school (need job), and stuck taking care of my dad (need job), I feel that GenX has been a target since NAFTA. If the number of people that lost their jobs were broken down by generation, I would bet that GenX took it hardest.

Down with Boomers!

[marions ghost]

64. boomer vs. gen X crap

has been fed by divisive propaganda. Don't buy into it. We all have bigger troubles and we need to stick together. As a boomer who has many GenX friends/associates, I know that GenX has taken a hard hit. But boomers are taking some big hits too, losing jobs, lowering retirement expectations, aging without good medical plans, watching their kids struggle...I could tell you a LOT of stories. You are young to be taking care of your Dad...well boomers know a whole lot about elder care too, often at the same time as child care. We have more in common with you than you might realize. Everyone with any sense is stressed and disturbed at what is happening now. It's not any generations's 'fault'--we ALL deserved better.

Up with boomers, Up with GenX and Up with all the generations sharing this short timespan in Bushworld! It's a scary place all right.

[Tux]

68. Yeah

But a militant attitude does hit me at times. Hell, I was recently treated as a pariah in my church for not being a boomer. I have some issues with the generational gap. I blame Bush and cat next door.

[marions ghost]

69. your church

treats you as a "pariah"!?! -- shouldn't a church be ONE place where you can feel safe from age divisions? If you can't talk about this with church members it might be best to look for another church or support group. OK I see why you'd have complaints if you feel you've been directly mistreated. Get to the bottom of why this is happening and find a positive solution. There are boomers who care very much about the generations that follow and they could be helpful. This idea that boomers are a smug and selfish population that always had it easy is just junk. The job competition has been fierce for us because of the numbers and in some fields as bad or worse than what you are experiencing. A lot of us are just trying to hang on in these turbulent times too.

[Iris]

79. At least you have kids to watch struggle.

My husband and I will probably not be able to afford to have even one before my eggs expire. Every year, we sign a new installment agreement for the same $12,000 in taxes we cannot pay. We make well above average for the state we live in, but we can never get our heads above water.

[BlueIris]

28. I can't claim I don't care about anything, but my life IS pretty well

totally and permanently fucked up as a result of the Bush Administration. As bad as a Gulf War veteran's? No. As bad as a chronically or seriously ill person? No. As bad as some of the rest of you? Also no. But I can't be what I wanted to be before The Ascention, and I'm so bitter about that I could just...especially in light of the fact that my ex-friends, who chose not to care or get involved in resisting the oppression--are all fantastically successful little twentysomethings living in blissful ignorance and mocking me for having gotten "distracted" with "politics."

[Name removed]

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[SW FL Dem]

40. Where do I begin

Perhaps someone has a condition that could be helped by stem cell research, but they don't have time to wait for a new administration.

What about those seniors who can't afford their medicines but thanks to this administration, they can't order them from Canada.

Not to mention those people who have seen their jobs high paying jobs outsourced and who are forced to work three jobs to save their homes and feed their families.

What about loving gay couples whose only chance at living a normal life was taken away as a political ploy designed to turn out the evangelical Christian voters.

I could go on, but I get the feeling that you really don't want to listen.

[Sapphire Blue]

45. Perhaps you can share w/us your views on what Bush has done for America?

[Name removed]

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[SW FL Dem]

37. Welcome to DU

Enjoy your stay.

[uppityperson]

42. exactly.

may you have a good learning and sharing experience here.

[Sapphire Blue]

46. I'm curious how your life has been affected by this administration

No need to look for 'creative ways' to blame problems on anyone... the facts speak for themselves, don't you think?

[Hubert Flottz]

49. "where shall I direct it?" * To the right of the dial!

Nothing worth having is ever easy, unless you're a $100,000,000.00 Bush donor!

[leftofthedial]

55. exactly

I'm leaning toward the proverbial (not literal!) rifle shot instead of shotgun approach.

[Hubert Flottz]

58. Anyone who isn't pissed yet, is too stupid to matter much...

It's hard to come to grips with the fact that 1/2 of the voters in the US are such crazy fools! That's if you believe the Diebold numbers!

Sometimes it gets me down too. America has gone to the dogs and it's very hard to watch, as we fall into the same horrid, fascist, cesspool that the Pre WWII Germans once fell into. I thought that "Never Again" meant, never again, but I see now that it meant, nothing, to most people. The great dark lesson that so many people around the world, paid so much in blood and money to learn during WWII, has been forgotten by far too many. Humanity's horrible past, is becoming our future once again. To be the "smartest critters on the planet", we humans sure are an ignorant gang...

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. It's hard to come to grips with the fact that 1/2 of the voters

in the US are greedy, self-serving, self absorbed jerks or assholes, whichever you prefer. They can't or won't think of anyone save themselves. Me Me MePublicans. And yeah, I am PISSED and damn sick and tired of being PISSED. :argh:

[Hubert Flottz]

78. I see by the little guy throwing his TV that you liked the S-election

in Ohio yesterday, just about as well as I didn't! It's hard to believe that after all the low down, corrupt, trash the Morans in Ohio have seen, out of Bushco, the fools still went yesterday and elected ANOTHER republican! The Pubby Morans in Ohio didn't see, because their collective heads were, as usual, up their collective a$$e$! How much BUSH*T does it take to make the old gasbag GOPers, see the truth? I heard that the GOP voters in Ohio used different type voting machines, than the voters in the democratic party used yesterday. The GOP style voting machine in Ohio has been reconfigured, so that one can SEE to vote "STRAIGHT" REPUBLICAN, with one's head up one's a$$! * "STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN" is an oxymoran!

Are the RABID GOP voters in Ohio, capable of even thinking at all? Bush looks like a Chimp, but the Repub voters think like one 24/7!

Greedy old Pimps(GOP), the party of Chimpy and Chumpy!



As for Porgie Bush...He's a classic example of your garden verity sh*tA$$.

[Tom Kitten]

13. think of all the wasted energy

that could have been used towards winning some elections

[sniffa]

14. skinner needs to come up with some programs

midnight basketbaLL. maybe a summer jobs program.
make more mods avaiLabLe to counseL against gang invoLvement.

[loudsue]

35. Just blew chardonnay all over my monitor & keyboard...

:rofl: Cute, sniffa! Now come clean this mess up!! :spank:


:kick::kick::kick:

[mrdmk]

61. Kinda early for the hard stuff, I mean the mid-term elections are

over a year away!

[name not needed]

62. Maybe an after school program

that way, Kleeb won't be tempted to rob liqour stores for fun.

[sniffa]

65. *snort*

he's been running with the wrong crowd.

i was going to reproduce this in the Lounge, since i was getting the pop i crave.

[lvx35]

15. YOU'RE ALL BUNCH OF TINFOIL HAT WEARING ...DLC ... SPY'S FOR ROVE!

Ah! there. I got all that out. sorry about that, I had to. Now back to work! hugs all! :)

:pals:

[SoCalDem]

18. I take breaks..and often limit posting

I do read stuff in the forums, but with so many months to go of Prince doofus, and with no real movement on the paper ballot issues, I'll just hang back and not get all hot and bothered just yet:)

We are remodeling, so I have other things to focus on for now:):hi:

[Ksec]

19. Good advice

Take a break from this place and live a little, recharge the batteries and forget about the ass in the WH for a while.

[G_j]

20. I am a coward

I want to say what I truly believe: I should be out there with hundreds or thousands of others getting arresting in the tradition of MLK's nonviolent civil disobedience. We need to be out there in mass in highly disciplined nonviolent direct action. But I am also a 'coward': 53 years old with no money, no lawyer etc.
Still there is no doubt in my mind that as a whole we are soft and spoiled, or else many of us would take the examples of Gandhi and MLK to heart.

[KG]

24. i gots plenty of microwave popcorn!!!

:popcorn:

[NAO]

38. Maybe you can test that new non-lethal microwave weapon of the Army.

Point it at a cornfield in Nebraska and have the world's largest popcorn-pop!

Where do they get people to volunteer for testing of this stuff?

[frazzledmom]

70. A wild guess but... Guantanamo? n/t

[sexybomber]

81. Hah!

That'd be awesome! A popcorn popper visible from space!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

25. It's because our powerlessness is more and more manifest. And now,

we've recently been "teased" by the possibility of action against the Bush administration from the Fitzgerald probe, but that is yet but a distant hope, and we have no control over it.

Meanwhile, every new thing is a new "FU" to us and to America. Don't want Roberts? We'll get him in with the help of your own party. Don't like Bolton? FU, we'll "recess" appoint him, and you don't have squat to say about it. Court order to release torture/rape photos? We'll defy it, and the apathetic American public (and media) will demand nothing. Etc. etc.

[deadparrot]

26. I've been noticing more friction than usual, as well...

What with Rove, the SCOTUS nominee, Bolton. Ideologies duking it out.

Frustration, I guess.

[BlueIris]

27. Glad someone finally posted it. Tensions on this board are high.

Not that I'm opposed. Exactly. Healthy multi-faceted debate, emotional sharing session and arguments are essential to the depth and character of any good online community. But I confess, the hostility among all of the factions around here--not going to list any labels, we all know who we are, I think--is getting to be a bit much for me. Especially because I kind of snapped this weekend.

[hatrack]

29. You nailed it, Kentuck

I just told my wife that I would really like to hit somebody.

CAFTA (hmm, we're not losing jobs fast enough yet!!!, billions in free money for oil companies :wtf: , hundreds of billions in money we don't have for a highway bill dripping with political lard and then the arrogance of Chimpy McCokespoon prancing his way to a recess appointment of the Satanic Captain Kangaroo.

And then to be subjected to the made-for-TV spectacle of reports of how Nancy Pelosi was "very disappointed" and "furious" with Dems who broke ranks on CAFTA, and stern tut-tuttings from various and sundry Dems on the Bolton appointment, and pre-chewed photo-op bullshit of Chimpy "comforting" Boy Scouts (guess they just love to stand in the sun until they pass out, and I'm speaking as an ex-Scout) was just a bit too much.

I go around pissed off all the time - ALL THE TIME. I couldn't even stand to listen to the news tonight. The first story was Bolton snorking out the sanctimony with how honored and humbled he was to be Bush's pick for the UN. That was it. Off with the radio, on with the music and off to the kitchen to do dishes.

Dog days, incipient depression or just the ongoing daily reminders that the operative word at the heart of "decadence" is "decay" - whatever it is, it does not improve my disposition.

[welshTerrier2]

30. hot debate and frustration: a necessary path or counter-productive?

the heated feelings are very, very real ...

either we air our differences and then try to find common ground or we try to pressure everyone to "just go along" ...

my take is that the heated arguments, with an ultimate goal of unity, are critically needed ... those pushing for everyone to "make nice" are out to lunch ... they are burying their heads in the sand ...

[bloom]

32. well the DLC isn't helping

that's for damn sure.

They make it difficult for us to be against a common enemy when they side with the enemy and people here tell us to go along.

[loudsue]

36. I swear: If I see ONE MORE DLC supporter on this forum I'm going to

go batshit. postal.

What about "republicans have infiltrated the Dem party" don't they understand???

Yep. I'd say tensions are high.


....wish I was :smoke: .

:kick::kick::kick:

[jonnyblitz]

52. I don't look at them any differently then I do Republicans

they are accomplices to this mess we are in...

[mrdmk]

66. I had a DLC supporter tell me, "Trust Me"

Well the retort ended my argument (Actually I left to do some laundry in case I needed to leave the country on short notice).

[wiggs]

39. Agree. But it is healthy to be upset during these times.

Most at DU are angry, thankfully, but we all aim our anger at slightly different targets. Most of the conflicts are just that....where to place blame.

Normal...and interesting too, to see the various viewpoints.

Reading posts with which I agree is satisfying and it's nice to add to or modify a point made. Reading posts with which I disagree helps me think about my own position and whether or not it needs to be modified.

[Hello_Kitty]

41. The election is several months past now

And most of us have resigned ourselves to the results, whether we think it was stolen or not. Since we no longer have that common overriding goal to work toward, the little differences are starting to come to prominence.

As the 06 elections draw near, I think we'll start seeing the cohesiveness again.

[Swamp Rat]

43. Like boiled toads

:D

[kansasblue]

44. !

[Horse with no Name]

50. The venom that some attack with here

is getting out of control.
I know I am limiting what I put out here from now on because of an attack I received.
I left a message board because of the rabid right wingers...would hate to leave one because of rabid left wingers.
But it seems like we are going in the wrong direction.
We don't have party unity and we sure as hell don't have unity here.

[zanne]

72. People shouldn't start flame wars.

Sometimes, people will post something that they know is going to start a flamewar, then act all outraged when it actually happens.

[Goldeneye]

51. I put together a post about DU jumping the shark

with links to all these Dem eating Dem threads, but decided not to post. I don't know what's up lately, but it feels like we've lost our focus.

[DemonFighterLives]

54. Sorry to miss out on the fighting

:grouphug:
The great (not) b*sh economy has made it necessary to work long, hard hours just to scrape by. I also have this dog days of summer hopelessness from being helpless to fix the nations problems.

A good rant would probably help. DLC :eyes: Bolton :nuke:
Comeon Fitz, let's hand them their pink slips. Wilson?- let's take it to them. We really are in need of a hero and I hope the UN can help put the reformers in their place.
:argh:

[crispini]

57. I continually fail to see

why people get so worked up about stuff on a message board. It's *not* real life, fercrissakes.... :shrug:

[ngGale]

71. Look at it this way ...

after reading this whole thread, we still talk. We've been through a lot together, the election burned most of us out. Yes, every day more stupid bills are passed which do us no favors. All said, we do live in reality as opposed to those who feed on the MSM reports.
We come and air our true feelings or just thoughts of the moment.
I can't go to sleep without a dose of DU before bed. I skip the flame wars, knowing they too will pass. Remember what Galloway said about the DU, we are the hope of this country. So, at the moment we may have scattered thoughts, angry thoughts, a feeling of being helpless or hopeless - but only because we are in transition. We are all trying to find answers and deal with everything going on.

It is my belief that we will come together again and be a driving force for change in '08. I'm in a state without an '06 battle.
There is a lot of brain-storming that goes on here. Even if we disagree at times, the only way to work it out is talk freely. We help each other cope, we comfort, we seek out truth and we do it all together. In the end, this is our freedom of speech - and with our ideas and brain-storming, I'm sure when the right time comes we will again speak with one voice. And that voice will speak truth to power.

But, it's our transition of thought and differing opinions that will keep us bonded. That's what makes the DU special.

:grouphug:

[sweetheart]

73. DU is like a good vegetable soup

Its the kind of vegetable soup where you don't even need a soup stock,
where you start off with leeks, onions, rosemary, thyme, turnip,
parsnip, potato and a bay leaf. And in to the soup go so many different
fresh vegetables, all of which smell rich and complex in their original
scent.

And the taste of the soup is so incredibly complex, that shakespeare
is any of his characters in any of his plays, rich and the
myriad like
e
e
cummings
might
... say

one day.

:-) Life is perfect

So is DU.

[Dr Fate]

74. We want to see DEMS with media access saying what we say.

We see great arguments and counterpoints for our side on DU everyday- and we see DEMs with media access run away from us and treat us like lepers- no matter how many times we have been right.

That is the most frustrating thing about being a DUer- we kick ass on the boards, but the DEMs with media access hardly ever back us up or use our ideas or research.

[sweetheart]

77. we should incorporate what you say

If "(dems) hardly ever back us up or use our ideas or research.", maybe
we should adopt their silly positions and expose how rotten the
wood is beneath their feet. Maybe they'd shift the footing to
more ingelligent ground.

[Libby2]

80. I agree

but I'm seeing it everywhere.
Not just on DU.

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