Memo to the candidate flame warriors

[WilliamPitt]

I've been all over the country in the last couple of months:

Boston (duh, buncha different places)
Nantucket
Delaware
Philly
New Hampshire (x2, red state)
Phoenix (red state)
Denver (red state)
Boulder (red state)
San Diego
San Francisco
Montana (red state)
Seattle
New York
Austin (red state)
Houston (red state)
Greensboro (red state)
Chapel Hill (red state)
Boone (red state)
Asheville (red state)

and have met hundreds and hundreds of Dean and Kerry and Kucinich fans...and more recently, a lot of Clark fans.

Campaign supporters in the flesh always are supportive of the other candidates. It is way way way rare to meet someone who will beat the shit out of another candidate. The biggest cheers I get by far in my presentations before hundred of people come when I am asked who I support and I reply, "All of them." I mean they raise the roof when I say that.

So...do we have here on this forum:

a) A bunch of dickheads?

b) People who are brave in their anonymity?

c) People working out serious emotional issues?

d) Agitprop and purposeful attempts to divide the Left here on DU?

You tell me.

All I know is that people I meet in the flesh DO NOT behave at all like the crazed shit-slinging monkey fuckheadedness that happens here.

Figure that one out and you've got a psychology dissertation.

P.S. I actually kind of hate all of the candidates now. Not because of the candidates. Because of you. Can I get an amen?

[IranianDemocrat]

1. Amen - D.

The majority of candidate bashers are extreme leftists IMHO.

[thebigidea]

5. they worship Michael Moore! Ralph Nader is their god!

We're turning off the swing voters!

[IranianDemocrat]

7. I actually like Michael Moore...

but St. Ralph is a different story.

[ronzo]

14. you think the disruptors are lefties?

amen, by the way.

[IranianDemocrat]

15. Yes.

Mostly supporters of St. Ralph.

[WilliamPitt]

19. See, I wouldn't call the far lefties 'disruptors'

They are far lefties, and so most of the candidates don't carry the ideological pedigree. I can respect that. It's not like they're here for the sole reason of making a mess. I can think of several who have been here for years. I respect them. I'd not expect a far lefty to get all giggly over a centrist democrat. That's not disruption; that's flat-out ideological differences.

[mhr]

35. Spot On Will

Thanks for stating things so succinctly!

[quaker bill]

70. Thank you

None of these candidates are republicans. Some are more left, some are more centrist.

They all believe in the basic idea of governance that promotes the common good. The Neo-con republican leadership does not.

This next election is much more basic than the fine details people get so worked up over in here.

The republicans are dismantling the system as quickly as they can. When they are through the only remnants will be the military, a conservative judiciary, and any portions of government that serve corporate power and the transfer of wealth from labor to capital.

Substantial defeat at the polls (so large that manipulation will not mask it) is the remaining hope for this experiment in democracy called the United States.

Do we engage in the fight, or do we simply spend time whipping on each other?

Being one of them, I don't begrudge the lefties their opinions. However, this is not a parliamentary system of government. Unlike in England, getting 10% of the vote here does not move your agenda forward. In fact it may well move it backward.

Regardless of what goes on in here, our party will pick a nominee. When that happens, I for one, am picking up the banner (regardless of the name on it) and taking it to the streets.

[gully]

95. Me too Quaker Bill. Taking it to the streets!!!

:toast:

[janekat]

100. I don't get why you don't go through the media, etc.....

It's more effective to change people opinions THAT way. To have turned an election "upside down" only served to alienate the very people they wanted. It set your movement WAY back.

Why don't you do a documentary ala Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine?" Why didn't the Green Party have Michael Moore do one? Why don't they write a book and get that out there? Political books sell well. I might have been persuaded THAT way.

In my opinion, the Greens did themselves in by allowing Nader to "hijack" their movement. He turned it into the "Ralph Nader" Show. A lot of Greens were very upset when Nader went after the states that were "close" between Gore and Bush after he promised the party he wouldn't.

You have to change people's attitudes SLOWLY. It doesn't happen overnight.

[ronzo]

21. well...

after the round of whack-a-mole, I have to say that many of these folks had to be RW disruptors. Rational Dems don't play smack. Just my humble opinion.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Really? Did you see this thread by an alleged non disruptor?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=393930

[IranianDemocrat]

36. Ok so I got pissed off that night and flamed.

There were about 20 Clark bashing threads on that page. Ya I flamed, what do you want me to do? write a sorry letter?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

37. Really just that once? Funny, I have noticed in many many threads

which I didn't bother to post.

Far fringed centrists pull this bullshit as much as anyone.

[salin]

42. if the flaming disruptions are from extreme leftists...

and one indulges in the behavior of starting such threads... is one by default an extreme leftist? :shrug:

Throw out an accusatory stereotype and sometimes it snag/nets more than one intends.

[charlie]

43. No

Just quitcher whinging about bashing when you've long been a culprit gleefully whacking other candidates. It's unbecoming.

[prolesunited]

91. You know, you're not the only one

who has used that excuse: "I got mad. They made me do it."

How lame. That is the argument of a 5-year-old.

[shanti]

93. i know, it's tiresome

also when flamers say that they "only made ONE flamebait post". personally, i don't care if it's once or a million times, they did it, so they're suspect.

i refuse to post on those threads anymore!

[MuseRider]

108. Some of us did.

[Wonk]

39. Or this one?

Davis should just resign :eyes:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=428014

on edit: Thanks, salin, re: bad link. It's fixed now.

[Wonk]

40. Or this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=428216

[IranianDemocrat]

44. You're joking right?

I posted that thread about Davis thinking for the good of the democratic party, and the second thread was a parody of the Clark jewish thread.
sheesh

[salin]

48. ah... so you get to proclaim what is good for the party

regardless of some california dems vote.

But if some other dems proclaim that they believe someone else is better for the party than clark - or question whether clark is good for the party - even though their behavior is the exact same as yours - it is extreme leftists creating disruption.

Makes sense. NOT.

[IranianDemocrat]

51. I don't view them as working for the good of the party.

There's a clear distinction between those who have legitimate concerns about Clark, and those who insist on calling him names and bashing him without evidence mainly because he's a general. I never bashed anyone in my thread about Davis, I was just wondering if we could still keep California by Davis resigning.

[salin]

53. its all about YOU proclaiming to know the greater good

YOU have proclaimed that duer dems in california, workng for "No on Recall" should all stop. "For the Good of the Party." So Sayeth Iranian Democrat.

Another interpretation would be that such capitulation would lead to more and more aggressive attempts by the GOP to overturn election results - and that in the long run this is NOT a good thing for the democratic party.

[salin]

55. just read your response

you do not say this.

Your question does imply it-- though. All of it. Just not quite so harshly (as it is implied not stated.)

[IranianDemocrat]

57. I'm not saying that I know whats always best.

I don't. Come on I'm not some sort of O'reilly twin.

[salin]

60. I added a second post for clarity

it is how those threads of yours is read - because by extension - the pushing the idea that Davis should get out for the good of the party... suggests that all who are working for him are not working for the good of the party... etc.

For those who feel strongly about the recall, as you feel about Clark, those words and that thread is as inflamatory as you find some of the anti-Clark threads.

Trying on each others' shoes can be a very big step towards civility.

[IranianDemocrat]

61. Ok.

.

[salin]

52. let me add

that I try to always protest at the snotty prognosticating 'my views are the final truth, and all of the rest of ya'll should just shut up' threads that declare how all other candidates and voters should behave. Regardless of who is being promoted or bashed.

[WilliamPitt]

56. Then why aren't you bashing me?

:)

*ducking, fleeing, giggling*

[salin]

62. I seem to think I may have been a bit snide

once or twice on a raise your hand thread... (of course Arid always helps to have around for those threads ;-) )

[WilliamPitt]

64. LOL

Raise Your Hand If...*snif snif*...Goddam, put your hand down!

:)

[salin]

45. psst

that link circled me back to the front of gd

[Wonk]

47. Thanks. I edited in the proper link. nt

[ronzo]

41. Well, I'm sure we can all agree this BS is counterproductive,

I know who I like, and I'm not trying to change anybody's mind on this board. Honestly, there aren't many swing votes here at the moment.

[Terwilliger]

102. You know, the Democrats will soon be voting to bomb Iran

I hope you'll be happy with your support then.

[salin]

2. all of the above?

and Amen.

[Sliverofhope]

3. d sounds plausible and scary

Rove's last stand. He could destroy us from prison with that.

[WilliamPitt]

6. Are we that important?

Survey says no.

[Sliverofhope]

17. True. I don't mean he's personally involved

But so what if he's in jail if we destroy ourselves, ne?

[Mz Pip]

4. The anonimity

of the Internet makes all kinds of nasty behavior possible.

MzPip
:dem:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

97. agreed. Like automobile isolation and road rage. Share info, not rage!!

It's extremely important to share what we can about the track record and veracity of the many dem candidates but ad hominum attacks serve the power structure's need to DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

Still, we mustn't settle for the desperately mindless group-think of UNITED WE STAND.

We don't want to unite behind someone who will be ineffective or a trojan horse for the amoral fascist power structure.

[KittyWampus]

8. Amen, You've Got A Witness!

Welcome Home Will!

[WilliamPitt]

Thanks

:)

[ShaneGR]

9. They need to have a separate forum for bashing threads

Honestly, why not have a forum called "Primary Central"?????

[salin]

13. wouldn't that be... Politics and Campaigns?

oh wait... we do have a forum for that...

[catzies]

65. Why oh why oh why isn't all the carrying-on carried on in P&C forum?

:shrug: Someone tell me, please.

[Room101]

10. All of the above

I have yet to get involved in the Flame wars, and don't plan to.
William that's a lot of traveling :toast:

[frank frankly]

11. a lot of A + B (dickheads are cowards), and more recently, D and more D

I think when people engage in B, it usually reads that way, at least at first before the flames begin.

on the P.S., I am focusing on the end of BushCo right now, and happily accepting any words from any of the candidates to that end.

and on that note, I would like to thank you for your travels and persistence in bringing the truth out.

Thanks!

[eileen_d]

12. You even hate Lieberman?

Kidding - it's just really fun to ding Joe.

I managed to keep my head up and out of the flames today, although I've certainly been a shit slinger in the past. But it's funny - I'm not even mad or annoyed at the people who are doing it anymore. (I used to post under another ID, so I'm not a newbie) It's so old to me I know that it's gotta get old to everyone else eventually.

[starscape]

16. Your post makes me optimistic...

Because it makes me think that perhaps what happens on this board is not indicative of democrats everywhere.

BTW let me know next time you're in Austin, I'd love to come hear you speak!

-ss

[WilliamPitt]

20. DU is not America

I've put 40,000 miles on my boots to find that out, and I am very very very optimistic because of it.

[JohnKleeb]

22. Will lol it would be cool if you spoke at my school

but you see nudge dems are hard to come around here, especially progressive and enlightened ones like yourself.

[WilliamPitt]

32. I'd love to

:)

[JohnKleeb]

38. Thanks

But this school is full of wingers. It would be impossible and I dont have the influence. I am not that popular but if you could, WOW man that would be the next best thing to happen to this town after voting democratic, me getting my license, me getting a girlfriend, etc lol Will it would be great.

[Terwilliger]

101. I see...so DU is not America and you're happy about that

just exactly why are you here?

[WilliamPitt]

103. You think DU *is* America?

Where do you live?

[Terwilliger]

105. I think DU is a veritable cross-section of the left

but people are too busy trying to move us back to the right

Fact of the matter is, everybody in the country could vote for Kucinich, Moseley-Braun, even more left-leaning candidates like Dean, Kerry, Gephardt, if we were'nt so afraid of being called "liberal"

The folks you've met with., Will, don't have a forum like this where they can dig into an issue and dig-in deep. You're meeting with people who barely preceive the general Democrat/Republican lifelong schism and base their notions of what's what on that alone.

Another thing...just because DU is slanted to the left (by the people who participate here) does that mean we're NOT part of America? Or just not the part that Democrats care about?

OH! I forgot...the Dem leadership thinks we're just going to vote for them because there's no other choice for us. Check.

[WilliamPitt]

109. You make a lot of assumptions

The people I speak to are VERY informed about everything I go to talk about.

Also, a "cross-section of the left" isn't America, either.

[Terwilliger]

111. well, it's nice to know everyone is caught up

so you think the 7 in 10 Americans that believed Saddam was associated with 9/11 were all non-Democrats?

A cross-section of the left is supposed to be the Democratic party. I'm seeing more and more that that is not the case.

[LearnedHand]

18. "crazed shit-slinging monkey fuckheadedness"???

ROTFLMAO!! What a perfect description.

In all fairness -- freeper trolls aside -- I wonder if it's because people are "mad as hell" and they're "not going to take it anymore"?


And I think people are scared; I know I am. I see democracy washing out from under my feet like sand in the surf, and it scares the hell out of me.

Now I'm not going to flame some candidate or the candidate's supporters, but I wonder if the fear and anger causes people to overreact? We know no one ELSE on the planet is listening to us, we're being more and more marginalized by people who look scarily like Nazis, and more of our lives are being eaten away just by trying to get to the end of the month before we get to the end of the paycheck.

No excuse for rotten behavior, evenso. But I'm just speculating. :shrug:

[Wonk]

27. re: "crazed shit-slinging monkeys", for those who haven't seen this before

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

[joanski01]

98. Great, Wonk.

Now all I need is some shit. That's me, except for the actual shit. I suppose I could start saving all of my kitties' turds to sling. Man, my TV screen would be all covered with shit spots.

[starscape]

28. another observation.. re: message board culture

in my somewhat limited experience on message boards, I've observed something. It seems that people don't come to message boards to agree on things. Honestly, I've been on some very benign, spirituality-type message boards that have erupted into ridiculous fights for no reason. I think that people just seem to be looking for something to be passionate about, or if they are already passionate about a subject, they find the internet to be the perfect outlet.

I am not excusing this behavior, in fact, it really irritates me. Especially here, where I kind of thought I had found like-minded people, and in some cases I have, but more often than not I've seen some eye-brow raising shit talking! LOL

I realize we need to examine, to criticize, to discuss. No argument. Between that and flaming can be a fine line, I guess I'm still learning to recognize that line myself.

[charlie]

31. A-Yup

DU is hardly unique. Plug your grandma into the Knit-one Perl-two Knitting Board and she'll come back singed inside of a week.

[KittyWampus]

79. "Plug Your Grandma"

That is funny mostly because of the visuals but also because it's true!

[Old and In the Way]

23. "D" of course!

And any reasonable Democrat can see that there are some who are a little too focused on the smear and not nearly as interested in discussing the attributes of his/her choice.

I propose that we start responding to these destructive posts by choosing an appropriate acronym:

ADP - Ant-Democratic Post Don't argue with these clowns, just type ADP and move on. If a couple dozen posters did this (or some other better short phrase/acronym), maybe people would start to get the message.....

[WilliamPitt]

25. I prefer

"aaahhhhhh duuuuuhhh pzzzzzzzcheeeeeeeezzzzzz"

But that's just me.

:)

[Kool Kitty]

24. Very well said.

Isn't the point of the upcoming election to beat Bush? Isn't it important that we bring in new democrats? What's the problem with Clark? He says he's a democrat, he speaks like a democrat, let's give him time to get a message out there and see what comes of it. The reason that I bring up Wesley Clark is that I would think that democrats would be thrilled to have a new party member. I think it's great. I'll take any old ex-repubs or ex-whatevers to boost party membership. I certainly didn't mind when Jeffords declared himself independent. At least he isn't a republican anymore. I think that's a good thing. (This may not be the most coherent message, but it's the best that I can do.) I feel that if the repubs have one strength, it's that they all stick together. (They may have a few minor skirmishes, but basically they are all on the same page.) I'm not saying that we should mirror everything that they do, but a little togetherness might be helpful for us. It seems like people think that if Clark is elected, he going to move into the White House and take a right turn, change parties and rehire Ashcroft. I don't think that would happen.

Every one of these candidates are worthy. Every one of them is capable of speaking for us. But, more important than this is the fact that we are all democrats. We can agree to disagree, wait and see who comes out of this on top, and take it from there. The bottom line is beating Bush, and we shouldn't lose sight of that.

[KaraokeKarlton]

26. It's like that old Breck Shampoo commercial...

You have a small number of skid marks on here who have made it their mission to trash one candidate. The supporters of the candidates under attack by these few skid marks get fed up and retaliate by bashing the candidates of the skid mark trashing their candidate. Then it spreads (like that Breck commercial) until it fills up the whole fucking screen. The only solution is for the admins to wipe those skid marks off the face of DU so people stop reacting to them and it quits spreading like a bad case of the clap. I will say this much...the instigators have mastered what they do because they manage to get usually reasonable and sane people to act like crazed diabolical maniacs. I fear it's going to get much worse before it gets better.

[Lugnut]

29. Amen!

:) And my answer is....all the above.

[phegger]

33. I'd say none of the above...

But it does seem like there's some kind of group hysteria that takes over sometimes--kind of like the daycare abuse witchhunt that went on about a decade(?) ago. I don't mind people being ideologues, or even angry ideologues, but their wild leaps of logic (or illogic) and sweeping accusations make it impossible to engage them at all. I find it frustrating as hell. Oh well...it's a free country. So far.

Thanks for the reminder that there is some sanity beyond the world of DU. I've been trying to make myself believe that, and it's good to have it confirmed.

Amen brother!


-ph :crazy:

[sistersofmercy]

34. AMEN!

[Loyal]

46. Amen, brother

Keep telling it like it is, I'm listening.

[ZenLefty]

49. Another reason - message boards are not like real life

Let me preface this by stating that this is the first post I have made in the GD forum since longer than I can remember. I thought I had absconded with it entirely; leave it to Will to drag me back in.

DU is the first and, to date, only message board I participate in. I've lurked around on other boards of my various interests, and they all seem to have something in common. Some people like to flame. They like to disagree vehemently, even on light subjects. I think there are just people who enjoy being rude to others; the idea of anonymously bashing someone for scant reason must be empowering to them. Or something. Shit, even in the DU Lounge, a discussion on the Beatles can flame broil your burger to well-done in 10 posts or less.

But this isn't real life. The kinds of things said on this board are not spoken eye to eye. About a year or two ago, a freeper sent me a PM calling me all sorts of vile names. I would bet dollars to donuts he wouldn't have the backbone to say what he said to my face. I dunno, maybe we have some unspoken rules of civility when we speak in person with others, rules that are ignored when the lights go out and no one can see our face.

So I think it's more likely to be (a) or (b), than (c) or (d). :shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

54. Heh. Those unspoken rules of civility

Chapter 1, page 1, paragraph 1, sentence 1:

"Probably a good idea to avoid saying shit that might earn you a punch in the face."

Chapter 1, page 1, paragraph 1, sentence 2:

"Unless you enjoy getting punched in the face."

Chapter 1, page 1, paragraph 1, sentence 3:

"It's hard to punch someone in the face on an internet forum."

:)

[ZenLefty]

58. Dammit! You spoke the unspoken rules.

Now I must punch you in the face. ;-)

[WilliamPitt]

59. TRY ME

Come on, come on, I'll fight'cha with my eyes closed, I'll fight'cha with one hand tied behind my back...

:)

[ZenLefty]

67. Five for Fighting

[WilliamPitt]

68. D'oh

Drat. I hate the Box. :)

[imax2268]

50. I think

we have freeper's lurking around DU...

[Dogmudgeon]

63. "C" is for Catharsis

And it's a kind of intellectualized catharsis.

I'm sure you've seen the depth of public frustration and anxiety in your audiences. DU is a kind of asylum, and the crazed-monkey-poo-flinging that goes on here is safe, and has its benefits.

For one, it keeps the poo-flinging confined to those who really want to fling poo.

Second, it allows intraparty conflicts and controversies to be resolved at full blood heat, but with enough "privacy" to avoid really dividing the house. (There's enough of the appearance of a divided house as it is.) I don't doubt that even the most enraged partisans will eventually pull together in the struggle to evict Bush from the White House.

Third, it gives ample opportunity to present The Big Picture, an opportunity you've used well in the past few weeks. The message of solidarity is fairly new to the left in the post-WWII world, and "we" really need to hear it, with as much repetition as its proponants (i.e., you) can bear. The right has no real divisions on the basics, and is able to act with almost superhuman unity on common issues.

I often feel like I'm going through a particularly loathsome stretch myself (and loathsome is an understatement), but I know where my loyalties lie. Even if you hate my ass with an intensity unknown outside of the WWF, I've got your back. And I can make the same statement about anybody with whom I've sparred here, for whatever reason. With as much damage as (a few particular) Greens caused me in 2000, I still point up Ralph Nader's contributions to America. Because as much as I'd like to kick Ralph's ass, I'd gladly let bygones be bygones if it meant retaking the Republic.

Don't let it get to you. The high-pressure outgassing is a positive sign ... a sign of Life Renew'd. The great Democratic Tongue had been frozen to the Metal Pole of a frigid Reality in the Winter of America's History; freshly Rip'd free, and Treated to the warm Cup of Cocoa that Activism hath served, it doth hurt like a Muthafukka.

The next time they ask you who you support, and you say "all of them", and the roof is raised ... know that you're giving a voice to the hopes of tens of millions of Americans, and hundreds of millions of people throughout the world who love America.

And before it's over, we will raise the roof of the world.

--bkl

[WilliamPitt]

66. I agree wholeheartedly, but

I have this cool perspective from being all over the place, and I'd hate like hell for DUers to think this kind of bullshit is standard operating procedure out in the flesh world.

It ain't.

[MaryBear]

69. The DU'ers I've met

have been delightful, passionate, strongly opinionated, articulate, and caring individuals. They are not a match with the unpleasant, rude posters I sometimes read. I wonder, Will... do the nasty DU'ers show their faces? Have you met them?



edited for typo

[WilliamPitt]

72. Not a single solitary one

and the odds are I've passed through their neighborhoods recently.

P.S. I agree wholeheartedly. Every single DUer I have met has been amazing.

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

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[Name removed]

73. Deleted message

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[WilliamPitt]

77. Drat

I thought I was being clever.

:)

[ronzo]

78. Such a thin line....

eom

[MaryBear]

74. Nuh uh, Buzzz.

I didn't read a direct attack on anyone. Why are you doing it now? Cut it out, please.


Edited for clarity in title.

[ronzo]

76. yoink.

[markses]

75. Not only do you get an amen

You also get a woop woop.

Now, the real question is, can you bounce wit me bounce wit me.

[WilliamPitt]

80. Just an early morning

kick

[Squibbie]

85. Amen, Brother Will!

Who'd have known? I am cute and I voted for Al Gore.

[Ruby Newsbee]

81. bashing candidates vs bashing posters

you take the cake, bud. Bulletin boards promote thought, conviction and emotion. People say things they wouldn't say to someone else's face. You'd never say what you said in this post to anyone here directly to their face, unless you're a rude and obnoxious person. All you managed to do is point out that you can discern between meetings with people and thoughts on a bulletin board.

[WilliamPitt]

83. Then I guess I'm a rude and obnoxious person

because I've had this conversation in ten different cities in the last couple months. Alas, poor asshole me.

[Ruby Newsbee]

84. you aren't bragging are you?

lol. I've had this similar conversation in at least 30 cities across country.

[phillybri]

82. B. People say a lot when no one is actually there to call them on it....

Awesome post, Will....

[Name removed]

86. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[JVS]

87. Oh boy, here we go again.

[blondeatlast]

88. Amen, indeed, brother.

[mcar]

89. Amen, brother Will

I'd guess a, b, c, d. I've been a lurker here for some time and an infrequent poster. I am so sick of the flame wars that I don't visit as much as I did. DU used to be a haven for many of us. There'd be disagreements and flame wars but we were all united against Bushco.

Now it's full of juvenile and petty candidate bashing threads.

[Padraig18]

90. A, B & D!

[Lurking Dem]

92. crazed shit-slinging monkey fuckheadedness

From a pure literary perspective, that was an incredibly beautiful (and astute) turn of phrase.

[RetroLounge]

94. crazed shit-slinging monkey fuckheadedness

What if everyone who is sick of bashing thread, just posted this phrase in very one?

"crazed shit-slinging monkey fuckheadedness"

Just post it and leave.

Would they get the message?

Would the post be deleted?

[MrPrax]

96. Was Flaming on DU

as bad or better/same during the 2000 Democratic Presidential primary campaign?

heh

[joanski01]

99. DU wasn't in

existence then. It came into existence after the monkey's inauguration.

[JanMichael]

104. Yup,"crazed shit-slinging monkey fuckheadedness", sums them up.

And I also agree that I'm getting a distasteful opinion of a couple of candidates because of their goat fucker flame bait supporters here.

Sad, isn't it?

[WilliamPitt]

106. One last kick before the rules kick in

:)

[neuvocat]

107. You go from bashing Dean and Clark supporters

now you bash people for doing the same thing.

Amazing.

[DinahMoeHum]

110. Don't look at me, pal. I don't get involved in pissing contests. . .

or flame wars.

Looks like we've got the Nothing-But-The-Best-For-The-Oppressed Syndrome in full epidemic here.


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