The 'Creation Science Assn.' Explains those pesky neanderthals, fossils...

[elehhhhna]

and dinosaurs. I found this site while surfing. I always wondered how they explained fossils. etc. Oy.

If this is what homeschoolers are beng taught, we're in trouble.


"Neanderthal Explained ...
What Happens to the Craniofacial Structure of Humans Who Live Past 100 Years? Neanderthal Similarities.
by John W. Cuozzo
An ICC review by Tom Willis

At virtually the same time Darwin published The Origin of Species, supposedly demonstrating the truth of evolution, Neanderthal Man was discovered, and immediately hailed as proof of Darwin's theory. Neanderthal was obviously human to anyone who can see. He made and used tools, ceremonially buried his dead, etc. Yet he had larger brow ridges and skull shape and thickness that enabled some to claim he was "more apelike." John Cuozzo is an Orthodontist who visited natural history museums carrying one of the few high quality portable X-ray machines in the world. He obtained permission to X-ray their oldest known humans, specifically including Neanderthal.

Among other things Cuozzo was interested in the effect of age on skeletal structure. In the process of studying old present day humans and Neanderthal, based on the data he had obtained, he developed a computer model which graphically displays (or prints) changes in skeletal structure with age. As we age, among other changes, skull thickens and changes shape, and eyebrow ridges begin protruding. The model clearly showed that a normal "modern" human would look like Neanderthal when he got to about 400 years old! The Bible clearly teaches that early man lived many hundreds of years. Neanderthal was not "apelike," he was simply old!

http://www.csama.org/CSA-NLTR.HTM

(repost from April-- too funny to forget!)

[ET Awful]

1. Hmmm, so neanderthal infants were born old then?

Is that what they're saying?

:evilgrin:

[InternalDialogue]

2. Shhh! The creation scientists

are still working on that explanation. Please do not disturb them!

[ET Awful]

3. I prefer to call them Scientarians.

Scientists they ain't, and Scientologist is already taken :).

[ironman202]

5. those are cute kitties!

[ET Awful]

6. Why thank you :)

The buff colored guy is Quinn and the dainty little girl is Althea :)

[ironman202]

4. Oh-my-god...

I going to bash my head against a wall for and hour and see if that makes any mre sense to me. If it does, I'm off for a few hours of trampolining while spooning tapioca into my underpants.

[HockeyMom]

7. Neanderthals lived HUNDREDS of years?

ROFL They must have been SUPER HUMANS then, fighting off all those wild animals, wounds, diseases, death in childbirth, etc., etc., and make it to live HUNDREDS of years.

Most of them probably didn't even live much past their 20s, I would assume.

[ET Awful]

8. I mean . . . using this logic, wouldn't folks like Noah have been

Neanderthals? Abraham and Isaac? They all lived into their hundreds.

What about Methuselah? He was allegedly over 900 years old wasn't he? His brow must have been thick as a Fort Knox vault by then :)

[craychek]

11. Also

This scientist apparently doesn't account for the fact that you loose calcium and bone mass as you age. You don't GAIN it.

[craychek]

9. that's exactly the problem

These creationists ASSUME that they are right even before they start their "research." So, consciously or unconsciously they mold their findings to fit creationism. Also despite these findings, creationists still can't make a solid arguement against the fact that these "neadrethals" are older than the actual age of the earth according to the bible.

This is WHY you can not take certain parts of the bible literally.

[BlueState]

10. John Cuozzo is an Orthodontist !!!!

Nothing against orthodonitists but does that really qualify him to develop this computer model.

[YDogg]

12. Heh. Good one ...

... tell me another joke.

[SnowGoose]

13. Quick way to prove him wrong:

Have you noticed that when human bones are found buried in some field, the forensic specialists are able to determine gender and approximate age just by examining the bones?

There are numerous structures in the bones that change very predictably with age (like the sternum - the bone that joins your ribs in the front). It doesn't fully calcify until well into adulthood. There are other structures in long bones (growth plates) that undergo very predictable changes with age as well.

All you'd have to do to show this guy's model is flawed, is look for a Neanderthal skeleton that was from a young adult (which you could determine from the structures described above) or even a child, and then show that it has the brow ridges, etc., that are supposed to occur with hundreds of years of age. Aren't there any child Neanderthals?

This is aside from the genetic markers, that clearly show humans and Neanderthals are different. Usually creationists don't like genetics much, though, what with all the A's and T's and G's and C's and DNA and what-have-you. Too complicated - God made people from mud, dammit! What do genes have to do with it?

[Dave Reynolds]

34. Fundies do not like science much,

it is a tool of Satan to test their faith.

[zbdent]

14. Well, Geico didn't realize that Cavemen still were around

(and ordering the mango chicken).

Of course, all they had to do was take a look at Scalia in a pic of the SCOTUS . . .

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

15. Ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny...carried out to an extreme position.

It's nice to see that the christofascist dumbasses are warming over a 19th century hypothesis of ontogeny as a window into the evolution of species (e.g., chick development as a progression of evolutionary stages). It's even better that they have some orthodonist trapsing around the world x-raying fossils to support this COMPLETELY DISCOUNTED AND ANTIQUE THEORY.

At some point, I hope many will realize that there needs to be a shit-kicking cage match between those of reason and the Neanderthals on the religious right. I'm about 250lbs of heavy build muscle with a Ph.D. degree in neuroscience and would be happy to volunteer my services in the "name of science."

JB

[pnorman]

16. I saved that website for later study.

Can you please tell me which of the articles contained the above excerpt? I don't have a strong enough stomach to read them all --- at least not at one sitting.

pnorman

[mtnester]

17. I had a fundie neighbor in Ft. Walton Beach tell me

"If God wanted us to know more about what fossils really are, he would have told us about them in the Bible, so he must see no reason for us to understand what he was doing then. They are unimportant when it comes to us."

This from the weirdest fundie I ever met...practiced extending orgasm techniques (and would share advice with just about anyone), did not eat any red meat, practiced and believed in holistic and alternative healing and nutrition, ate like I do with whole grains, bee pollen, natural sweeteners (stevia, honey) etc. Then preached this stuff, and to tell you the truth, other than when she was spouting off her weirdisms like above, I genuinely liked her....I am certain she was a Dem too. She was fun to hang out with, my age and great to talk to when I was 23 and living 1,000 miles away from home with a military hubby who was gone all the time.

I never could get a grip on just who she was as a person...I guess it is sometimes easier to pigeonhole people than figure out those that walk a path different from anything you are accustomed to.

Hello Renee if you ever see this.

[RobertSeattle]

18. There's no arguing with these people

Thank "Gawd" the Bible didn't outlaw negative numbers or say PI is equal to 3 (there is something about that though) or things like that.

[ellenfl]

19. i'm going to check out the rest of that site when i get home tonight.

looks interesting.

:kick:

ellen fl

[mmonk]

20. This is America in the 21st century?

Sad. We have no chance.

[tk2kewl]

21. How do they explain that the bones date to before the Creation?

These dudes existed before God.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

22. Old with a life expectancy of 35?

Pull the other leg, for it hath bells on it.

:rofl:

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Only One Word Comes To Mind: Duh!

The Professor

[jokerman93]

24. I can't fathom how

This is childish tripe! Worse than magical thinking.

I can't fathom how people with advanced degrees like this spinning wingnut can openly demonstrate the hallucinogenic logic of an abused five year old. Have they no self-respect? Is fundie-think the result of some kind of mental deterioration? Is it a disease? Or is it a horribly cynical play for political power? Why does the fundie agenda suck so many in?

What's the psychological hook? This baffles me time and again.

[MadHound]

25. How is an orthodontist, a person who is only qualification is to

Work on teeth and oral surgery, an expert in archeaology, anthropology, biology and forensic human anatomy? Braces, sure, no problem, that pesky over-bite, he can fix you right up. But investigating Neaderthal skeletorns? No way.

[TankLV]

27. Hey - he just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!

It's amazing what a good night's sleep can do!

Don't you see those commercials?!

[MadHound]

29. LOL friend!

:rofl: And if questioned in person, that is just exactly what the dumbass would probably say.

[Javaman]

26. Then he should explain the skulls in the crypts below the vatican...

Some are over 1500 years old and display nothing of the Neaderthal qualities this quack makes to claim that they should have.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

28. The Un-science crowd strikes again

Funny:rofl: and frustrating:banghead: all rolled into one.

[WeRQ4U]

30. I just spent quite some time reading those articles..........

And while I laughed a couple times, I did so fairly cautiously. These people are batshit crazy. They made me a little uneasy. I thought Scientology was bullshit. These articles show another LEVEL of insanity, entirely.

The articles are written so in such a wordy manner as if they were INTENDED to confuse, and not explain. It's just fancy numbers and big words, but no substance. Seriously, read the articles on the fossil record. Your head will explode. Essentially, science NEVER works. It's an absolute. These people want 100% accuracy and infallibility in EVERY scientific experiment. If there are incongruent results shown between two studies, even if they do not conflict with the other's hypothesis, the experiment is a failure and the theory is of no use. That's how they easily discount anything contrary to the biblical teachings.

I still cannot believe that the dismiss evolution as an impossibility due to man's stunning intricacy, but insist on something even more implausible, that a infallible superhuman predesigned, made and fated every single thing on earth.... in 7 fucking days. And they believe it simply becasue they read it in a book. Sooooooo odd.

[elehhhhna]

31. To decompress, go here:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

featuring:

"The Pope's Message From Hell

Brother Hardwick surmises what the Pope might say to his followers now that he finds his withered body toasting in Hell... "

[WeRQ4U]

32. Now that is funny stuff.

I love the emergency memos being sent out about Harry Potter. And how if they see someone with the new book, they should snatch it away, give it to another Christian, and set flame to it. Too funny. Thanks for that.

[sakabatou]

33. Yes but unfortunately

Neanderthals are not related to Homo Sapiens, therefore, that logic is off.