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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:34 PM
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The Most Insidious of Traitors (my Plame story, HELP)
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 12:49 PM by WilliamPitt
Did I get this right? What am I missing? How can I sharpen this up? DU is an awesome open-air think tank when it is not eating itself. Help me heat this branding iron, and thanks deeply in advance:

(edited to add the 'inside baseball' paragraph, and some corrections)

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The Most Insidious of Traitors
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Tuesday 30 September 2003

"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."

- George Herbert Walker Bush, 1999

Karl Rove, senior political advisor to George W. Bush, is a very powerful man. That is not to say he has never been in trouble. Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush Sr. campaign for trashing Robert Mosbacher, Jr., who was the chief fundraiser for the campaign and an avowed Bush loyalist. Rove accomplished this trashing of Mosbacher by planting a negative story with columnist Bob Novak. The campaign figured out that Karl had done the dirty deed, and he was given his walking papers.

Demonstrably, Rove is back in the saddle again. The January 2003 edition of Esquire magazine carried an article by Ron Suskind which quoted comments from John DiIulio, a domestic policy advisor to the White House who had just retired from his post. On October 24, DiIulio had sent a letter to Suskind describing what he had seen while working for the Bush administration. The meat of the letter described an administration far, far more interested in raw political triangulation and ruthless spin than in actual policy and government functionality. Some excerpts from DiIulio’s letter:

“Some are inclined to blame the high political-to-policy ratios of this administration on Karl Rove...some staff members, senior and junior, are awed and cowed by Karl's real or perceived powers. They self-censor lots for fear of upsetting him, and, in turn, few of the president's top people routinely tell the president what they really think if they think that Karl will be brought up short in the bargain. Karl is enormously powerful, maybe the single most powerful person in the modern, post-Hoover era ever to occupy a political advisor post near the Oval Office."

Even a casual political observer would have had trouble missing the fact that this is one of the sharpest political outfits ever to reside in the Oval Office. Bush’s team is a unified wall, cemented to their message-of-the-day, and they have done very well for themselves because of this. All of this can be laid at the feet of Karl Rove, the senior political advisor to George W. Bush. According to DiIulio, the preeminence of political considerations within this administration is so complete that any and all policy considerations or contemplation of actual issues are not so much in the back seat as they are in the trunk below the spare tire and the jack. This, again, can be laid at the feet of Mr. Rove.

All of Washington and the country has been buzzing for the last few days over a report that the CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate the White House regarding a matter of important national security. The wife of a former ambassador named Joseph Wilson, it has been alleged, was ‘outed’ as an active CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak by this White House in an act of political revenge.

Joseph Wilson was the man dispatched to Niger in February of 2002 by the CIA, after Vice President Dick Cheney asked CIA to figure out whether there was any substance to the charge that Iraq was attempting to procure uranium “yellow cake” from that nation for the purpose of starting a nuclear weapons program. Wilson went, investigated, and returned eight days later to state flatly that the evidence was garbage. Mr. Wilson told this to the CIA, the State Department, and the National Security Council. Despite the fact that Wilson made it clear that these allegations were untrue – it was revealed that the ‘evidence’ to support the Niger uranium charge was a pile of crudely forged documents – George W. Bush used the Niger uranium evidence dramatically in his 2003 State of the Union address.

In July, Wilson went very public, criticizing the White House for using evidence to support war that they knew was patently false. One week later, Robert Novak reported that Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, was an active CIA operative. As it turns out, two “White House officials” called six different journalists and informed them of Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA agent, according to an anonymous administration official quoted by the Washington Post. That same administration official was quoted about these revelations as saying, “Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge.” Joseph Wilson likewise charges that this act was done as an act of revenge for his vocal criticism of George W. Bush and the administration’s actions leading up to the Iraq war. Specifically, he blames Karl Rove for cutting down his wife.

The facts of this story are singularly grotesque. Taken at the top layer, you have a White House that appears perfectly willing to go after the family members of its critics. Valerie Plame’s career is destroyed, period. The act itself displays a level of viciousness that is dangerous to the functioning of this, or any, democracy.

Peel the second layer and you discover the rank illegality of it all. Section 421 of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 reads as follows:

“Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”

The third layer is where the darkness truly lurks, and where the deadly importance of this situation lies. Valerie Plame was not simply an analyst or a data cruncher. She was running a network dedicated to locating and stopping any person or nation that might try to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorists. That sentence deserves to be written twice. She was running a network dedicated to locating and stopping any person or nation that might try to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

The Bush administration pushed very hard the idea that America is in danger from WMDs being placed into the hands of terrorists. This was one of the central arguments behind the war in Iraq. Yet in order to protect Bush’s political standing, a couple of “top administration officials” blew Valerie Plame, and by proxy her network, completely out of the water in an attempt to shut her husband up. In short, in order to protect Bush from the ramifications of using fake evidence to support his war, this White House destroyed an intelligence network that was protecting us from the threat posed by chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons.

We are less safe now that Valerie Plame is out of work, and the members of her network are in mortal danger of being revealed and destroyed. Beyond that, we are facing a level of hypocrisy that shatters any and all previously known boundaries. This administration ginned up a war in Iraq based upon manufactured evidence and wildly overstated threats, all of which was painted over with rhetoric about defending the country from terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. The fate of Valerie Plame, and her network, shows without doubt that the moral standing of this administration is as empty as Saddam Hussein’s WMD cache.

Mr. Wilson believes Karl Rove did this to his wife, and to our country. Mr. Rove has done this before, specifically using Robert Novak to cut down Mosbacher. Rove knows no ideology beyond power, and has no bones about using it to wreak havoc on anyone who gets in his crosshairs. The Esquire article about DiIulio finds him recounting a singular Rove moment, as he overheard a conversation happening in another room: “Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. ‘We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!’"

Guess who was doing the cursing and threatening.

One last bit of inside baseball. When the Niger scandal erupted, the Bush administration went out of its way to scapegoat the CIA for the mess, despite the fact that the CIA, along with the entire intelligence community, had been cut out of the loop by Don Rumsfeld’s Office of Special Plans. The OSP, and its pet Iraqi Ahmad Chalabi, became the source for all of the information regarding Iraq’s weapons capabilities, and a number of intelligence insiders have publicly blamed that group for the preponderance of highly erroneous data about Iraq. For the Bush administration to completely usurp the CIA by depending solely on data manufactured by the Office of Special Plans, and then turn around and blame CIA when the OSP’s data did not turn out to be true, is as insane as it is laughable. Yet this is what they have done. The CIA’s calling for this investigation is nothing more or less than the Agency defending itself, proving out the oft-repeated warning that one scapegoats the CIA at their mortal peril.

The White House has denied the allegation, and promises a full investigation. A great many people find it laughable to believe this White House is capable of investigating itself, and are demanding an independent investigation. A quick look at the White House telephone logs will reveal who called whom, and when. If this administration fails to hand those logs over, they will stand in taint of high treason.

J’accuse, Mr. Rove. J’accuse.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:35 PM
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1. Uh...
Don't use the phrase "relieved himself."
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:26 PM
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42. Will, my advice
Place a little more focus on the WP story that came out over the weekend and today. Namely, that a "Senior Administration Official" is behind the scenes fingering not one, BUT TWO, "Top Level White House Officials," who 'cold-called' six separate journalists. We already know about Rove and Time Magazine. In effect, we have a new deep throat in the White House.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:36 PM
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2. You hit the big one that most are ignoring
WHAT was exposed. Can't believe it is being ignored/not stated. I will print this up for closer read and give any feedback shortly. Thanks Will. :thumbsup:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:39 PM
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5. Off subject, but did you where you post on this subject has
gathered a lot of steam?
I am happy because it needs to be brought up to the fore. I watched the White House press briefing today (what they transmitted, anyway) and they are weasels!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:48 PM
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12. Sorry but
I am not sure what you are asking?

I havent yet heard or read much emphasis on the COMPROMISING of WMD intel, yet. But, some describing news coverage report that the fact has been uttered out loud.
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Squibbie Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:39 PM
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3. Novak will be on a
"Special edition" of Crossfire this afternoon - it was just announced.
Must see TV. One theory has it that Novak set this up to bring down some neocons. Will this be a bombshell or cold water from Novak. Only the Shadowy Prince knows.

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:39 PM
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4. More
It was "two White House officials." The "top administration official" was the one who yesterday told the story of six reporters, rather than just Novack and stated that the motivation was revenge and chilling other people who might speak out.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:40 PM
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6. Thanks
I got rid of the 'relieved' part, too.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:44 PM
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7. Picking other nits
Despite the prevalence of incorrectly used apostrophes, I think you do need one with WMD's. Should it be Ambassador Wilson, rather than Mr.? If you really want to use French :), it should be italicized.

Great piece. I'll be sending it to all my friends.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:45 PM
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8. Wilson just said on CSPAN
that his was one of three reports stating the yellowcake purchase was highly unlikely. I think that gives him more credibility and further indicts the administration for disregarding not one, but three intelligence reports that went against their campaign of threat inflation.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:46 PM
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9. Re:
"Mr. Rove has done this before, specifically using Robert Novak. Rove knows no ideology beyond power, and has no bones about using it to wreak havoc on anyone who gets in his crosshairs. "

You might want to sharpen that up a bit to clarify. I don't think you want to suggest that Rove has outed CIA officers before, but rather leaked embarrassing/damaging information as vengeance for those who have crossed the administration, using Novak as his conduit..

Also, do you want to bring into pattern, Rove having learned at the feet of Lee Atwater?

I'm glad you are writing this, Will. Good luck (and may this blow the lid off the corrupt Bushistas!)
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:47 PM
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10. You might acknowledge that Wilson has backed off his allegation
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 12:48 PM by Richardo
of Rove's personal involvement, but still asserts that the leak was certainly done with his knowledge, or that he did nothing to stop it.

Otherwise, very strong.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:09 PM
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27. Wilson said he "measured his words" before about Rove
in what I gather to mean he has the goods on Rove.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:48 PM
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11. Good article: Some editorial comments
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 12:51 PM by seventhson
I think that the LEAD on this story should be the bit on Plame's efforts to STOP TERRORISM and not the lead on Rove. You BUILD UP to a great conclusion with this info, but I think the Plame position should be the lead for two reasons:

1. I suspect that it was probably Rummie or Wolfowitz who knew that Plame was an agent. They may have vetted the "leak" through Rove -- but I do not think there is enough yet to nail Rove -- and hence your article may overemphasize something that will prove not to be true.

2.I also think that BUSH probably CLEARED the leak. Probably Cheney too. So the focus should be on BUSH NOT Rove -- after all - watergate got Nixon to resign because at least OBNE of his underlings would not fall on their sword for him and leaked the damning information. If this is so then Bush OUTED, a la Jonathan Pollard, our antiterrorist operatives for all terrorists to see, thereby HELPING the terrorists.

How Bush helped the Terrorists by OUTING PLAME - a chief antiterrorist operative - is the lead (not Rove).

I suspect Rove, Rummy, etc will fall on their swords for Bush.

But the question here is WHAT DID BUSH KNOW??? DID HE AUTHORIZE THE CALLS WHICH VIOLATED THE LAW??? WAS HE IN charge OF APPROVING THE LEAK?

Accusing Rove is fine with me but NAILING Bush for the crime is BETTER

Please accept my critique in good faith
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:49 PM
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13. THIS HAS BEEN EDITED, SEE ABOVE
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:50 PM
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14. Here's a question that must be asked
if it was Rove who leaked, WHO THE HELL GAVE HIM CLASSIFIED INFO like this.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:51 PM
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15. Oh my guess for who the second source is....
Scooter Libby.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:52 PM
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16. "Valerie Plame is out of work"?
I believe Plame, though outed, is still working for the CIA. It seems to be the CIA, likely Tenet himself (or so speculates TPM), that is pushing the investigation.

Otherwise, a great piece. Especially reminding us about the infamous "We will fuck him" quote.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:54 PM
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18. Got it
Thanks.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:04 PM
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25. She is still working for the CIA
but not in an undercover capacity obviously and I remember reading a few months ago that when an undercover op is outed their career is basically over. That is, the won't get promoted, etc.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:18 PM
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36. Does anyone know what her undercover role really was?
The weasal henchman Cliffold May at NRO claims that it was an open secret that Plame was an agent (thought he doesn't name who told him) but no one, I far as I can find, has described what her cover actually was.

http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200309291022.asp
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:52 PM
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17. nothing to add... cept, brilliant!
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 12:52 PM by bpilgrim
sorry ;->

i am glad you are exposing this other important detail about her task - tracking wmd trades - as not many are talking of this... yet ;->

and you managing to get in all the dirty deeds of what can be a complex story if not told 'correctly' :toast:

this will certainly put you on their 'list' if you ain't already on it :evilgrin:

:hi:

peace
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:56 PM
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19. It scratches only a little more depth on
the Esquire article than other current postings into the echo chamber.

But basically Okay, Okaaay, kaaay, kaaay, kaay, kay,




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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:58 PM
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20. Listen to democracynow.org segment on this today
If you didn't listen to this segment, I suggest you
do.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/29/152217

Also Andrea Mitchell was mentioned as one of the journalists
who was contacted by the White House.

Also Cheney went to the CIA multiple times and found
out that the weapons reporting would say there were none,
from someone investigating in Niger...
anyway this is in that segment

Will, this story may unravel faster than your info...
do you have time to postpone it a bit?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:15 PM
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32. wow, will's article makes an interesting exec summary of that conversation
practically...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/29/152217

thanks for sharing that :toast:

peace
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:00 PM
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21. I like it!!!
I just want to distribute it alongside photos of Bushistas in orange jumpsuits prior to election 2004! (a girl can dream, right?)
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:02 PM
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22. On background you may want to mention
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 01:05 PM by steviet_2003
that Rove cut his teeth in politics with donald segretti doing "dirty tricks" for nixon.

edited to add link from google: http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:04 PM
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23. Very nice overall...
I agree with comments about putting the WMD network front-and-center...and if by some chance it turns out not to be Rove??
Also, there's something odd going on with shifting of the terms used to designate sources - Josh was talking about this earlier.
Finally, the timing - this was a story that most of us were afraid was going to vanish - hell, it did vanish for all pracitical purposes. Why is it back? SO you might want to add dates.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:04 PM
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24. This is the best article I've seen. You've chronologically put it in
a very reader friendly way. Lee Atwater would be proud of that Shit Rove, I hope you are part of bringing his ass down. Kudos.
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:06 PM
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26. I was going to make the point that Ricardo did,
that in an interview with Josh Marshall, Wilson backed off blaming Rove specifically.

<snip>

WILSON: Yeah, and Karl Rove, when I said that, is sort of a metaphor for the White House political operation. And I--what I was saying in that was that I would do everything I could not to impede the investigation and try and help advance the investigation. Because after all, if there was somebody to--that was guilty of violation of a crime--it would be better to have them--and then I quoted Rove's name as a kind of a metaphor for the White House--"frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs" rather than just a sort of sterile exchange of he-said she-said newspaper articles and attacks.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/sept0304.html#092203920pm

about 4/5 of the way down the page
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:11 PM
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28. I want it to be Rove, I do, I do.....
because he's so insidious and all, but it seems to me after much thought that Rummy is involved. Rove, nor any WH flack for that matter, is not privy to the "list of operatives" working in the field.

However, Sec Def definitely IS.

Cheney's office would have access via the "office of Special Ops " set up by Rummy at his behest.

But channels all indicate that Rummy or his team MUST have been the conduit. Whether Rove then abused his position and we all believe he did and went to media with this is just the top snake ; take him out and you leave the nest of vipers behind.

Howard Dean's petition goes a long way towards ameliorating this.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:13 PM
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29. It could very easily have been Rove
Political considerations are paramount in this WH, and so Rove would be inside every aspect, including classified stuff. Ken O'Donnell, JFK's version of Rove, was privy to all the data about the Cuban Missile Crisis. It is far from unheard of.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:28 PM
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44. also he did it before with nofacts AND wilson mentions him by name...
"I don't think we're going to let this drop. At the end of the day, it's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me when I use that name, I measure my words."

...

RAY MCGOVERN: Amy, I would call attention to how ambassador Wilson ended up. He said, bear in mind, I measure my words. This leads me to believe that ambassador Wilson, being the consummate diplomat and the very experienced Washington hand, that he has his ducks in a row.

He measures his words carefully. At least one White House official now similarly outraged is speaking out, and I'm sure, I'm morally certain, that ambassador Wilson has the wherewithal to make this charge stick. Another time he used, measuring his words, when the story really broke here in Washington and appeared on the front page of The Times and The Post, he allowed himself to tell a "Washington Post" reporter that the whole Iraq seeking uranium from Niger, Kenard, begs the questions, in Joe's words, "begs the question as to what else they're lying about." Now, diplomats usually don't talk about people lying, still less the president of the United States lying, and that threw the gantlet down. That's beyond the pale, and that's when Karl Rove decided, we need to do something], not so much to teach Joe a lesson, he's beyond repair, but we need to warn people, other people, who know how this whole war was predicated and how the intelligence was cooked. We need to dissuade them. We need to tell them, look, we can go after not only you, but those near and dear to you, and we'll think up something. So be deterred, folks, be deterred.


...


AMY GOODMAN: And that was Joseph Wilson speaking on August 21 in Washington state. Does a felon, Rove, the White House, it's an interesting question. And with the first leaking of the name of Valerie Plame to a reporter by a "White House official" to Robert Novak, if it is Karl Rove, it is not the first time he and Novak have worked together and it's gotten Rove in trouble. According to an article by Ron Suskin in "Esquire" January 2003, "sources close to the former president, George H.W. Bush, say Rove was fired from the 1992 bush presidential campaign after he planted a negative story with columnist Robert Novak about dissatisfaction with campaign fundraising chief and Bush loyalist, Robert Mosbacher Jr. It was smoked out, and he was … ousted." The difference now is that this is a felony. Ray McGovern?

more...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/29/152217

but it could be BOTH of them i suppose since it has been reported that TWO people alerted 6 media members.

:shrug:

peace
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:36 PM
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50. could have been rove
and Wilson suggests (at one place) Rove - but I don't think he has gone on record with it. In two places you write as if Wilson has pointed the finger at Rove. Be very careful with how you word that.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:46 PM
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55. wilson has gone on record about his suspicions... QUOTE
My own sense is that -- and I've told the F.B.I. this, that should they decide to undertake an investigation, that I want to talk with them to see how I can best support the investigation, not do anything to impede it, and I think I do have a vote in this since congress has basically said, we'll do anything we can to support you, and the question is whether or not having Chuck Schumer and Hillary and others go forward and talk about this openly, Dick Durbin, impedes or helps the investigation down the road. But we'll see. I don't think we're going to let this drop. At the end of the day, it's of keen interest to me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs. And trust me when I use that name, I measure my words.

AMY GOODMAN: And that was Joseph Wilson speaking on August 21 in Washington state.

more...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/29/152217

peace
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:14 PM
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30. Is her name PLAME or PALME?
Not to be a nitpicker, but if Rove is going to out somebody, at least get it right. Gee. Is it "PLAME" or "PALME?" If the latter, every 00 named Plame is certainly steamed right about now.

BTW: Great article, Will! You keep getting better and better and better!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:16 PM
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34. Google says 'Plame'
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:14 PM
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31. Two minor nits
1. Reword this statement (since she WAS outed, not alledgedly):

"The wife of a former ambassador named Joseph Wilson was ‘outed’ as an active CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak, purportedly by this White House in an act of political revenge."

2. Add at the end something like "can we really expect the Ashcroft DOJ to fully investigate this matter, or simply whitewash it as they've done everything else"
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:17 PM
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35. The 'alleged' deals with the 'political revenge' accusation
and so it must stay.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:38 PM
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52. Agreed
Just reading it differently - the way it's phrased it sounds like Novak allegedly outed her, rather then the alleged reason and culprit for outing her.
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Cappurr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:16 PM
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33. You might want to mention that six other journalists
(still unnamed...but Andrea Mitchell name has been mentioned multiple times) were also contacted by two WH officials, but declined to run with the story.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:21 PM
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37. Now there are the names of Mary Matalin and Cliff May....
Of course, Mary Matalin - spouse of James Carville - and longtime right-wing adviser, is being mentioned as connected in some way. Her picture on the Drudge Report.

And Cliff May, former Asst Communications director in the Bush Sr WH, mentioned by name on the Rush Limbaugh radio show. He was also a former fill-in talk radio host in Denver, and perhaps other markets? He's an occasional guest on Crossfire and other shows that need a political operative...
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:21 PM
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38. You beat me to the punch....
This situation is a direct threat to our national security and needs to be framed as such....
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:21 PM
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39. Howsabout this?
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 01:27 PM by party_line
*Almost* as much of a concern to me as what the WH appears to have done, is that Condi- the NSA- doesn't seem to be concerned about it at all. She even said on one of the appearences yesterday that she couldn't "recall" it even being discussed in any WH meetings.

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:22 PM
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40. MATALIN getting the finger (pointing that is) from Drudge Report?
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 01:28 PM by LittleApple81
Another thread in DU said that Druge has posted Matalin's picture close to the article on the Wilson story?
I don't know if this means anything... but sounds interesting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=431172
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:32 PM
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45. Is that Carville's wife?
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:32 PM
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46. yes!!!!!
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Evil_Dewers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:22 PM
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41. Two senior White House officials
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 01:35 PM by Evil_Dewers
As it turns out, two “White House officials” called six different journalists and informed them of Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA agent, according to an anonymous administration official quoted by the Washington Post.


Make sure you call them two senior White House officials. I don't want two low level flunkies to end up taking the fall for this--do you?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml

*snip*

Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report. The CIA says its counter-proliferation officials selected Wilson and asked his wife to contact him. "I will not answer any question about my wife," Wilson told me.

*snip*

Notice in this context that NoFacts does not state the senior administration officials told him Plame was a CIA operative. But if they didn't inform him, who did?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:28 PM
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43. Wilson likened it to Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames
Just in case you want to lay out Wilson's view of the level of damage done by exposing an undercover operative in such a position.


Source: Dave Corn in The Nation, quoting Wilson:
Without acknowledging whether she is a deep-cover CIA employee, Wilson says, "Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire career. This is the stuff of Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames."
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:32 PM
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47. THANK YOU EVERYONE!!! BUNCHA REVISIONS BELOW
You all FUCKING ROCK.

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"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."

- George Herbert Walker Bush, 1999

Karl Rove, senior political advisor to George W. Bush, is a very powerful man. That is not to say he has never been in trouble. Rove was fired from the 1992 Bush Sr. campaign for trashing Robert Mosbacher, Jr., who was the chief fundraiser for the campaign and an avowed Bush loyalist. Rove accomplished this trashing of Mosbacher by planting a negative story with columnist Bob Novak. The campaign figured out that Karl had done the dirty deed, and he was given his walking papers.

Demonstrably, Rove is back in the saddle again. The January 2003 edition of Esquire magazine carried an article by Ron Suskind which quoted comments from John DiIulio, a domestic policy advisor to the White House who had just retired from his post. On October 24, DiIulio had sent a letter to Suskind describing what he had seen while working for the Bush administration. The meat of the letter described an administration far, far more interested in raw political triangulation and ruthless spin than in actual policy and government functionality. Some excerpts from DiIulio’s letter:

“Some are inclined to blame the high political-to-policy ratios of this administration on Karl Rove...some staff members, senior and junior, are awed and cowed by Karl's real or perceived powers. They self-censor lots for fear of upsetting him, and, in turn, few of the president's top people routinely tell the president what they really think if they think that Karl will be brought up short in the bargain. Karl is enormously powerful, maybe the single most powerful person in the modern, post-Hoover era ever to occupy a political advisor post near the Oval Office."

Even a casual political observer would have trouble missing the fact that this is one of the sharpest political outfits ever to reside in the Oval Office. Bush’s team is a unified wall, cemented to their message-of-the-day, and they have done very well for themselves because of this. All of this can be laid at the feet of Karl Rove, the senior political advisor to George W. Bush. According to DiIulio, the preeminence of political considerations within this administration is so complete that any and all policy considerations or contemplation of actual issues are not so much in the back seat as they are in the trunk below the spare tire and the jack. This, again, can be laid at the feet of Mr. Rove.

All of Washington and the country has been buzzing for the last few days over a report that the CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate the White House regarding a matter of important national security. The wife of a former ambassador named Joseph Wilson, it has been alleged, was ‘outed’ as an active CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak by this White House in an act of political revenge.

Joseph Wilson was the man dispatched to Niger in February of 2002 by the CIA, after Vice President Dick Cheney asked CIA to figure out whether there was any substance to the charge that Iraq was attempting to procure uranium “yellow cake” from that nation for the purpose of starting a nuclear weapons program. Ambassador Wilson went, investigated, and returned eight days later to state flatly that the evidence was garbage. He has claimed since that his analysis was one of three intelligence reports debunking the Niger story. Ambassador Wilson told this to Cheney’s office, the CIA, the State Department, and the National Security Council. Despite the fact that Wilson made it clear that these allegations were untrue – it was revealed that the ‘evidence’ to support the Niger uranium charge was a pile of crudely forged documents – George W. Bush used the Niger uranium evidence dramatically in his 2003 State of the Union address.

In July, Ambassador Wilson went very public, criticizing the White House for using evidence to support war that they knew was patently false. One week later, Robert Novak reported that Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, was an active CIA operative. As it turns out, two senior White House officials cold-called six different journalists and informed them of Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA agent, according to an anonymous administration official quoted by the Washington Post. None of the journalists ran the story. That same administration official was quoted about these revelations as saying, “Clearly, it was meant purely and simply for revenge.” Joseph Wilson likewise charges that this act was done as an act of revenge for his vocal criticism of George W. Bush and the administration’s actions leading up to the Iraq war. Specifically, he views Karl Rove as being possibly involved in, or at least condoning, the cutting down of his wife.

The facts of this story are singularly grotesque. Taken at the top layer, you have a White House that appears perfectly willing to go after the family members of its critics. Valerie Plame’s career is destroyed, period. The act itself displays a level of viciousness that is dangerous to the functioning of this, or any, democracy.

Peel the second layer and you discover the rank illegality of it all. Section 421 of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 reads as follows:

“Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”

The third layer is where the darkness truly lurks, and where the deadly importance of this situation lies. Valerie Plame was not simply an analyst or a data cruncher. She was running a network dedicated to locating and stopping any person or nation that might try to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorists. That sentence deserves to be written twice. She was running a network dedicated to locating and stopping any person or nation that might try to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

The Bush administration pushed very hard the idea that America is in danger from WMDs being placed into the hands of terrorists. This was one of the central arguments behind the war in Iraq. Yet in order to protect Bush’s political standing, a couple of “administration officials” blew Valerie Plame, and by proxy her network, completely out of the water in an attempt to shut her husband up. In short, in order to protect Bush from the ramifications of using fake evidence to support his war, this White House destroyed an intelligence network that was protecting us from the threat posed by chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons.

We are less safe now that Valerie Plame is no longer performing this vital task, and the members of her network are in mortal danger of being revealed and destroyed. Beyond that, we are facing a level of hypocrisy that shatters any and all previously known boundaries. This administration ginned up a war in Iraq based upon manufactured evidence and wildly overstated threats, all of which was painted over with rhetoric about defending the country from terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. The fate of Valerie Plame, and her network, shows without doubt that the moral standing of this administration is as empty as Saddam Hussein’s WMD cache.

In Ambassador Wilson’s words, "Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire career. This is the stuff of Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames."

Mr. Rove has done this kind of thing before, specifically using Robert Novak to cut down Mosbacher. Rove knows no ideology beyond power, and has no bones about using it to wreak havoc on anyone who gets in his crosshairs. The Esquire article about DiIulio finds him recounting a singular Rove moment, as he overheard a conversation happening in another room: “Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. ‘We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!’"

Guess who was doing the cursing and threatening.

One last bit of inside baseball. When the Niger scandal erupted, the Bush administration went out of its way to blame the CIA for the mess, despite the fact that the CIA, along with the entire intelligence community, had been cut out of the loop by Don Rumsfeld’s Office of Special Plans. The OSP, and its pet Iraqi Ahmad Chalabi, became the source for all of the information regarding Iraq’s weapons capabilities, and a number of intelligence insiders have publicly blamed that group for the preponderance of highly erroneous data about Iraq. For the Bush administration to completely usurp the CIA by depending solely on data manufactured by the Office of Special Plans, and then to turn around and blame CIA when the OSPs data did not turn out to be true, is as insane as it is laughable. Yet this is what they have done. The CIA’s calling for this investigation is nothing more or less than the Agency defending itself, proving out the oft-repeated warning that one scapegoats the CIA at their mortal peril.

Also, the fact that this data came to the Washington post from a White House official means that another Deep Throat may have just been born.

The White House has denied the allegation, and promises a full investigation. A great many people find it laughable to believe this White House is capable of investigating itself, and are demanding an independent investigation. A quick look at the White House telephone logs will reveal who called whom, and when. It may well be the case that Rove was not involved; there are several administration officials – Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rice, Card – along with a constellation of administration associates and media mouthpieces, who had a vested interest in shutting Ambassador Wilson’s mouth. The White House phone logs will be revelatory. If this administration fails to hand those logs over, they will stand in taint of high treason.

J’accuse.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:56 PM
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57. you might wanna work Ray MCGOVERN in there since he uses that title and
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 01:56 PM by bpilgrim
he has been quoted on NPR this year as saying that 'the office of special plans is a CLEAR and PRESENT danger to the american people'

"I. called those who expose the names of intelligence sources are, "the most insidious of traitors." It looks like we have at least two right there in the White House."

more...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/29/152217

:shrug:

peace
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:11 PM
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60. the part with "alleged" still doesn't read right
You know...this part..."The wife of a former ambassador named Joseph Wilson, it has been alleged, was ‘outed’ as an active CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak by this White House in an act of political revenge."

Maybe something like this...

It has been alleged that the White House, in an act of political revenge, outed the wife of former ambassador Joseph Wilson as an active CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak.

???

DV



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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:23 PM
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62. A couple more little things.
The j'accuse at the end doesn't make as much sense without a single person's name attached to it.

You also use laughable a couple of times in really close proximity toward the end:

"For the Bush administration to completely usurp the CIA by depending solely on data manufactured by the Office of Special Plans, and then to turn around and blame CIA when the OSPs data did not turn out to be true, is as insane as it is laughable."

And then only 4 or 5 sentences later...

"A great many people find it laughable to believe this White House is capable of investigating itself, and are demanding an independent investigation."

Pet peeve of mine and just thought you might want to change one of them.

DV
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:33 PM
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48. A couple of things
has Wilson ever directly said Rove was responsible? I have been looking for that and hadn't found it save for implication in the "frog stepping" comment. You state it as fact (that he claims and blames Rove) - if he has on the record - let it stand. If not - just use the quote that infers he believes this.

Second - when you peel away the insidious part - re: compromising WMDs work - two things: I knew her group tracked flow - do you have confirmation that their goal was to 'stop' the flow - if so BOOM! WOW! Otherwise be careful of the wording. The other thing... you miss a place for a home run. You hit at their lack of morals... but then miss... Condi's claims that essentially they are letting the DOJ look into it - says that they have known... FOR MONTHS that this vital intel was compromised - and are stating that they didn't look into WHO compromised it - or assess what kind of damage this loss of intel/operation presents to their "War on Terrorism?"

Just my two cents.

I was bitching about this being missed in the items yesterday - you have done a fabulous job hitting on it and SO much more. Kudos!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:37 PM
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51. Can 'tracking' be defined as 'locating and stopping'?
One must track to locate and stop, yes? Lemme know if that flies. I'll find a place to work the other part in. I've already dulled the Rove angle. Thanks!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:44 PM
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53. Not the same
my impression is that she was in industry - and through that followed the flow of WMDs. Information gathering. We have no idea how it was used. THe other implies direct action (sort of bond stuff, or dirty tricks stuff). My bet would be a separate arm of the organization does this.

The way around it - 'an operation to gather intelligence on the flow which could be used to prevent those WMDs from getting into terrorists hands.'
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:45 PM
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54. Thanks
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:58 PM
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58. anytime
am glad you are pushing this angle. Again, excellent piece.
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:34 PM
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49. If this story is true, I want someone to go to prison.
I wouldn't mind seeing Rove doing the perp walk from 1600 Penn. to the waiting squad car.

This is unreal. What a bunch of thugs.
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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:53 PM
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56. Karl was not 'authorized' to know ID's ! Who was ?
Who in the WH would have the authority to know the identity of CIA agents. Only Condi and the deserter himself ....

Karl ,or someone, had to get the identity (and what she did)from someone who was authorized to know.

The Novak angle is miniscule compared to a breach at the highest level.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:07 PM
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59. hee hee - I knew that quote would come in handy
good work, Mr. Pitt!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:23 PM
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61. You rock
:)
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Ress1 Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 02:41 PM
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63. It would be interesting
to know what Novak's past feelings have been about reporters protecting their sources. Seems like I remember GOP pundits condemning or at least showing some disdain for reporters who refuse to name their informants.
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