A Hypothetical scenario concerning south american adoptions of Irish kids.

[patcox2]

I am going to talk about a hypothetical situation. It involves someone I will call "A Hypothetical Person Who May Soon Be Appointed To A High Government Position" (AHPWMSBATAHGP). AHPWMSBATAHGP has two adopted children in this hypothetical. Yet there are conflicting reports about this adoption, whether it ocurred in some south american country, or Ireland. Hypothetical people are wondering why Irish children would be adopted through a south american court.

Here is a hypothetical scenario that would explain this hypothetical question:

Assume the following hypothetical facts:
1. The kids were adopted in south america.
2. The kids were born in Ireland.
3. Irish law prohibits non-residents from adopting Irish kids.
4. Mrs. AHPWMSBATAHGP has close family in Ireland and travels there to see them ferquently (trust me, this is not as hypothetical as it might seem)


So, the hypothesis that follows rather logically, is that in order for AHPWMSBATAHGP to adopt an Irish child or two, someone who was an Irish resident would be needed, to adopt the kids in Ireland. then, some way must be found to transfer the kids from this "straw man" to
AHPWMSBATAHGP. It is highly unlikely that Irish law allows an adoptive parent to just give the kids away to some third party without Irish court approval, so they couldn't go back to the Irish court.

But voila, look over here, a corrupt court in some banana republic that is willing to rubber stamp a proceeding which is presented as a "private adoption." With the hypothetical possibility of fraud having been commmitted on the courts of both ireland and this banana republic.

Its an interesting hypothetical, for those who like brain-teasers, for pure purposes of amusement.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Wow... I *am* amused, if only hypothetically!

:)

[Bunny]

2. The children are only 4 months apart in age, thus not from the same

mother. How do they hypothetically get two kids adopted out in Ireland by the straw people, sent to S. America, then legally adopted through the S. American nation?

Your hypothesis is interesting, BTW.

[patcox2]

4. If straw man is a good parent on paper, could have worked.

Straw man may have been quite qualified on paper, with the result that adoption officials agreed to give straw man two kids.

You process a private adoption in a south american court pretty much the way they used to process divorces in south american courts back in the old days. Straw man and children go to the country in question. Then they file papers that say the right things about their residency (whether true or not), and the south american court doesn't look too close, because they are just interested in collecting the court fees. And now you have a judgment which must be respected by the american courts.

[Bunny]

12. Yeah, I could see how that could work.

[okieinpain]

6. ok, so hypothetically we have a potential appointee, that doesn't

mind bending the law if it benefits him. I still don't hypothetically attacking the potential appointee over his kids, well unless he killed somebody.

[Bunny]

9. That's nice for you, but I have a problem with an appointee to the

Highest Court in the Land circumventing international law to obtain two living human beings.

[okieinpain]

15. you seem to be forgetting this is all hypothetic.

[Divernan]

3. Such act demonstrates contempt for the rule of law

Speaking as a lawyer, I have observed that for far too many lawyers and judges, the practise of law is not about justice or the spirit of the law; it's about accumulating and exercising power and wealth. (Note that Mrs. Hypothetical is also a lawyer.)

Anyone who plays these games with the law should not be appointed to the highest court of Hypothetical Land.

[patcox2]

7. Curious, in your legal judgment, as to plausibility?

I am a lawyer too, and this procedure just leaped out at me. How likely do you think it would be that by an amazing coincidence, this hypothetical might have a parallel in real life?

[Mr.Green93]

5. Where is the mother?

Has something happened to her? How would we know?

[Bunny]

10. Two mothers. The kids were born four months apart.

[Mr.Green93]

13. They need to come forward

We need to know that they are safe.

[Not_Giving_Up]

8. I am hypothetically outraged

I could hypothetically scream.

[Gormy Cuss]

11. Taking your hypothesis to a slightly different tangent

4.a the Mrs. also has relatives or friends living in South America who are willing to sponsor the Irish woman or women in their quest for a better life outside of Ireland.

5.Said mother or mothers relocate to South America, out of the grasp of the Irish government, and allow the children to be adopted privately.

I have only see a reference of 4 1/2 months age difference in the Time article and I just have a feeling it's a typo. If they are 14 1/2 months apart in age, they could be biological siblings adopted together when the younger one was an infant. The girl looks more than a few months older than the boy, but I realize looks can be deceiving.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. Hypothetically, they could have been Latin American mothers

who both happened to be in Ireland for the births, and then took their babies back to their Latin American countrie{s), and then put them up for adoption. I think a hypothesis like that is stretched enough to warrant a proper investigation into the true situation by adoption authorities, especially those in Ireland. If the authority in Ireland say they're happy with the whole story, then I'd be happy, and wouldn't need to know the details.

To be clear: I would not advocate the children being taken away from their adoptive parents - they're clearly a family now. But the fitness for a high legal position of a father who would circumvent the law like that is a big question. As someone said, it's more serious than a question over a nanny's employment status.