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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 03:47 PM
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Bush is No Nixon
No mother who lost her son to this Iraq war should be made to stand in a ditch, and yet that is exactly where Cindy Sheehan stands today, by the side of the road in Crawford, Texas. She has been standing there since she heard about the 20 Marines who were killed in Iraq last week, since she heard George W. Bush describe from his vacation home the noble cause for which those Marines died.

Cindy’s son, Casey, died in Iraq for that cause more than a year ago. She heard those words from Mr. Bush and went to Crawford. She wanted to talk to the president. The folks in the ranch sent out a couple of lackeys to speak with her. “They were very respectful,” Sheehan said later to CNN. “They were nice men. I told them Iraq was not a threat to the United States and that now people are dead for nothing. I told them I wouldn't leave until I talked to George Bush. I want to ask the president, ‘Why did you kill my son? What did my son die for?’ Last week, you said my son died for a ‘noble cause and I want to ask him what that noble cause is?”

Today, she is standing in a ditch by the side of the road in Crawford, waiting to speak to Mr. Bush. Many who hear this may have the obvious reaction: Who does this woman think she is? Who thinks they can just bop down the road and speak to the president? This is an important man, and there are security concerns, and anyway, who thinks they can just show up for a sit-down like this?

Well, Sheehan did get an invitation of sorts. A presidential spokesman described Bush’s time in Crawford (approximately five weeks, or about as much vacation time as the average Frenchman gets) as a chance for him to, “shed his coat and tie and meet with folks in the heartland and hear what's on their minds.” Sure, this administration has raised secrecy and isolation to a zen-like art form, but it sounded pretty clearly like George goes to Texas to talk to the folks. Cindy Sheehan would like to talk.

It’s interesting. In the last 50 years, few presidents have been more reviled, denounced and tarnished than Richard M. Nixon. The Vietnam war, Kent State, the attacks upon Cambodia, not to mention the Watergate scandal, left Nixon surrounded by demonstrators and investigators who eventually forced him into an unprecedented resignation.

The Nixon and Bush administrations share a number of fascinating similarities. Both inspired stunning vituperation from those who opposed them. Hunter S. Thompson, avowed life-long foe of Nixon, remembered him this way: “Let there be no mistake in the history books about that. Richard Nixon was an evil man -- evil in a way that only those who believe in the physical reality of the Devil can understand it. He was utterly without ethics or morals or any bedrock sense of decency. Nobody trusted him -- except maybe the Stalinist Chinese, and honest historians will remember him mainly as a rat who kept
scrambling to get back on the ship.”

It is easy to imagine, and easy to find via a simple Google search, similar sentiments aimed towards Mr. Bush.

Both were burdened by an unpopular war, the fighting of which appeared with each passing day to be more and more futile. Nixon’s Vietnam came to him from Johnson, and Kennedy before him, and Eisenhower, who Nixon served as vice president. Bush’s Iraq came to him from his father, not only from that first Bush administration but from the senior’s time as vice president to Reagan. One notable difference here, of course, is that Nixon inherited a catastrophic shooting war while Bush created one.

Nixon and his people were obsessed with secrecy, and with dirty tricks. The boys in the Bush White House share the sentiment, and have managed to surpass the Nixonian standards. Nixon wanted to destroy his critics. Bush and his people have actually destroyed more than a few, including a deep-cover CIA operative married to a man who attacked Bush’s Iraq policy in print.

Both were dogged by protesters wherever they went, yet here is the point at which the similarities diverge. Bush has the benefit of First Amendment Zones, which keeps demonstrations far away, out of sight and out of mind. He would just as soon flush himself down a toilet as speak to someone critical of his actions. More than any other administration in recent memory, this Bush crew represents the triumph of the Yes-Men. Bush is in his bubble, managed and spun, and nothing gets through.

Nixon, on the other hand, went a different way one interesting and significant night. In May of 1970, right after the Kent State shootings, when civil unrest across the nation had reached a fever pitch and opposition to the war had roared again to the forefront, Nixon woke his personal valet in the middle of the night. He grabbed a few Secret Service agents and set off for the Lincoln Memorial. There, he spent an hour talking with a large gathering of war protesters encamped around the monument.

The Time Magazine article from May 18, 1970 recalls the scene this way: “When the conversation turned to the war, Nixon told the students: ‘I know you think we are a bunch of so and so’s.’” Before he left, Nixon said: ‘I know you want to get the war over. Sure you came here to demonstrate and shout your slogans on the ellipse. That's all right. Just keep it peaceful. Have a good time in Washington, and don't go away bitter.’ The singular odyssey went on. Nixon and his small contingent wandered through the capital, then drove to the Mayflower Hotel for a breakfast of corned beef hash and eggs -- his first restaurant meal in Washington since he assumed power. Then he withdrew to his study in the Executive Office Building to sit out the day of protest.”

There will be a large anti-war protest in Washington DC on September 24th. Is it even conceivable that George W. Bush might remove himself from the White House that day to speak with the people who disagree with his leadership? The idea is laughable on its face.

Cindy Sheehan is not in a large crowd in Washington DC. She is not camped on the Lincoln Memorial. She waits for Mr. Bush in a ditch by the side of the road in Crawford, arguably the safest and most comfortable spot in America for this self-styled cowboy. Yet he does not emerge to speak to this woman who lost her son to his war. Somehow, it seems a safe bet that not even Richard Nixon would keep this woman waiting.

There is an Iraqi sniper, nicknamed Juba, operating in southern Baghdad. He is very good, never firing more than one shot to keep his position concealed, and he almost always hits his mark. Juba is credited with shooting more than a dozen American soldiers. According to the UIK Guardian, “He waits for soldiers to dismount, or stand up in a Humvee turret, and aims for gaps in their body armour, the lower spine, ribs or above the chest. He has killed from 200 metres away.”

Juba is but one threat to US soldiers in Iraq, who are there because Bush sent them there on a mission based upon lies. How many more mothers will Juba put down in that ditch next to Cindy Sheehan? How long will they have to wait for an answer to their question?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 03:52 PM
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1. GW Bush: "Who cares what you think?"
That was his statement to a critic during the 2000 campaign, remember? And that's the foundation for everything he does. It's all a big FU, to the world, to the US, to the Gold Star Mother. GWB: FU.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:04 PM
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5. He said that to a journalist on the steps of the Lincoln memorial
anyway that is where I think the exchange took place and I believe it was 4th of July weekend, 2001. The guy said he thought bush** was doing a lousy job and ** glared at him and said, "Who cares what you think." Coward condescending little jerk! Someone should remind the puke that he WORKS for us!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:18 PM
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11. It was on some receiving line, but your quotes are correct, IIRC
The Jefferson Memorial faux pas was a whole nother thing, where he could barely speak. The transcript of that exchange is priceless if you can find it.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:40 PM
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18. Okay, I stand corrected.
I guess the point is that he had the nerve to say it at all!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:46 PM
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34. Don't forget
he was at a high school and he was talking to someone back stage and called a reporter an ass and the microphone was on and everybody heard him. Don't forget Cheney calling a democratic Senator (who was that??) on the Senate floor to fuck off.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:33 PM
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14. Wouldn't matter. He is the poster child for the dissociative state.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:05 PM
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22. Hey, and don't forget these little gems:
I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." —as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

or

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:08 PM
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24. His arrogance keeps on showing.
Who in the hell does he think he is?
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:28 PM
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25. "Who cares what you think."
Heh, heh...couldn't help myself. Yes he's the prickest of the pricks.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:34 PM
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26. LOL
Not bush** that's for sure! :evilgrin: He would have to step up a notch to be the 'prickest of the pricks"! He is actually lower than snake poop!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:50 PM
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36. Especially now that they stole their second term
It really pisses me off. He works for US!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:49 PM
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35. Very telling
Is Woodward's book any good? Also remember someone told here once of one time at an RNC convention that Bush and Poppy were being interviewed and they were asked what they talked about when they were spending time together and Bush said "pus&&*".
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:45 PM
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33. Really
And also Tom Brokaw was doing a special on MSNBC when he retired and he interviewed Bush and told Bush how Clinton had a 60% approval raiting and Bush shrugged his shoulders and said "Too bad. I'm president now." :crazy:
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 03:57 PM
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2. Wow, I read this before I realized who posted it.
Way to go Will!!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:08 PM
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7. Me too

I was thinking "nominated!!!"... then I checked the author and realized... duh, but of course.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:02 PM
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3. Nixon, for all his faults, was Presidential.
A crook, but a statesman.

Bush is a stain and an empty suit.

History will be far less kind on him than it is on Nixon.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:08 PM
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6. Agreeded... Nixon was a crook, not a murder/thief... at least he did ...
.. a few good, worthwhile things...

Like the EPA.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:50 AM
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45. Consumer protection. Opening China. What has Bush done other
than be a "war" president. Destroyed the economy, the press, the middle class, the Constitution, & enriched the corporations and his base. His is the most negative presidency ever in the US. Worse than Harding or Nixon.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:09 PM
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9. history?
History will be so harsh on Bush they'll have to throw history in jail for threatening the life of a sitting President.


-85%
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:30 PM
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13. thanks for this Will
Cindy breaks my (mothers) heart
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:04 PM
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4. Excellent post. thank you
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demzilla Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:08 PM
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8. When Nixon met the mother of a soldier who died in Vietnam
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 04:08 PM by demzilla
he didn't know what to say and gave her a couple of souvenir presidential pens. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking he was any more empathetic than Chimpy. His midnight visit to the Lincoln Memorial was more the product of his bizarre personality than of any real desire to understand or appreciate the opposition, which he did everything to squelch.

And, as I recall, he ordered buses be put around the White House to blockade the very same protesters.

Nixon prolonged the Vietnam War for four years at a cost of thousands of US (and Vietnamese) lives. Even by comparison to the dolt in the White House today, he was no saint.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:13 PM
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10. Wow, the last two paragraphs made me cry...
You are absolutely right... I can't see Bush emerging to talk to Cindy either. Why would he? This is all business to him... Bush meeting the families? PR. Going out to do his town hall meetings? PR Going to Walter Reed to talk to our wounded soldiers? PR Talking about Peter Jennings? PR It's all business... And unless he has his podium to lean over, and supporters, why chance a PR disaster?

As long as he has his bicycle and can clear brush, I see no reason for this hollow shell of a man to ever come out and talk to Cindy....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:52 PM
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37. The reason why he doesn't meet with Cindy
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 10:52 PM by FreedomAngel82
is because he can't control the event. Cindy isn't some Bush loyalist with sparkley eyes like she's meeting David Cassidy or Justin Timberlake or something. She's a real greiving mother who wants the truth on why her son was killed. Bush can't fake that. If he does she will tell people. He'll lose either way. Remember these people care about the image they give off. If they can't control the debate and the image they don't do it.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:24 PM
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12. For historical analogies to Bush, look at Woodrow Wilson.
Wilson epitomized the idea of American exceptionalism. He viewed WWI as a crusade. He believed fanatically in the righteousness of the war -- he said "I am sure that my heart speaks the same thing that wish their hearts to speak. I will not cry 'peace' as long as there is sin and wrong in the world. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of the Holy Scripture."

His administration did everything they could to suppress dissent and to intimidate people who didn't support the war. They influenced Congress to pass new sedition laws that included severe criminal penalties for any criticism of the government. A volunteer group called the American Protective League were authorized by the Department of Justice to harass union leaders and people who spoke out against the war.

And Wilson's administration was the first to use a public relations campaign to indoctrinate Americans about the righteousness of the war and to suppress all news that was negative in any way or that they felt might harm morale.

Sound familiar?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:39 PM
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16. Agreed! The Wilson administration is way too overlooked.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 04:40 PM by Pacifist Patriot
If you walked up to someone and said, "Would you believe the United States once invaded Russia?" they would think you were crazy. The U.S. invaded more countries during the Wilson administration than during any other administration in our history.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWespionage.htm

The Espionage Act was passed by Congress in 1917 after the United States entered the First World War. It prescribed a $10,000 fine and 20 years' imprisonment for interfering with the recruiting of troops or the disclosure of information dealing with national defence. Additional penalties were included for the refusal to perform military duty. Over the next few months around 900 went to prison under the Espionage Act.

Criticised as unconstitutional, the act resulted in the imprisonment of many of the anti-war movement. This included the arrest of left-wing political figures such as Eugene V. Debs, Bill Haywood, Philip Randolph, Victor Berger, John Reed, Max Eastman, and Emma Goldman. Debs was sentenced to ten years for a speech in Canton, Ohio, on on 16th June, 1918, attacking the Espionage Act.

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Two things:

1. I cannot stand it when anyone holds up Wilson as a "modern" Democrat and then white washes his corporate-ass kissing, racist elitist record. Be true about your history or you'll look like a fool.

2. This is why I think the U.S. CAN rebound from the unconstitutionality of the Bush regime. FDR came AFTER Wilson.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:44 PM
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48. I dunno about that...I partially agree
Wilson did have the fundy messianic streak that the chimp cops to, but at the same time his use of the League of Nations is in no way like how Bush treats the UN.
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BabboonBush Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:39 PM
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15. Read
"Worse than Watergate" by John W. Dean.

I agree on most points. However, Bush didn't "inherit" this war like Nixon inherited Vietnam. Bush created this war. It was not previously ongoing. He started it. Does that make Bush worse? I think so.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:40 PM
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19. I've got that on call at the library.
Very popular and hard to get. This is a good thing! I live in a very red area.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:46 PM
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20. Open to question
Iraq was being regularly bombed all through the Clinton administration. Bush turned it into a full-on war, but to say it was created in 2003 skips more than 10 years of attacks on that country.
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BabboonBush Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 05:07 PM
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23. Occassional bombings, yes.
But not all out war, vis a vis pre-Nixon Vietnam.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:40 PM
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17. DU thread on Nixon's pre-dawn visit to the protesters
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 04:48 PM
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21. Vaguely recall a similar story. My recall is filtered through the "foggy
ruins of time." As I remember, it was a female college student who confronted Nixon at the memorial. She was stunned to recognize him wandering about in the early morning hours. She said he had a large amount of makeup on his face and he was wearing a bathrobe. He appeared drunk or "on something," when she was finished berating him on the war he asked where she went to school, when she replied Nebraska, he asked what she thought of the football teams chances in the fall. She wanted to talk about the war and he wanted to discuss football.
I'm not sure where I read this account. In those years I had no TV and read no newspapers. My news came from my peers, the Berkeley Barb, Realist Magazine and an occasional Rolling Stone. It could have been a spoof on the actual event.
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:06 AM
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44. It was in the movie Nixon, by Oliver Stone
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 01:12 AM by nomatrix
starring Anthony Hopkins and Joan Allen.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113987/



Richard M. Nixon: Hi, I'm Dick Nixon.

Student: You're shittin' me.

Richard M. Nixon: Where you from?

Student: Syracuse.

Richard M. Nixon: The Orangemen! Now there's a football program. Jim Brown. And that other tailback... The one with the blood disease.

Student: Ernie Davis.

Richard M. Nixon: Right, right. I used to play a little ball myself at Whittier.


Richard M. Nixon: Of course, they used to use me as a tackling dummy.

Young Woman: We didn't come here to talk about football.

Richard M. Nixon: Well, I understand that. Probably most of you think I'm a real SOB. I know that. I understand how you feel, I really do. I want peace, too, but peace with honor.

Young Woman: What does that mean?

Richard M. Nixon: Well, you can't have peace without a price. Sometimes you have to be willing to fight for peace. And sometimes to die.

Student: What you have to understand, Mr. Nixon, is that we are willing to die for what we believe in.

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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:15 PM
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27. Excellent, excellent post.
"No mother who lost her son to this Iraq war should be made to stand in a ditch"

Those words made me cry.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 08:45 PM
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28. Even Nixon's strike at constitutional democracy pale to Bush's.
Bush has the advantage of an ideological imperative to unrestrained executive power supplied by the neocons and theocrats, and the further advantage of a fear and willingness to be commanded not felt in the later days of the cold war.

The monolith that Bush has built in congress, the media, the courts, the military, simply builds on what Nixon failed to accomplish. As the media and congress caused Nixon's downfall, Bush and his allies neutered those institutions.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:52 PM
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29. Excellent !
:)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 09:59 PM
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30. As Repugnant and Evil As Nixon Was, Chimpy Is Worse
Nixon was at the very least, smart, cunning and self made, and I can respect those qualities, even in an evil person.

Chimpy is a boorish, low brow pig compared to Nixon.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:37 PM
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31. Watergate seems trivial now--
--at least compared to what Bush has done.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:42 PM
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32. Really telling
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 10:42 PM by FreedomAngel82
Also with Nixon he didn't steal two elections and he didn't have a rich and powerful daddy to get him out of messes. He was stuck on his own. And I think he really cared and loved his wife and daughter. In some ways I actually feel bad for him. Bush I don't feel any sympathy.
He did this on his own and we know he doesn't give a damn.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:55 PM
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38. Beautiful William Pitt!
What a statement! Thought you were on your way to Crawford.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:25 PM
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40. I am
tomorrow morning.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:31 PM
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41. If no one goes to jail we may be leaving on Friday morn.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:57 PM
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39. As my Dad says about Bush "Nixon looks like amateur nite in Dixie
compared to this asshole"
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 11:34 PM
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42. Nixon wanted the love and respect of the whole American people,
likely the by-product of his own cold, introverted nature.

Many who enter politics do so because they are, by nature, extroverts. They're good with people; they can communicate well and convince others to follow them through sheer force of personality. If the people disagree with them, they learn to mold their message to better convince those in opposition. Even people who disagree with them politically will often admit to liking them personally.

One could put politicians like FDR, Kennedy, Clinton, and even Reagan into that category.

Nixon doesn't fit into that category at all. He was undeniably intelligent but he completely lacked the ability to convince great masses of people. Although Americans supported him to varying degrees throughout his career, they usually did so because the opposition -- either in reality or in perception -- was even less palatable than he was.

Nixon hated politicians like JFK because they possessed that ability to move masses of people. Nixon coveted that ability but never gained it. Few people who disagreed with Nixon's policies would turn around and say "But he's a good person."

I can imagine what was running through Nixon's mind as he made that trip to the Lincoln Memorial. "I'll show them. I'll wish them well and they'll think I'm a good guy." That's Nixonian logic.

As for Bush, he strikes me as a hybrid of the two political types I've discussed. There's no doubt that he possesses the ability to convince a great many people; the devotion of the right wing is testament to that.

But that ability fails him when it comes to convincing anyone who wasn't already predisposed to agreeing with him. In response, he's simply been cut off from dissent; in Bush's mind, it doesn't exist. To him, those who disagree with him are part of a radical fringe. They're only a small portion of the American population. Therefore, why bother to convince them?

I'll bet Bush was surprised when he didn't get 65% of the vote last year.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 12:34 AM
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43. Who will Bush have arrested first?
Osama bin Laden or Cindy Sheehan?

This pertinent question was posed by Carrie Cann at Carrie's Bar & Grill
http://carriecann.blogspot.com/2005/08/who-will-bush-have-arrested-first.html
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 01:50 AM
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46. Lets not forget
that Nixon, as evil as he was, managed to actually pass some reasonable legislation. The EPA was created, numerous civil rights laws, the opening of China (which was a good thing, todays problems nonwithstanding), and the extraction of our troups from Vietnam.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 02:49 AM
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47. If 2008 came down to Nixon or Bush...
...I'd, without a doubt, volunteer my services to Nixon's campaign.
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