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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:29 PM
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Is Clark the only Democratic General?
Are there any retired Generals besides Clark that are publicly declared Democrats? Are there any other high-ranking retired officers that are publicly declared Democrats?

I'm assuming active duty officers don't declare their party affiliation, if any, but I don't know for sure.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:33 PM
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1. Absolutely NOT bashing Clark, but you DO realize that generals must
be non-partisan, don't you? Therefore, I'd guess that most of them would be like Clark...non-partisan.

Before I get flamed for this...I seriously meanwhat I say. Until recently, Clark was non-partisan. That's o.k. He sounds to me like he's got the views of a Democrat...at least what I've heard so far. I've truly got nothing against him.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:38 PM
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2. How is that a bash?
Edited on Sun Sep-28-03 06:31 PM by BillyBunter
It's a statement of truth.

The officer corps of the military draws heavily from the white, middle-class South, and the higher ranks are in the mid-upper range of the middle class. Stark reality changes them somewhat; for example, the Army was the first institution in the U.S. to integrate, because they needed quality manpower, and the military has an outstanding record of dealing with racial minorities, in my opinion, the best in the country. You can figure out what the average general's politics are like from that.
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:40 PM
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3. Dem/Rep generals are a BAD idea
I agree with you. Any partisan Dem or Rep who is a General should be kicked out of the military. They shouldn't be allowed to be partisan till they're retired like Clark is. Can you imagine if the Rep/Dem parties started playing partisan politics in the military? One way ticket to military coup. Generals should, rightly, be forced to serve regardless of whatever party holds the whitehouse. It's fine if the generals have their own political views, or even declared affiliations, but they should not be partisan or active in their party till they're retired.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:42 PM
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4. They are not partisan
UCMJ... simple as that
but rummy is hard at work tryiing to change that.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:57 PM
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5. Admirals Stansfield Turner, Carrol, and Zumwalt Are Dems...
Must have more liberals in the Navy....

Maybe because they are more cerebral....
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:01 PM
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7. do you know historically?
You told me one time that Patton was a reactionary, I know about Ike duh, Bradley? you know about him, Marshall I think he was a dem, I really admire him. I was told McArthur was a dem or at least had liberal politics, I wouldnt believe that but my source was pretty trustworthly.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:07 PM
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21. Eugene Carroll was a Republican..a moderate Republican
but still a Republican. He was part of the ad REPUBLICANS AGAINST THE WAR that was taken out in the Wall Street Journal shortly before he died.

He was instrumental in taking the Military Industrial Complex to task via the Center for Defense Information and the television program America's Defense Monitor.

He was simply an honorable man regardless of his party affiliation.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:08 PM
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22. never heard of him
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:17 PM
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25. Here's a little somthing about him from CDI
STAFF
Vice President Emeritus: RADM (Ret.) Eugene Carroll, Jr, USN





RADM Eugene J. Carroll, Jr. was commissioned as an Ensign in April 1945. His early service as a Naval Aviator included ten months flying AD Skyraiders from aircraft carriers in the Pacific during UN operations in Korea. Following a series of assignments in the Atlantic Fleet, he commanded two light jet attack squadrons of A-4 Skyhawk aircraft. Transferred to the Pacific Fleet in 1965, he served a total of six years with units engaged in the Vietnam campaign. His assignments there included command of the amphibious assault ship, USS OGDEN (LPD-5) and the aircraft carrier, USS MIDWAY (CVA-41).
Promoted to the rank of Rear Admiral in 1972, he served as Commander of Task Force 60, the carrier striking force of the U.S. Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean.

Admiral Carroll served on General Alexander Haig's staff in Europe from 1977 to 1979. He was the first naval officer to serve as Director of U.S. military operations for all U.S. forces in Europe and in the Middle East. His last assignment on active duty was in the Pentagon as Assistant Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Plans, Policy and Operations. In this capacity he was engaged in U.S. naval planning for conventional and nuclear war.

Rear Admiral Carroll holds B.A. and M.A. degrees in International Relations from George Washington University. He graduated from both the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Army War Colleges. He now serves as Vice President Emeritus of the non-governmental, nonprofit, nonpartisan Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. He actively conducts research and analysis concerning major defense issues and writes and speaks on the need for rational military programs which will meet the long-term national security interests of the United States.
http://www.cdi.org/aboutcdi/admc.html

And a few of his writings:
Article first appeared in The Christian Science Monitor, Feb. 18, 2003

http://www.cdi.org/iraq/eye-on-iraq.cfm
Another war, another round of land mines?

By Eugene Carroll and Rachel Stohl

WASHINGTON – While UN inspectors are searching for dangerous weapons hidden in Iraq by Saddam Hussein, they must also be wary of American weapons already lurking there.
These are not the nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons that President Bush charges Iraq is concealing, but they're equally indis- criminate and dangerous. Antipersonnel land mines emplaced by the US during the Gulf War in 1991, as well as those from the Iran-Iraq war, now continue to kill or maim up to 30 Iraqis each month.


Rear adm Carroll on missile defense:

By Admiral Eugene Carroll, Jr.



To an extent seldom seen since Cold War days, the continuing angry debate over the need for a National Missile Defense (NMD) system has polarized public opinion. Pros and cons are put forward in increasingly strident confrontations which lead not to understanding or accommodation but to divisive, emotional rejection of opposing views. What is there about NMD that produces heat - not light - when the issue arises?



The answer to that question lies in the political schism between the true believers in NMD and those who counsel other measures to reduce nuclear dangers. The believers argue emotionally that American citizens deserve a defense against missile attack and reject out of hand attempts to raise rational objections to NMD. The opponents are denigrated and their patriotism impugned if they dare to question the need for or feasibility of NMD.



This failure to discuss NMD in civil, factual terms is unfortunate because the decision to deploy a National Missile Defense system raises fundamental issues of America's role in the world. It involves our relationships not only with our adversaries but with our closest allies as well. It is not surprising that Russia and China are loud critics of NMD but Germany, France, Great Britain and other western nations are also questioning the wisdom of proceeding with a program which threatens to ignite a new nuclear arms race. It may be possible to shrug off understandable criticism from potential enemies, but we must give thoughtful consideration and great weight to the same criticism from our friends. The need for public debate leading to a constructive decision has never been greater.



For example, a final decision to deploy NMD must await careful evaluation of four criteria: 1) There must be a real threat; 2) We must have the technological means to address that threat effectively; 3) Our response must be affordable; and 4) NMD deployment must not do unacceptable damage to the stability of current and future international security arrangements. There are serious questions concerning each of these criteria .

http://www.pepeace.org/current_reprints/03/Care.htm




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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:00 PM
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6. Gen. Claudia Kennedy endorsed Kerry.
She was the only female General. And one helluva feminist!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:01 PM
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8. I Saw Her On TV....
She seems like a good person....
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:03 PM
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9. is she the first ever?
In this country? What does she command? We had a retired female officer I think run against John Warner she didnt do too well though, granted she wasnt a serious candiate and Warner though a hawk isnt a chickenhawk, he is more respectable than the coach's son George Allen. On women in the military, those godless "communists" seemed to have them in their armies before we did. Just an observation.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:24 PM
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12. Women and religion
That is because religion has always been one of the biggest things suppressing around the world. Sadly, it still is. Take a look at the three major religions in America. Is it coincidental that their God is always a male? Aren't all the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim prophets also male? Aren't they all Caucasian too? All this is not a coincidence IMO. Religion is sexist and racist, and of course, homophobic.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:29 PM
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14. I didnt bring up religion
Yeah I see what you mean kinda because many Communists were Athiest.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:49 PM
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15. I couldn't resist taking a stab at religion
:evilgrin:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:54 PM
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16. well I happen to be Catholic lol
Dont worry about it, just dont call me an altar boy, pope worshipper, and blame religion on all evils.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:56 PM
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18. Ok
:)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:04 PM
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20. its ok
If you listened to me on religion I may be considered agonstic lol same goes on politics I am afraid you would consider me socialist or green, yet I am a dem. Arent I silly lol?
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:10 PM
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23. I'm an agnostic too
Socialists and greens have to be Democrats. Election 2000 proved that. The Democratic party is the only way to advance socialist goals. It is better to get a half loaf of bread than to get nothing. The Democrats gradually will accomplish some key socialist goals, such as national health care.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:56 PM
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17. Not coincidence, but not a general statement on religion.
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all sprouted from the same area, and the same group of religions.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:02 PM
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19. She was...but there
Edited on Sun Sep-28-03 07:03 PM by blm
must be more now since she retired.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:06 PM
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10. There are a few.
Army Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy, who supports Kerry, considered a run for Va. Senate last year.

I'm not sure what Gen. Barry McCaffrey's affiliation is, or if he is publically a member of a party, but he was Clinton's drug czar.

Most general officers keep their partisan preferences low-key, even if they have them. That goes for both democrats as well as republicans.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:09 PM
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11. Barry McCaffery Also Said Wes Clark Was A Star
and that the whisper campaign against him among military members was predictable....

He said Wes was too wired, urbane, etcetera to be in line with the good old boys in the military....*

I'm paraphrasing....

I'm sure McCaffery is going to get bashed now too....

Sad.....
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PNAC_butter_jelly Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:28 PM
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13. Military people are supposed to be non-partisan, since they
serve the whole country, noty just a particular president or administration..

In fact, I think they can get into big trouble if they campaign for or participate in protests or rallies...

Once they retire, they are free to resume their political lives.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:15 PM
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24. Don't know if Smedley Butler was a declared Dem,
but he was Dem all the way otherwise.

'Course, he's been dead a long time.
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