Call to Action... 50,000 people on that road in Crawford by Thursday Morn.

[Rosco T.]

.. let's see them try to arrest 50,000 people, or 30,000 or 10,000...

[fooj]

1. The Revolution will be televised!

Peace.

[warrens]

2. That's why they have baseball stadiums

I was in the largest mass arrest in history, 50,000 in May of 1971. I didn't go to RFK stadium like most of them did, which was a pity. But I have a feeling that arresting that many people for civil disobedience would be a great move for our side.

[Booster]

3. Everyone urge ALL Dem elected officials, Senators, Congressmen,

mayors, local officials, EVERYONE to be there by Thursday and stand beside Cindy to show solidarity. Does anyone believe they will arrest only Cindy when high officials are also there. NOT.

[Rosco T.]

4. Anyone know if Max Cleland is busy Thursday??? n/m

[jean]

9. Max certainly knows where to go - he was there last year asking

the coward to decry the Swift Boat ads - they sent a minion out to talk to Max that day...

[Kraklen]

5. Can't arrest them all.

Well, assuming there's 10,000 and they're not cooperating.

[cliss]

7. Yeah. How big is the Crawford jail?

Can it even hold 2 people? I'd like to see them try.

This is spiraling out of their control.

[Kraklen]

8. If ten thousand people...

go to the isolate compound outside of Waco and lie down in the streets and refuse to disperse, it will be an utter disaster for the Bush administration.

[ClayZ]

31. The whole world is watching.

Ed Shultz just interviewed another Military MOTHER who is on her way to stand beside Cindy!


THIS is BIG folks!:kick: :kick:



:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[jbnow]

32. I am so glad to hear that

Other parents who want answers are exactly who should be there.

[Sapphire Blue]

36. That interview was heartwrenching... an Ohio mom w/ a son in the military

... she talked about it being her job to protect him, remembering when he was a little baby in her arms, it being her job to protect him... feeling so helpless now and having to do something.

[AuntiBush]

53. It's Heart-Wrenching; Heart-Breaking...

How any "one" can say any different about Cindy and all the people behind this cause is just sick!

[Sapphire Blue]

55. Mona, the Ohio mom, said that she was checking flights to Crawford,

... and would drive down if she couldn't get a flight. Later, Ed said that several people called in offering to pay her airfare... wanted to do anything that they could to help this mother.

How the Coward-in-Chief, aka the Coward of Crawford County, and his extremist supporters can dishonor these military mothers speaks volumes about their patriotism... and their humanity... or lack thereof.

[OneTwentyoNine]

46. BUMP for this thread!!!! n/t

[wli]

6. any statistics on REX 84 concentration camps around that area?

That would help figure out how many people they actually can arrest.

[Catholic Sensation]

15. yeah: 0

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm

if this site is to be trusted, and judging by a lot of the sites that turned up in the google search i did on this i don't trust the extremism the people exhibit, the closest "concentration camp" is in Austin.

Austin - Robert Mueller Municipal airport has detention areas inside hangars. as do most big airports

[wli]

20. okay, here's what I've got

Waco 24.1 mi
Austin 105 mi
Dallas 120 mi

Isn't there a large airport at Waco, TX?

[Catholic Sensation]

21. so large airport = concentration camp?

Though I do remember entering JFK International Airport through a gate saying Arbeit Macht Freis

[wli]

22. They're supposed to have dual-use hangars ready for internment

I'm not entirely sure, as the official sources on this are scant apart from the admission the REX 84 project exists.

[Catholic Sensation]

23. Well according to the list I posted

there isn't an REX 84 thing in Waco, and this all stinks of black helicopter bullshit.

[wli]

26. they have been getting used vs. demonstrators, c.f. Pier 57

Google for "Guantanamo on the Hudson"

That's a REX 84 thing. So the capacity for mass arrest is related to those.

I kind of doubt they'd do a helicopter or other outright military assault as the first choice, esp. vs. unarmed persons. It's more likely they'd use on-the-ground riot police and ostensibly nonlethal weapons, particularly since that's how they've dealt with things at the numerous anti-WTO demonstrations and the demonstrations at the 2004 RNC Convention.

[Midlodemocrat]

27. You can get to Waco from Atlanta.

[Horse with no Name]

40. There's a compound in Waco....

Oh wait...

[unhappycamper]

24. Actually, the internment camp is as close as the nearest military base.

Perhaps a little brush up on AR 210-35 is in the cards. Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4179456

[Catholic Sensation]

25. the question asked about REX 84 Concentration Camps

internment camps are located all over the country as airports, etc. have them for security, immigration, etc. reasons.

[unhappycamper]

29. I understood what the question was.

I was offering another twist on how our government is poised to handle mass arrests. Mass arrests require more jail cells than are currently available. Internment camps, concentration camps, gulags - call it what you will. bu$hCo have the plans in place.

[wli]

28. okay, good point, where are the nearest bases?

[Catholic Sensation]

10. I do hope you'll be taking part in this mass congregation over there

that you're trying to organize.

[Rosco T.]

17. I'm only 120 miles away... will YOU be there??? n/m

[Catholic Sensation]

19. no, because i'm 1300 miles away,

have to get ready for college (some of us are still in school), still am moving into my new apartment, and have about a million things to do so that i can graduate on time due to my change of major

[lonestarnot]

11. Ewww maybe I need to change my plans for D.C.!

[mwb970]

13. If you can only do one, do Crawford. (n/t)

[lonestarnot]

14. Trying to round up some company.

[lonestarnot]

12. kick

[Mr_Spock]

16. This is what MUST be done.

We must show her support. HE will see her and diffuse this or he will be having a very stressful vacation.

[Amonester]

18. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on Gandhi (GO CINDY!)

"Gandhi was inevitable. If humanity is to progress, Gandhi is inescapable. He lived, thought and acted, inspired by the vision of humanity evolving toward a world of peace and harmony. We may ignore Gandhi at our own risk."

- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.


"What is granted under fear can be retained only so long as the fear lasts."
...
"Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man."
...
"Two kinds of force can back petitions. "We shall hurt you if you do not give this," is one kind of force; it is the force of arms. The second kind of force can thus be stated: "If you do not concede our demand, we shall be no longer your petitioners. You can govern us only so long as we remain the governed; we shall no longer have any dealing with you." The force implied in this may be described as love-force, soul-force, or, more popularly but less accurately, passive resistance. This force is indestructible."

- Mohandas K. Gandhi

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[rodeodance]

30. lets all ask c-span to cover it. congress in not in session and they need

to telecas this.

[Amonester]

34. Feels like we're about to witness History (Live)! :-)

C-SPAN must be there to record History.

Email! Call!!

Urge 'em not to miss it!
Tell 'em they will regret it if they miss it!

I wish I could be there, but i'd have to take a flight, and there's not enough $ in my budget. :(

So my most positive thoughts are with you all.

GO CINDY!

[jbnow]

33. Do they want us there?

"They" being Camp Casey. Do they feel a large group would help or hinder? Would a permit be needed to not give them legal grounds to arrest?

I think the idea is wonderful, the vision of it empowering, just wondering what the word is from Crawford regarding a mass gathering.

[rodeodance]

35. my understanding is that Cindy asked people to come to support. At

least that is what somewhere on these threads.

[AmBlue]

37. Her attorney said

she needs people to come and support the cause.

[jbnow]

38. Thanks. Just wanted to be sure

Then this could be wonderful

[NoSheep]

39. There have been numerous points brought up suggesting that

our immediate zeal may need to be checked. Politicize the event with a bunch of high profile Dems? Then it would be seen as political and not bi-partisan. I think this should be a serious consideration. Are we going to appear the way they did in the Terry Shivo case? I don't mean "us" individual citizans, but the politicians. And should we go there before or after the arrest?

[rodeodance]

41. I hope all DU'ers have emailed their Senators and congresspeople.

[BeTheChange]

42. I think everyone is so excited because Cindy is such uniter...

This is a mother's love. It is powerful and pure and fierce. She isnt some crazy hippie... she is a woman that is ready to stand for something.


You can feel the possibilities if you look at how much she has accomplished with so little. Now, it would just be helpful for people to really sit down and assess the proper game plan. Think about it.. right now there is Veterans for Peace, The Peace House, Gold Star Military families, Code Pink and Ann Wright all down there... lotsa cheifs.. but all doing whatever they need to and are able to to make this happen.

I just hope everyone is thinking it all through and letting the proper channels know so that people can mobilize in whatever way is nessecary.


Im a big planner, so Im just pessimistic by nature unless all i-s are dotted and ts are crossed.

[NoSheep]

43. yep. I getcha.

I understand completely the desire to go there and be a part of it. I want to go. But after thinking about it for some time, I think we should consider the reasons why it might be a better idea to send $ for legal defense. Supplies. Send letters. Write newspapers and congress, etc. It is a really tough call. I cannot go. If I could, I would have left 2 days ago. Now that I have had time to consider it, I think the politicians should be careful not to appear to "use" the situation. Perhaps we should write the Republicans in congress for their support!!!!

[rodeodance]

44. Cindy S. reponse to Good Morning America---she is witty. te he.

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/2005/31-40/32news11.htm

.....Good Morning America called a few minutes ago and her response was that she is tired because she had to get up at 5 o'clock this morning to "not be on your show."

Hardball canceled an interview they had scheduled, and another interview at the Middle School, set for 3 o'clock was canceled. MSNBC is here, and other media, too, including a freelance reporter from Dallas. The Guardian from London will be here tomorrow.
It's going to rain. It 's going to get ugly, no doubt.

[NoSheep]

45. Thanks. I am happy to at least be able to read the notes of someone

who is there.

[BeTheChange]

47. Cindy doesnt seem to be

Republican or Democrat in her message. She is just a mother who made a huge sacrifice and wants to know why. This should be bipartisan if politicians get involved...

[NoSheep]

48. That is exactly what I am thinking and I would hate it for all of us if

this thing turned partisan.

[roguevalley]

49. If people are there, it should be ordinary people and vets. This

should be sent as a message to the fascists that the PEOPLE are rising, not the photo shoot politicos. More scary that way. They can spin politicos. They can't handle people. Obviously.

[DistressedAmerican]

50. Completely Agree.

[NoSheep]

51. Agreed!

[snot]

52. Any significance to all the media interview cancellations?

I think I'll send another blast.

[AndyTiedye]

54. They Got a Phone Call From You-Know-Who

Comey's gone Fitzgerald's days are numbered.
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named is back, and the media once again must fear him.

[CoffeeCat]

57. That's one of the scariest, saddest posts I've ever read on DU...

...do you really think so?

I can't imagine these thugs pulling all of that off.

They don't have the power to get rid of Fitzgerald do they?

Can't he speed up his investigation and release what he has? He has enough now to sink these clowns.

We moved into a new home last week--so I was out of the loop for a bit. Did some new, tragic events transpire?

[AndyTiedye]

58. Comey Has Been Lured Away By a Very Lucrative Private Sector Job Offer

and the man ** is choosing to replace him is a Bushbot hack.
Flannagan will be the new Bork.

Congressional Republicans will cheer. They want Plame/Rove/DSM all to go away.

Of course they have the power to get rid of Fitzgerald!
It probably would be illegal, but that never stopped them before.

The media knows this, so when they got the call to back off on Cindy,
they obeyed immediately.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0507260159jul26,1,4669119.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

[Hubert Flottz]

56. Sometimes an, "Army Of One" can defeat a "super-power"...

Walesa, Lech

(lĕkh´ väwĕn´z) , 1943—, Polish labor and political leader. He worked as an electrician at the Lenin Shipyard in Gdañsk but was dismissed in 1976 for his antigovernment protests. In 1980 striking workers at the shipyard won his reinstatement, and he assumed leadership of the independent trade union Solidarity. A moderate, he gained numerous concessions from the authorities before his arrest and internment in the military crackdown of 1981. He was released in Nov., 1982, and in 1983 was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=49815

Lech Walesa


Lech Walesa, THE FLY, FEISTY, MUSTACHIOED ELECTRICIAN from Gdansk, shaped the twentieth century as the leader of the Solidarity movement that lead the Poles out of communism. It is one of history's great ironies that the nearest thing we have ever see to a genuine workers' revolution was directed against a so - called workers' state. Poland was again the breaker for the rest of the Central Europe in the "velvet revolutions" of 1989. Walesa's contribution to the end of communism in Europe, and hence the end of Cold War, stands beside those of his fellow Pole Pope John Paul II, and the Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

Lech Walesa's life, like those of Gorbachev and the Pope, was shaped by communism. Born to a family of peasant farmers in 1943, he came as a young man to work in the vast shipyard that the communist state was developing on the Baltic coast, as did so many other peasant sons. A devout Roman Catholic, he was shocked by the repression of the workers' protests in the 1970's and made contact with small opposition groups. Sacked from his job, he nonetheless climbed over the perimeter wall of the Lenin Shipyard in Gdansk in August 1980, at age of thirty-seven, to join the occupation strike. With his electrifying personality, quick wit, and gift of the gab, he was soon leading it. He moved his fellow workers away from mere wage claims and toward a central, daringly political demand: free trade unions.

When the Polish communists made this concession, which was without precedent in the history of the communists world since 1917, the new union was christened Solidarnose (Solidarity). Soon it hasd 10 million members, and Walesa was its undisputed leader. For sixteen months they struggled to find a way to coexist with the communist state, under the constant threat of Soviet invasion. Walesa - known to almost everyone as Lech - was foxy, unpredictable, often infuriating, but he has a natural genius for politics, a matchless ability for sensing popular moods, and great powers of swaying a crowd. Again and again, he used these powers for moderation. He jokingly described himself as a "fireman", dousing the flames of popular discontent. In the end, martial law was declared. Walesa was interned for eleven months and then released.

Yet Solidarity would not die, and Walesa remained its symbol. He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983. With support from the Pope and U.S., he and his colleagues in the underground leadership of Solidarity kept the flame alight, until the advent of Mikhail Gorbachev in the Kremlin bought new hope. In 1988 there was another occupation strike in the Lenin Shipyard in Gdansk, which Walesa again joined - though this time as the grand old man among younger workers. A few months later, the Polish communists entered into negotiations with Solidarity, at the first Round Table in 1989. Walesa and his colleagues secured semi free elections in which Solidarity proceeded to triumph. In August, just nine years after he had climbed over the shipyard wall, Poland got its first non-communist Prime Minister in more than fifty years. Where Poland led, the rest of the Central Europe soon followed - and the Soviet Union was not far behind. More...

http://www.4to40.com/legends/index.asp?article=legends_lechwalesa


This brave man really did what REAGAN tried to take all the credit for! Lech Walesa started the process that led to freedom from the iron grip of the USSR, for eastern Europe and East Germany. The War in Afghanistan and Mr.Walesa caused the USSR to begin to crumble from within. I've never seen Lech Walesa's name on a political chat board. Almost never hear Mr.Walesa name in the MSM.

Reagan just mostly did wild west photo ops like Buckaroo Bush does, then took credit for "freeing Europe"! TOTAL BULLSHIT! Mr. Gorbachev, bring down your walls", was like Bushco's Rubber Turkey Tour or the Top Gunnish "Mission Accomplice" stunt!

YES, one person CAN make a BIG difference and YES, that one person can be YOU!

[Hubert Flottz]

59. Kick!!!!

:kick: