Is any other country pro-Israel?

[_Jumper_]

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[muriel_volestrangler]

1. India is becoming fairly pro-Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3092726.stm

The Axis of Sharon - USA-India-Israel?

[_Jumper_]

4. What about the Indian people?

Who do they sympathize with in the I/P conflict?

[screaming_meme]

8. Because they're at war with Muslim militiants, too

Plus the defense and technology capabilities Israel exports. They specialize in modernizing the avionics of old Soviet fighters. India used to be a major arms client of the USSR.

[_Jumper_]

18. That isn't it IMO

This is to contain Pakistan IMO. Israel realizes that if fundies take over Pakistan they are in trouble. India accepts the aid because Israel has more advanced weapons.

[sushi]

45. It's politics

They have one thing in common. They're fighting the same enemy. Muslims.

[Darranar]

2. Marshal Islands.

n/t

[_Jumper_]

5. Aren't you the guy who implied that Arabs smell?

In the foreign affairs forum?

[Darranar]

9. ME?

No, that wasn't me. That was Herschel.

I'm quite pro-Palestinian, actually.

[_Jumper_]

13. Ok

I'm neutral on the issue. I believe we should start negotiations now but not finalize an agreement until the terrorism stops. A Palestinian state, with no military, should be created IMO.

[Darranar]

17. Why demilitarized?

n/t

[_Jumper_]

19. demilitarized for a generation at least

Palestinian children have been taught that killing Jews is heroic, that Jews are evil, through the media, school system, and culture. That hatred will not evaporate if they get a state. There needs to be timeout where that hatred is allowed to fade away.

[Darranar]

24. They have?

That claim, IMO, has been debunked many times. The environmental factors that contribute to hatred of Israel has a lot more to do with brutality and oppression by the Israelis then with teaching. It's the same way in isarel. Irrational hatred of the Palestinians is based not on teaching, but on the fear of the suicide bombings and devestating strikes against innocent people.

Ending the occupation, dismantling the settlements, and giving a state to the palestinains will evaporate quite a bit of their hatred - which will in turn stop terrorism, which will end Israeli fear and hatred and stop them from occupying the area ever again. Of course, that works alternatively with a halt to Palestinain terrorism. It isn't a one-sided conflict.

[_Jumper_]

26. I'll go to the I/P forum and read more on the issue

You know more than I do about this so I defer to your theory.

[Loyal]

15. In my opinion,

being pro-Palestinian isn't any better than being pro-Israel. An objective view is necessary for such a complex conflict, and you cannot provide it.

[Darranar]

20. Go down to I/P...

and see my posts.

The thing is that I'm both - pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian, that is. The atrocities committed by both sides must be seen as that - atrocities. It must be realized that extremist and indiscriminate tactics by both sides not only are immoral, but also accomplish nothing whatseover for their respective causes.

I support an objective position on this conflict. Like you, I think it is neccesary for resolution.

[_Jumper_]

21. Will do

I don't visit that forum regularly but I'll take a look today.

[Loyal]

28. I have

And it seems that you never condemn suicide bombings, but that you silently justify them because of the atrocities that Israel commits. So I am not convinced of your objectivity.

[Darranar]

30. Then you haven't read them enough...

I have condemned suicide bombings befoe, and I will do so again, right now:

Suicide bombings are immoral and despicable acts of terrorism against israeli civilians. They MUST stop in order for there to be true peace.

And there's no ifs, ands, or buts to that.

Happy?

[Loyal]

38. Yes, and for the record,

I condemn Israeli incursions that go farther and farther into sovereign land.

Happy? :P

[Darranar]

39. Yah, I'm happy.

:)

[sushi]

46. I've walked past

many Arabs in the Middle East, and smell incense (a lot of women), and talcum powder or perfume (a lot of men!).

[Cocoa]

3. Turkey?

[screaming_meme]

6. Apartheid South Africa was a close ally of Israel

They had a lot of defense/nuclear links. France used to be an ally of Israel's a long, long time ago. I think the USSR was in the very beginning; Zionism had a very collectivist or socialist philosophies.

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. Many countries are pro-Israel, only US funds sharon's war crimes

Over a fifth of the households in Israel don't have enough food.

Sharon takes all the tax money the bush regime gives him and spends it to kil Palestinians.

While many countries like the Israeli people, only the US supports crimes against humanity, including torture, human shields and the starvation of both Israeli and Palestinian children.

[_Jumper_]

10. Which ones?

What I meant was does any other country favor the Israelis over the Palestinians?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Why Is It A Either/Or Proposition?

NT

[_Jumper_]

23. Few nations are 50-50 on anything

There has to be an iota of preference for one side in a large group.

[DuctapeFatwa]

22. Only the US values Israeli lives over Palestinian lives

Most earth residents think Palestinian lives are just as valuable.

This makes the sharon and bush regimes very angry. They consider such people to be terrorists.

[revcarol]

11. Germany used to be.

Out of guilt.

But they don't want to sanction Sharon's continuous war crimes any more.

[Julien Sorel]

12. Of the real countries in the world, we're it.

Australia will sometimes vote with them in the U.N., as will Canada.

In a way though, it depends on how you define 'pro-Israel.' Lots of countries have trade with Israel, and most countries are not innately hostile to Israel (contrary to what some of Israel's apologists claim); however some of Israel's policies and behaviors make it a difficult country to 'support.'

[_Jumper_]

16. I'll define it

I define pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian as favoring one side over the other.

Australia? Why?

Doesn't Canada now try a balancing act since it has twice as many Muslims as Jews, but Jews have more money?

[Julien Sorel]

25. Even the terms 'pro-Israel' and 'pro-Palestinain'

are probably insufficient, although I have a better idea what you mean now.

If you mean how many countries in the world take Israel's side in what is called the 'Israel-Palestinian dispute,' then we really are the only one.

As to why Australia does, I've never really looked at it much. I suspect it has to do with their alliance with the U.S., and the same is true with Canada. The reason Marshall Islands supports Israel is basically because we tell them to, for example; it would suprise me little if Australia sometimes went along with the U.S. as part of some kind of quid pro quo arrangement. I'm unfortunately not well-versed in Australian politics.

[_Jumper_]

27. Marshall Islands?

Is it true that it is pro-Israel? I thought Darraner was just being facetious when he said that.

1% of Canadians are Jewish. Prior to the past 15-20 years there were virtually no Muslims there. That explains their pro-Israel stance in the past. Now Muslims make up 2% of the population but Jews have more money and affluence so the government in recent years has tried an even-handed approach.

[Darranar]

29. Yah, they do...

they joined our great country in voting against the resolution to stop Israel from killing Arafat. As mentioned above, basically because the US told them to.

[_Jumper_]

32. LOL

Who else voted against that resolution?

[Darranar]

34. Marituania, (sp?) I think...

and no one else.

[_Jumper_]

36. Thanks

BTW, it is spelled Mauritania. That is interesting since it is a 100% Muslim country.

[Darranar]

37. Well, as it turns out...

I was completely wrong. It wasn't Mauritania, it was Micronesia. Sorry for the error.

In case you're interested, here's the voting on the Arafat resolution:

In favour: Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Chad, Chile, China, Congo, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Ecuador, Egypt, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, France, Gambia, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Monaco, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Romania, Russian Federation, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia and Montenegro, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Thailand, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen.



Against: Federated States of Micronesia, Israel, Marshall Islands, United States.



Abstain: Australia, Cameroon, Canada, Colombia, Fiji, Guatemala, Honduras, Kenya, Nauru, Nicaragua, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Tonga, Tuvalu.



Absent: Afghanistan, Bahamas, Bhutan, Burundi, Central African Republic, Comoros, Costa Rica, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Gabon, Georgia, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau, Iraq, Kiribati, Kyrgyzstan, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Mongolia, Niger, Palau, Republic of Moldova, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Tajikistan, Timor-Leste, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

[_Jumper_]

43. Thanks!

.

[Muddleoftheroad]

40. Did you really say that?

Nice stereotype.

[_Jumper_]

42. That is a fact

Most Canadian Muslims are 1st or 2nd generation immigrants with little political power and aren't very wealthy. Canadian Jews are wealthier.

[sushi]

48. As far as I know

Australia is even-handed.

[Darranar]

50. They abstained on the Arafat resolution...

I'm not sure I'd call that evenhanded.

[AmeriCanadian]

31. Canada is

... Been supporting them as long as the US has

[_Jumper_]

35. Is that still the case?

I've read that due to the rise in the Muslim population they have tried to be even-handed in recent years.

[arcos]

33. El Salvador and Costa Rica both have their embassies in Jerusalem...

to the dismay of arab countries.

[Muddleoftheroad]

41. Since that is the capital

That's where the embassies belong.

[_Jumper_]

44. It is a disputed capital

Would you support China moving its capital to Tibet?

[arcos]

47. that's not what we are discussing...

most other countries have it in Tel Aviv. It is certainly an indicator that both countries support Israel.

[GabysPoppy]

49. I am locking this thread

The majority of posts in this thread are I/P content. I do not want to just move it to that forum because it will be locked per I/P rules.

You may repost by linking it to a current news article and/or a current editorial in the I/P forum and continue the discussion.


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