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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:16 PM
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Black Box Voting Book: It will be FREE OF CHARGE -- Available this Wed.
We know that some of those who are most at risk of being disenfranchised may not be able to afford a book. Because this issue requires all of America, not just those with credit cards, to take action, and because we designed this book as an activism tool, my publisher (David Allen of Plan Nine Publishing) and I decided that we will make the book available to everyone for free, in electronic version, beginning Wednesday Oct. 1.

There will also be a trade paperback version.

Vote-counting should be open. Programs used to count votes should be open source. The investigation which led to this book was also "open source," in that hundreds participated, right here at DU and all over the world. Therefore we feel it is especially appropriate to provide this book "open source."

Not only that, but we will encourage web sites all over the world to provide the PDF chapters for their visitors to download.

David Allen has a brief "open source license" that goes with the book, which includes very simple restrictions, like not allowing people to change the book, and not allowing people to sell it for money.

More is explained on http://www.blackboxvoting.com.
Also, you can find more details at http://www.buzzflash.com.

I thank you all for your wonderful dedication to this project, for your ideas, constructive criticism, and research.

Bev Harris
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:20 PM
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1. you rule bev!
n/t
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:22 PM
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2. hooray!
that is commendable to an inexpressible degree.

Now I am thinking of class projects where I can use it.


Cher
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:22 PM
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3. Bev, thank you
for your courage and your tireless work...and to you and your publisher for making the book available to those of us who are victims of BushCo's ever-improving (!) economy.
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:23 PM
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4. Anybody that can afford it
make sure and still purchase a copy. Bev and gang have put in some amazing hours doing the research and fighting the good fight.
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chadm Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:24 PM
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5. You have my vote
My thoughts and words are with you.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:29 PM
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6. I have your book and Michael Moore's new book on hold
at Joseph-Beth bookstore. I have several at the store fired up about your book. some good progressives there. Cute too.


I will download it and pass it on to my unemployed friends. The others will have to fork over for the book.

Let's do what we can to make this a best seller.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:33 PM
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7. Great headline at Buzzflash - once again, way to go Bev.
Great interview. Says it all and is clear and concise so that everyone can understand.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:42 PM
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8. You're a great American Role Model, Bev! n/t
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cayanne Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:11 PM
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9. Thanks Bev and David
Since I'm able to, I prefer to purchase several copies of your book to send to relatives and friends. How many copies I purchase will depend of their cost.

I appreciate all you and David have done, along with all the activists and posters here on DU. Without your committment, we'd still be in the dark about these vote stealing machines. :toast:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:16 PM
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10. How do we get it autographed?
I'm probably gonna buy paper.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:19 PM
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11. I'll get Bev to sign a box full <g>
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:47 PM
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38. I want a couple signed ones!!!
Two signed ones for me, and I'll buy a few from an indy book store. Deal? :)

I work across the street from the Cook County Illinois Clerk. I think I'll hand deliver one to the office for their reading pleasure. Maybe a signed one, "To the Cook County Clerk, Thanks from a resident of the county for the punch card verifiers that don't notice an UNDERVOTE on purpose in the Governor's race in the 2002 general election. Love Bev." LOL
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:25 PM
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12. Thank you for your work on this issue.
I know I'll be posting the applicable links on my site.

:yourock:
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:25 PM
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13. YOU ROCK, BEV!
Wish there were millions more with your courage!!!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:31 PM
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14. But Bev, how could you?!?
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 05:33 PM by stickdog
Considering that, according to your handful of persistent detractors, this whole topic was just a exercise in blatant self-promotion for your personal monetary gain?

While this should shut up the Die-hard-bold crew forever, somehow I doubt it will.

Luckily, most of us still recognize true patriotism when we finally behold it.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:34 PM
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31. I agree...
Some people will not be satisfied. But then, I doubt anything would satisfy them other than these machines everywhere.

David Allen
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:36 AM
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70. Yeah, what Stickdog said
I mean, I was told this personally by a black box voting "expert." :eyes: Now I KNOW he wouldn't lie to me. :eyes:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:34 PM
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15. You are amazing
and one heck of an American. Thank you. We will purchase your book, we were going to anyway, in hopes it will give you some money back for your effort and for your kindness in making it free for others. Thank you.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:35 PM
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16. So, will certain "DUers" apologize for accusing you of profiteering...
or will they remain silent on this?
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:43 PM
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19. hah!
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 05:45 PM by angka
no, i'm sure they will find some convoluted way to tie this into her nefarious scheme. it will probably be related to clinton-theme cigars.

"this is all just a publicity stunt!" a BBV-troll, 8/3/03
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:00 PM
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27. "silence" is not in their vocabulary....

but, the STs are, blissfully, on IGNORE now.

bravo Bev! (those who can, should BUY copies though...
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:37 PM
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17. oh my
So very noble of you! This decision speaks volumes about your character and intent. Guess your naysayer needs to find a new tape to play, eh?

Thank you again.
:bounce:
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:40 PM
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18. thanks, I will get the free one and buy one, too
A wonderful approach to getting the word out, Bev. Very nice.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:47 PM
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20. I will get one free and send one to the
SECRETARY OF STATE OF NM, who just signed on to ES&S macines. Maybe they can cancel the contract for non-performance according to specs.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:53 PM
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21. Consumer supported 'open source' publishing?
Buy if you like it? I LOVE IT! :evilgrin:

The new consumer alternative to corporate controlled media for the 21st century! :)

Thanks Bev, DemActivist and David for bringing this all together. :toast:
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:39 PM
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33. Not too different from what I was doing
in a way. The vast majority of the artists I work with (before I got all political <g>) are web cartoonists. They provide their comic free to the public and get paid via the dead tree editions of their work (which I publish for them).

So, to give them a plug, if you are tired of the boring comics in the newspaper, check out these very funny titles:

http://shop1.got.net/plan9/StoreFront.bok

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:57 PM
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22. Thank you Bev Harris for all the work you have done
You are a hero in our fight to keep our democracy and votes!

Sonia
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:58 PM
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23. Oh, I'll find the money to buy one.
Question, what is the most recent information (date?) included in the book?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:40 PM
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34. Geez, I'm guessing you'll see things right up to the emails
being found and some of their contents.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:59 PM
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24. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:22 PM
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28. thanks, and thanks for the post --
another of our unsung heroes, folks. There are many.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:41 PM
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36. I don't know if I'll make any money
on this book.

And I don't care.

<g>

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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MrGrippey Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 11:57 PM
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63. Thank you David!!!!
This REALLY rocks. I was thinking next spring for a book--THANK YOU for going OpenSource--that's incredibly unselfish of you!

If Ahn-nold's handlers don't kill my wife's job, I'll buy the book. ;-)

Ironic to use same model advocated for best solution to secret code in BBV.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:57 PM
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41. Hey Cool.... the memos are back up!!!!
:)

I wonder where .NU is... looks like eastern europe... best place for these memos...

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:35 PM
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45. There are many people in eastern Europe that are concerned
for our democracy.
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MrGrippey Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 11:49 PM
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62. And how do you tell me (us) where to look...
...without telling Dieblod where to do the next C&D?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:03 AM
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64. Dunno... try looking in the Indymedia.org newswire
http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3

There was a link above but it seems to have been deleted.... which is understandable I guess. We shall see whether linking to the Indymedia newswire is also against the rules...
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MrGrippey Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:31 AM
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66. Hmm...
Any way you could contact me?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 05:59 PM
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25. EXCELLANT!
this will spread the word MUCH QUICKER :toast:

peace
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:00 PM
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26. Thanks, Bev.
This is a terrific contribution from both you and David, and it helps take a little steam out of our opponents.

Everyone: Sign up for "election reform" on meetup if you haven't already!
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:26 PM
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29. Thank you Bev and David
I'm going to buy what I can. Have LOTS of people who need to read this. I think certain legislators, for one. Might be harder to ignore the book than an email.

I've been working on this issue since last October. And you were on it then. How many others know how long this grind has been? We have many people who put in many hours.

Hats off to you all!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :grouphug: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:38 PM
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32. October 1 cyber release works well for Election Reform Meet-Up
The next Election Reform Meet-Up is Wednesday, October 8 @ 7:00pm.

Sign up here: http://electionreform.meetup.com/

Keep in mind that the topic "Election Reform" has been available for a few months, but there wern't enough people signed up in most cities to meet. If we want to make the most of the Meet-Up vehicle to get the BBV story out, we may have to do more than just sign up.

Let's get the Meet-Up info on websites that talk about BBV.

I am sending the following e-mail out to all the Chicagoland groups I can find that are involved in voter registration and/or election reform. Feel free to edit as you wish if anyone wants to do the same.

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Subject: Election Reform Meet-Up Wednesday, October 8, 2003

I am writing to invite you to attend the next Election Reform Meet-Up which is scheduled for Wednesday, October 8, 2003 at 7:00pm. Meet-Up's are a relatively new vehicle for people with common interests to come together in person. You can learn more about Meet-Up's at www.MeetUp.com.

The agenda for this month's Election Reform Meet-Up is Black Box Voting. In case you are not familiar with Black Box Voting, here is a beginner's summary, written by Bev Harris, who has been a driving force in the investigation into the problems with electronic voting machines and political affiliations of owners of the companies who make them. Her website is www.blackboxvoting.com She has broken the issue into 4 categories, Secrecy, Ownership, Disabling the Safeguards and Secret Certification and Testing.

1. Secrecy: What has always been a transparent process, subjected to many eyes and belonging to all of us, has very recently become secretive and proprietary. This happened when voting systems, which should be considered part of the "public commons" were turned over to private companies. These companies now assert that the process underlying the vote must be held secret from the voters.

- No voter, no citizens group, not even any academic group of experts is allowed to examine a voting machine.

- Likewise, citizens, academics and voters are not allowed to examine the software that tells the computer how to count and tally the votes.

- In addition, the process of voter registration is now going to private, proprietary and secret software.

2. Ownership: When a system that belongs to the public becomes secret, it becomes doubly important to make sure we can completely trust those who run it. Because voting systems have recently become proprietary secrets, we began to ask whether we can trust those who run these companies.

- Voting machine companies are not required to tell us who owns them.

- Several voting machine companies have been as secretive about ownership as they are about their voting systems.

- Two of the top six firms have been foreign-owned: Election.com, owned by the Saudis until an acquisition by Accenture a few weeks ago, and Sequoia, now owned by DeLaRue (Great Britain) formerly owned by Jefferson Smurfit (Ireland).

- Three of the top six firms have owners and/or directors who represent vested interests:

--- Election Systems & Software, the largest company. Main owner is a company owned by Senator Chuck Hagel's campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy. Hagel has owned shares in both the voting company itself and in the parent company run by his campaign finance director, and Hagel was the CEO and Chairman of the voting machine company while it built the machines that counted his votes.

--- Diebold, the second largest voting machine company. CEO is Wally O'Dell, who recently visited George W. Bush at his Crawford ranch along with an elite group of Bush supporters called the "Rangers" (formerly called the "Pioneers") where they set strategy on how to help him win the next election. Days later, he penned a letter to Ohio Republicans promising to help "deliver the votes" for Bush. O'Dell sponsored a $600,000 fund raiser for Dick Cheney in July. Diebold director W.H. Timken is also a Bush Pioneer/Ranger

--- VoteHere, the company striving to get its cryptography software into all the other companies' machines (already has a contract with Sequoia), has as its Chairman a close Cheney supporter and member of the Defense Policy Board, Admiral Bill Owens. The SAIC, an "independent" firm doing an evaluation of Diebold security for the states of Maryland and Ohio, has Owens as it's Vice Chairman. Former CIA director Robert Gates, who heads the George Bush School of Business, is also a director.

- Voting companies also have a somewhat incestuous group of key players -- Todd Urosevich and Bob Urosevich founded ES&S, but Todd now is an executive with ES&S while Bob is president of Diebold Election Systems. Sequoia and ES&S share software and optical scan machines.

3. Disabling the safeguards: Voting systems have always had people trying to rig them, with varying degrees of success. Here is what has changed:

- The scale of potential vote-rigging has suddenly grown much bigger: Whereas it used to be that one had to run around bribing someone to shave the wheel on each lever machine, or collect up ballot boxes, stuff them in a trunk and do something dastardly, nowadays a programmer can, essentially invisibly, create a back door into the vote system for millions of votes at once. Whereas vote-rigging has always required physical access before, modems and wireless communications devices now open up possibilities for remote vote rigging that no one can observe.

- The audit trail is being taken away: An audit is simply the act of comparing two independent data sets that are supposed to match. Probably the most important understory to the voting issue right now is this: The voting industry is spending literally millions of dollars, and going through amazing feats of contorted logic that can best be described as marketing gymnastics, to convince us that we should discontinue proper auditing. The key words here are INDEPENDENT sources of data which should be compared. Instead, they want us to eliminate the ballot which you verify, and trust the secret system sold to us by manufacturers, without the ability to audit it using any independent means.

Even with the optical scan machines, which retain a paper ballot, states are now passing laws to prevent us from looking at the paper ballot to use it for a proper audit.

- Methods of access are changing: One key to election security is to reduce physical access to the votes. We've done this in various ways before; the typical attack point was always in the transfer of the votes from polling places to the county office. For this reason, the most secure paper ballot systems, in places like Canada, France, and Germany, require counting right there at the polling place. That also gives another security function: the "many eyes" method of security.

Computer technology can allow people to gain access using remote methods. Right now, you are reading this on the Internet. You have remote access to this forum. Imagine if the wrong people can gain remote access to view the votes as they come in. It would be much worse, if remote access allows them to write data into the vote system.

- Programmer access: One thing we've never had until we got electronic vote-counting (which includes touch screens and optical scan machines, and punch card tabulation as well), is software programming errors. A lever machine can be tampered with, but you don't have any software programming errors with it. Incorrect software programming has now been identified in at least 112 elections, often flipping the race to the wrong candidate, even when the election was not close.

No one knows how many elections have actually been misprogrammed, and as we remove the paper ballots, no one will ever know. We do know that incorrect programming producing errors as high as 25 percent is not uncommon, and software programming errors have been documented as high as 100 percent, and in one small Iowa county, a single machine miscounted by 3 million votes.

Incorrect software programming can take two forms: Accidental or deliberate. Either one takes away our right to have our vote counted as we cast it.

4. Secret certification and testing, which gives a passing grade to flaws -- The whole reason we are supposed to accept secret software and secret ownership is that, we're told, these systems go through extensive and rigorous certification and testing. However, this turns out not to be the case.

First of all, the certification officials refuse to say what tests they do, even when sent official questions by the California Task Force on Electronic Voting, which includes Dr. David Dill and other experts. We are told we cannot ask them any questions, and all questions must be asked of R. Doug Lewis.

Second, this person named R. Doug Lewis, who is unelected (no one quite know what his credentials are or who hired him) -- well he refuses to answer questions either.

Third, the testing that supposedly takes place at the state level quickly falls apart. It turns out that the states generally do not look at the secret programs at all; they simply ask some routine questions ("Can you vote more than once? How hard is it to set up?") and the states do a "Logic & Accuracy test" in which they set the machine to "test" mode, put in some test ballots, and if it counts right, they call it good. This will not detect fraud, and has proven to miss huge software programming errors quite often, but everybody feels good when they say "we do an L&A test and you, too, can watch."

- - - -

All other issues relating to the 2004 elections whither if the votes cast are not fairly and accurately counted.

Sign up for the October 8 Election Reform Meet-Up and vote for the location at: http://electionreform.meetup.com/

If you cannot or prefer not to register with Meet-Up.com you can contact me to RSVP and for the chosen location.

name
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:28 PM
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30. Can't wait to read it
At long last.
;-)

Eloriel
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:41 PM
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35. Got a banner?
I'll put up a banner on a couple of my web sites if you've got one. 60 x 468 would be best.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:49 PM
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39. Aaaaargh...
This is a GREAT idea, but I am swamped now. Anybody want to volunteer one for us? <s>

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:43 PM
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37. that is soooo right on!
:yourock: :-):hi::toast::hi::-)
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 06:53 PM
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40. Thank you, Bev.
Thank you, Bev. I'll download a few days after release to avoid the server load. And you have my word, within two months of getting a job, I'll purchase the paperback edition.

Your work is valuable. Again, thank you very much
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:03 PM
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42. Absolutely not
I am by no means rich but I insist on paying for it, or donating to the cause at least.
Good work must be rewarded.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:05 PM
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43. Best news for a week!!!! Way to go Bev.....
Dear Bev,

This is a very impressive and gracious thing you are doing.

I am extremely proud to have been able to assist you a wee bit over the past few months... And I can't wait to read it... roll on Wednesday!

alastair
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MrGrippey Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 11:45 PM
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60. Athecat--you did GREAT
Thanks for putting up content (& fight)
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Carmerian Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:17 PM
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44. Thanks, and a question
Bev and plan9_pub, thank you very much for this! Releasing it like this will insure maximum dissemination of the material.

I have a question : what license is the book being released under - a Creative Commons license, or one tailored just to this work? In my opinion you should consider using one of the Creative Commons licenses, which explicitly allow you the author to retain copyright to the work, while also allowing it to be shared as widely as possible. If Diebold will go as far as using the DMCA to shut down blackboxvoting.org, then I think they'd be low enough to harrass those who copy this book as "pirates". I think using a CC license would help stop that from happening, and would also be a big boost to the whole CC concept. Granted, you guys could write you own license that would do the same thing, but it seems to me that the CC licenses might be safer, since they have the legal knowledge of Lawrence Lessig behind them.

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:11 PM
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48. Thanks for the suggestion.
I was trying to keep the license simple, but I'll read it over.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
1237 Elon Place
High Point, NC 27263
http://www.plan9.org
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:33 PM
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50. Also, there is a great advantage to diffusion on this
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 10:12 PM by BevHarris
Everyone join in and take a copy and, in the event that Diebold or any other company objects, force them to file 10,000 individual lawsuits against broke people for the terrible infraction of reading how our vote is being counted.

Bev

Edited because I'm too tired to post sensibly.



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TinfoilHatProgrammer Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:18 PM
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56. I wouldn't worry
I'm sure if there's anything lawsuit-worthy in the book they'll just sue the author, not the readers.

JC
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Carmerian Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 11:48 PM
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61. They're actually pretty straightforward
Unfortunately the CC website isn't laid out as well as it ought to be, and makes the whole idea seem more complicated than it really is.

Say you want a license that requires a) others to give you attribution for your work, b) be used for non-commercial purposes, and c) forbid modification to it. If you go to this page and select your options, you get a nice human-readable form to put in the front of the book, and this pre-packaged legalese to go with it, maybe at the end.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:37 PM
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46. True patriots are rare in this country
but we have two of them right here. I will be downloading to get an advance copy, but I plan on buying several. This is great that you are coming out now. The meet-ups start next week and we can use all the help we can get.

:kick:
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:13 PM
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49. I am looking forward to the meet-up
I've never been to one before.

Thanks for the kind sentiment.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 08:28 PM
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47. kick n/t
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TinfoilHatProgrammer Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:35 PM
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51. figures
The free copy I was promised really doesn't seem like such a great deal any more. :eyes:

JC
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:37 PM
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52. Heard you on KIRO today
Dave Ross show. Good job.

Thanks for all your work on this.
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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:37 PM
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53. You are amazing
patriots and human beings!

Thank you so much everyone involved in BBV! :loveya:
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:38 PM
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54. Bev, you are the greatest!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:49 PM
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55. Great idea Bev
Hey, if you have cable, the latest Bill Maher show (his last of the season) has Aaron McGruder, Michael Moore and Charles Barkley as guests..

Michael Moore went ON AND ON about DIEBOLD and the Voting machines.. I don't think he'd know much about it without the work you guys did, so now you're getting someone who has the Nation's ear involved as well..

I'm happy to offer my flash VOTEREVOLUTION absolutely free as well :)

No, really, this a wonderful thing you are doing -- a guy called Gutenberg once created "open source" like this, and it changed the world for ever :)

many thanks for the link on your site as well,

symbolman
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:43 PM
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58. How about offering voterevolution for Moore's site?
Symbolman,

Offer your voterevolution to Mike Moore for his site.

Jim Hightower got a site?

I know Palast does.

Molly Irvin?

Jeff Rense?

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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 11:29 PM
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59. And maybe
modify it slightly to include a direct link to the online BBV book, once the first chapters are up.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:22 PM
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57. Brilliant
Getting the word out through all these media is very valuable. Links work for some, others need printouts and either can or cannot make their own, book format is better for some. Printing out or linking to single chapters or smaller selections will be helpful in other situations.

Like many who have commented, I expect to avail myself of all.

And a special :bounce: for you and David for getting it right in terms of how information in the digital era can be distributed in ways that serve the broadest possible public and reflect the true costs of production and hopefully still provide the creative worker with a decent living. The prevailing model accomplishes none of these.
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MrGrippey Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:07 AM
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65. Bev, this is GREAT.
...I'm REALLY looking forward to the manual portion, and any concrete analysis and documented trail of the memos.

Is it in time for Oct 7? Yikes.
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4dog Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:58 AM
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67. I've placed my order for paper and will download too.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:19 AM
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68. kick.
x
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:32 AM
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69. You ROCK
Bev, et al.....thank you so much for all of your hard work in getting the word out. I, too, shall download for unemployed friends/family, and purchase a copy.

Jenn :bounce:
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:03 AM
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71. Thanks a million Bev!
What a nice gesture. My county just decided to buy a whole bunch of electronic voting machines...Im going to see that my boss (who is involved in the process) gets a copy. They need to know what they are getting all of us into.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:19 AM
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72. Will it be available for download?
I PDF version would be nice.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:43 AM
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73. Keep the Word Going
Kick!
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:55 AM
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74. That's the plan
PNG and PDF versions.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
1237 Elon Place
High Point, NC 27263
http://www.plan9.org
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Gordon25 Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:33 AM
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75. Kudos, Bev
And a kick back to page one where this belongs.
Gordon25
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:40 AM
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76. bev where can i make a donation to this cause?....i need snail mail addy
GREAT BIG :grouphug:

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 12:50 PM
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77. Thank You Bev
It's just in time for the recall election here in California. This is gonna be a wild ride...
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