The Conspiracy Is Real And It Must Be Stopped

[Syrinx]

Now tell me again why "conspiracy theories" are out of bounds? If
conspiracies don't exist, why are there federal laws against them, and
laws against them in every state?

There most definitlely is a conspiracy in place, ongoing, that is
transforming our country into a fascist oligarchy. The evidence is
undeniable. And the Bush family is at the epicenter of it.

Bush's grandfather was a buddy of Hitler. Bush's daddy murdered JFK.
That's the answer to the great mystery. No mystery at all. Why the
fuck was George H.W. Bush in Dallas that day. Hmm? Why can't he
recall where he was? Bullshit.

Why are the Bush's best buddies the bloodthirsty oil-barons of Saudi
Arabia -- Bandar Bush and all? Why were they buddies with Saddam
Hussein. With the Iranian clerics? Even with Osama Bin Laden?

The Bush family are cold-blooded murderers. And they will not rest until they have a stranglehold
on you and everyone and everything you hold dear. They are evil, and must be stopped.

Can they be stopped?

[alittlelark]

1. They can be stopped... the #'s are the issue

and the #'s are growing daily.

I hope for a positive result (I cannot pray).

[Syrinx]

2. I hope you are correct

But as they consolidate more power everyday, I'm more and more worried for my country, and for the world.

[undergroundpanther]

3. I agree

But I fear my biggest hopes are for insiders who has a change of heart may be our best hope now(hence Bush's paranoia over loyalty).Because the crowd control.bio weapons, the tracking devices and enconomic hardship and rampant sociopathy and the inability of people to have spaces to gather together,it will be so very hard to fight.Evventually as the porice of oil and everything else goes up alot of us will not have the money for gas to run around,and the layout of the suburbs have effectively made ANYWHERE too far to walk to.

Bad times indeed, It is a conspirasy .I just wish people who claim to be so open minded would think and listen to another perspective before they call someone else a fool in a tin foil beanie.

[Syrinx]

5. wow that's pretty deep

I'm hoping someone from the administration will speak out. Someone like Colin Powell. Though he's hurt his own credibility. And I used to like McCain, though he's shot his cred, as far as I'm concerned. But hopefully someone will speak before it's too late.

[rodeodance]

13. powell is enjoying his retirement and making speeches ($$)

[nashville_brook]

20. you are so correct in connecting suburbs and alienation

i've been thinking that Cindy's magic is that she has provided the opportunity for *gathering* which transcends politics. we hunger to gather. it's what makes The People strong...the ability for one plus one plus one to create something larger.

suburbs are evil places with no soul.

[Tuesday_Morning]

25. Where I live...

there's no city center. No natural place to gather. Even city hall is way off of main streets and surrounded by parking lots.

I wish our cities had plazas like in Europe and Mexico.

[Greyhound]

43. Consolidation and isolation, the only way to control millions of people...

Get them into the cities where they can be easily watched, and alienate them from one another, so no one can/will come to their aid when it's time to pack them off to their fate.
BTW the conspiracy goes back much further than WWII. :tinfoilhat:

[Wizard777]

4. I love stopping a good conspiracy!

Okay, your gonna hate me for this one. Bush Sr. actually has an alibi. Sr. was a new recruit at the CIA. He was on the phone with the FBI. He was reporting talk about shooting the President going on at the Young Republicans Club in Dallas when JFK was shot.

[windbreeze]

6. The only thing

I ever heard was that Sr. admitted being in Dallas that day....but..."did NOT remember what he was doing at the time"...I almost fell off my chair when I read that quote...because anyone who was alive that day...could never forget what they were doing....let alone be in Dallas, and not remember...
windbreeze

[Wizard777]

19. He probably didn't want his old buddies in the YRC to know.....

He snitched them out. It also doesn't look good on the Republicans. Espescially now when it's blatantly obvious that they are treasonous power mad blood thisty ghouls.

[Old and In the Way]

10. A new recruit?

He was CIA with his front Company, Zapata Oil. He was involved in Bay of Pigs (wonder how that colored his feelings about Kennedy?)....the supply ships were named "Houston" and "Barbara". He and Oswald shared the same address book of some guy who was offed just before he was to testify in front of the Warren Commission.

He called from the road on his way to Dallas....he fingered a guy who was running for the same seat he wanted in the Republican primary. There are pics of guy that looks a lot like a young GHW Bush slouching up beside the Dallas Police HQ right around the time suspects were being run in.

Search on posts by Octafish....lots of interesting coincidences with the Bush family and dark American history.

[Wizard777]

21. Where ever America has an enemy. A Bush is never far away.

Take it any way you want. But most are insistant that the real shooter was hiding in the bushes on the grassy knoll. I don't buy the one shooter one shot theory at all. There were 3 to 4 shots fired. I think there were multiple gunmen involved. Oswald, the man on the grassy knoll, a SS Agent, and a man in the storm drains. If your going to attempt to assasasinate the President. You wouldn't want to risk him surviving the attempt. I think Oswald was the designated fall guy.

[evermind]

11. Interesting ... what's your source for that?

The allegation, as I've heard it, is that there's a memo somewhere saying that a CIA officer reported to "George Bush of the CIA" about the activities of anti-Castro Cubans, on or around 22nd Nov '63. But it's always been denied that GHW Bush was working for the CIA at that point (I believe he denied he had worked for them before, at the time of his hearings when he was appointed head of the CIA in 1976 (was it?))

So as far as I know, an admission that he was working for the CIA in '63 would be big news. Could you please say where your information is coming from?

(Just for the record: personally, I don't think there's enough evidence either way to say what happened on that day - and linking GHWB to the assassination because of one memo, the names of two ships, and his address in De Mohrenschild's notebook is ... well, pretty tenuous, imho)

[Wizard777]

26. New investigations and the documentaries that resulted from them.

Basically Bush Sr. can be ruled out as being one of the shooters. But it doesn't rule out him being a coconspirator. It sounds like a typical Bush plan to me. You fellas shoot the President and I'll report it to the FBI. It's hard work. Real haaard work. You fellas have the easy part of shooting the President. I have to talk to the FBI. The old, You go out on the limb and I'll saw it off to keep it from being traced back to me.

[evermind]

31. Uh, I'm asking what the source is for Bush being in the CIA in '63

... do you have one? Is it just the old memo I refer to?

Can you name any of the investigators or documentaries?

[moof]

36. Right, an other then that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play ?

[Syrinx]

7. thanks whoever voted this for greatest!

Because I truly think this is the most important issue in the world! Love you, whoever you are!

[Beam Me Up]

8. Yep.

They will not stop until they ARE stopped. It is as simple as that.

The question is, who is going to do it?

I think waiting for a white night could be a deadly mistake.

there comes a time when the operation of the machine is so odious that you
cannot even tacitly participate. you've got to place your bodies on
the gears, the wheels, all the mechanism. you've got to indicate to
those who own it and those who run it, that unless you are free, the
machine will be prevented from working at all.

--Mario Savio

[Fridays Child]

9. Somewhere, between the most extreme theories and the most extreme denials

...lies the truth.

I've never seen evidence that Prescott Bush and Adolph Hitler were friends but there is unimpeachable evidence that Prescott profited from business deals his company made with the Nazi regime.

And, while it's possible George, Sr., shot Kennedy, it's certainly not an established fact. He was, in all likelihood, involved, though. His own words regarding that day betray him. He was probably a CIA operative, at the time, too, and I've seen the photo of someone, in Dallas on that day, who looks like him.

I also believe that George, Sr., was forced onto Reagan, as his running mate. I'm no apologist for Reagan. He was a John Birch-style nut case, but I don't think he picked George, Sr. Those who convinced Reagan to pick him, had, then, as their collective goal, to ride shotgun on global resources, just as the current Bush cabal is, now, doing. And, as we know, many of those who eventually served during the Bush I regime, now serve under Bush II.

From time to time, throughout the history of Western civilization, it seems that psychopathic family dynasties have risen up and tried to gain control of everything around them--the Borgias and the Fuggers come to mind. Now, the Bushes.

I agree with you. The Bushes and their loyal inner sanctum won't stop, either until they own the planet or until somebody stops them.

Edit: PS I've bookmarked and nominated this thread.

[loudsue]

12. The world needs to be purged of their kind.

And I'm not normally a "purging" kind of person. But evil is evil, and it only grows, unchecked. The booosh dynasty is a prime example. After the crimes committed by JUST this generation in power (Shrub, Neil & Jeb), they could spend generations in prison, if there were enough people in power to hold them to the law of the land.

:kick::kick::kick:

[vickitulsa]

22. I agree -- we can have a profound impact

but only if we do not yield to the temptation to do what others can very easily label "extreme." It's the extremism on the BushCon side that we are fighting. And if PR people like KR can get the public to think of us as irrational and radical, we will not be heard or seriously considered.

I worked in "Big Oil" for 33 years, including a stint on the construction of the TransAlaska Pipeline. As a highly skilled executive secretary who didn't want to be owned by any one operation, I often worked "temp," and usually for the topmost execs in the industry. Bechtel was my employer in AK. I know the "energy industry" (they would like to put the moniker "Big Oil" in the ground for good -- oops, an ironic twist of verbiage there ;)), and I know it from the inside and the top. Think about it: exec secs for CEOs, COOs, CFOs, Presidents and Veeps of major oil industry and related corporations are privy to the absolutely MOST secret plots going on in the penthouse office suites and meeting rooms (with full restaurant-equipped kitchens, chefs and waiters, and other servants as needed). I've picked up oil sheiks at the airport right here in Tulsa and in Dallas. I've taken minutes at meetings that would curl your hair -- and had them deliberately changed to reflect only the information fit for public airing. So much gets edited out, the minutes and memos amount to outright lies by the time they're done.

I've seen the most blatant abuse of "company funds" and expense accounts you can imagine. When a top oil exec says, "spare no expense," he means it quite literally.

I feel quite comfortable agreeing with the assertion that Zapata Oil was GHWB's front company. I know the ties between the Saudis and the Bushes go waay back and are very strong and mutually beneficial. From these two issues alone spring so much else that really ought to be brought out of the dark closets and exposed to the light and to public scrutiny.

I hope I'm not overestimating U.S. citizens in general when I say I believe they can understand all the complexities of these sorts of relationships among the powerful wealthy who use a "mission critical" industry to muscle their hold on everyone. Given a chance to hear a few basic truths and then ponder these interrelationships between political war-making and economic power for the rich, regular folks can put it all together and make sense of it.

Personally I have more hope now than I have in a long time because I see the things I have known ever since the early '70's FINALLY being brought to the attention of my fellow citizens.

Oh yes, there most certainly IS a conspiracy -- or better put, perhaps, a chain of conspiracies, most of which include the same cast of characters. A key family involved is the House of Bush, just as surely as is the House of Saud.

For a long time I've almost wished I did NOT know the things I do, because having such low status as I have, I'm not seriously heard when I try to tell people about what should scare them enough to make them ACT.

Sure am glad I found YOU guys! :bounce: :hi: :thumbsup:

[Tsiyu]

32. Interesting post

What are your theories, vickitulsa?

And welcome to DU :hi:

[vickitulsa]

39. The theory developing in my mind most recently revolves

around the inability of the Bush administration to lower the price of gasoline to consumers in the U.S.

I've been paying attention, and I've seen them trying; but so far nothing they've done has worked, and I don't foresee them having success in the future, either. The way I look at it, the hold that Big Oil has on the seats of power in the world depends heavily on the industry's capability to deliver low-cost fossil fuel end-products to customers. "Low-cost" is the key term, and gasoline the key product; these are the linchpins everything else hinges on, literally, in my view.

(I'm so surprised to be asked for my opinion on this that I'm trying hard to sort out my thoughts and express them clearly here, so please be patient with me. I'll edit this as much as I can, but regrettably I've never been good at being concise. :))

Let me put it this way. The Bush administration has demonstrably *failed* to either keep gasoline prices low to Americans OR to see ahead to what was coming and prepare the public for it. They didn't plan well to minimize the impact of rising fuel prices on us as individuals and on American businesses.

We've all seen what a p*ss-poor job this administration does of planning, after all. And I think their idea of "looking ahead" has circled solely around trying to accomplish all the changes in government that were on their agenda from Day One. As many have understood, the two wars this president has sent our troops to fight are also attempts to control oil and gas prices -- but that isn't working out for him either. Bush is a bust, simply put. I believe he will go down in history as one of the worst presidents if not THE worst president this country has had. I've been watching for the signs ever since the Supremes put him in the White House in 2000, and my beliefs about this are largely based on what I know about the business his family is in and the state of that industry worldwide.

I happen to believe there *was* some foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks; but I can't prove it, I just surmise it. Someone else mentioned W's responses when he was told at the elementary school of the first and then the second airliners' striking the WTC towers, and this was the sort of thing that spoke worlds to me. I thought about this again later and figured maybe he knew something was going to happen but was shocked by the scope of the attacks.

In his early months in office, I felt others in W's world were planning and executing the "plots," just as they'd done during his first campaign for president. Who knows exactly who it was? ... his father, Cheney, Rummy, Karl Rove and Condi, Karen Hughes -- it's hard to say for sure. But IMO most likely it was a core group all along which had "the agenda" as well as the conspiracies to implement it firmly in mind.

If W had been completely in on the conspiracies from the beginning, I think he wouldn't have said a lot of the things he said during his first campaign. I also think he was actually surprised that the "big boys" chose *him* to run for president in the first place.

But what I see happening now is the whole conspiratorial structure they've had so much success with unravelling right before their eyes, due in part to one huge factor -- those rising gas prices. Yes, the war is going badly, both the one "on terror" and the one in Iraq, and it's costing George in his approval rating. But the gas prices ... now THAT's something I believe is definitely turning most Americans against him and his oil-based cronies in the White House, and I don't see anything those bums can do about it but sit back and watch it happen. I'm not sure there's a damn thing he could have done to keep gas prices down, but I see him biting the dust in a big way nonetheless as they continue to climb.

That the war in Iraq is going so badly now is adding to the reasons people have to report they have no faith in George W. Bush's leadership abilities anymore. How they ever had any is beyond me, but it's also beside the point, I guess. Fact is, I think that finally they've recognized his continual mouthing of pablum platitudes is just that, and it no longer satisfies.

I've known that Europeans and some others have been paying up to ten times the amount Americans have had to pay for gas at the pump for many years. I have wondered how long cheap gas in the U.S. could last, because it has been clear for some time that the OPEC crude oil supply was no longer reliable. I couldn't see any way that the sensible restrictions placed on exploration and delivery systems for crude by American companies on U.S. land were going to allow for continued low prices for crude and for gasoline.

Prospects for foreign oil coming on the market are not all that much better. I worked in the '80's for a bright young man who owned Avalon Exploration, a small but vigorous and successful company whose clientele the boss was expanding to Russia even back then. But Gorbachev was the man in the Kremlin then, and Putin is a whole nuther creature. He's no dummy and I don't think he's entirely motivated by personal greed like Yeltsin was. It's very hard to say what's going to develop on that count, and the same can be said of crude reserves in China and elsewhere.

But any way they slice it, I don't think the industry can ever again extract and deliver cheap crude, and then refine it into gasoline and many other products such as home heating oil and even plastics, so that petroleum products remain inexpensive as they have been for a long time. And as best I can foresee that will bring about near-catastrophic changes in how virtually everything is done and what it costs to do it.

Am I making any sense here?

It's true that Russia and the other former Soviet states do have a lot of crude in the ground, most geologists believe. But since the dissolution of the USSR and the subsequent hurling of their economic systems into near-chaos (with the much-touted Russian mafia playing some key roles), these countries lack the skills bases and infrastructure to perform the exploration and test drilling necessary to establish their actual reserves and bring the product to market.

The USA Network presented a remarkable program not long ago called "Oil Storm," which offered up one possible scenario for rapid deterioration in the present crude oil delivery and refining system in the U.S., making us rely even more heavily upon crude from elsewhere and driving gas prices here up to eight dollars a gallon. It was so realistic I was surprised. Someone had done their research and talked to industry insiders, for sure!

But really, all it takes is common sense and a few salient facts to understand that there was simply NO WAY Americans could expect the outrageously low gas prices at the pump to continue indefinitely. I think it all boils down to that, and many unpleasant and disturbing eventualities follow logically from the changing situation.

Now it's finally happening. I think most of us realize gas prices are never going to be truly cheap again. My guess is they will nevermore drop below two dollars a gallon, and frankly even three bucks a gallon is still dirt cheap compared to what most of the industrialized world has been paying already for some time. What I think of as "The Crunch" is just beginning for real, and it's already having drastic results in many areas, business and personal.

And all this *without* even a hurricane and then a supertanker-chemical ship collision taking out drilling platforms and crude oil refining and delivery systems in the Louisiana coastal areas as occurred in the Oil Storm fiction to set it off. Should events such as those happen, the dramatic impact of The Crunch would escalate immeasurably and virtually overnight.

That's what is so disturbing for me to think about, too -- just how FAST the energy system we've depended on for decades can fold in on itself once a couple of major things take place to disrupt it. I feel the war in Iraq, like the one in Afghanistan before it, has proven truly disastrous from this point of view, not just for the Bush administration but for Americans and Westerners in general, and eventually probably for global citizens as well.

I think it's pretty easy to calculate the overall effect on corporations of every ilk, on commuters and vacationers, on the airline, shipping, and land transport industries, of sustained high costs of fossil fuel products.

And think for a moment about how much fuel is required for an occupation army of over 135,000 (acknowledged) troops in Iraq plus those in Afghanistan and other parts of the world.

What I can't do because I'm not an economist or financial whiz is predict the specifics. But generally The Crunch is going to hurt us all, and George W. Bush will have to accept the blame because it's happening on his watch and because he keeps promising what he cannot deliver.

Thanks for the welcome to DU. :hi: I sure am proud to see what's happening here!

[Beam Me Up]

37. "The Nazi/CIA/Saudi/al Qaeda Connection"

From dailykoss
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/21/03415/5722

snip:

This is from a Bartcop link to a speech Loftus gave in 2004 to commemorate the Holocaust. The speech was entitled "Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al Qaeda."

Bartcop linked to the most unsettling part of the speech -- the CIA had scrubbed its files so that its own officers were unable to find out the unpleasant facts of our sponsorship of the major Arab/Nazi organization.

This year a friend of mine from the CIA, named Bob Baer, wrote a very good book about Saudi Arabia and terrorism, it's called "Sleeping with the Devil." I read the book and I got about a third of the way through and I stopped. Bob was writing how when he worked for the CIA how bad the files were.
He said, for example, the files for the Muslim Brotherhood were almost nothing. There were just a few newspaper clippings. I called Bob up and said, "Bob, that's wrong. The CIA has enormous files on the Muslim Brotherhood, volumes of them. I know because I read them a quarter of a century ago." He said, "What do you mean?"

Here's how you can find all of the missing secrets about the Muslim Brotherhood -- and you can do this too. I said, "Bob, go to your computer and type in two words into the search part. Type the word "Vanna," V-a-n-n-a. He said, "Yeah." Type in "Nazi." Bob typed the two words in, and out came 30 to 40 articles from around the world. He read them and called me back and said, "Oh my God, what have we done?"

What I'm doing today is doing what I'm doing now: I'm educating a new generation in the CIA that the Muslim Brotherhood was a fascist organization that was hired by Western Intelligence that evolved over time into what we today know as al Qaeda.

Loftus lays out the unknown (even to CIA officers) history of the Muslim Brotherhood that explains a lot about our current problems with Mideast terrorism:

Here's how the story began. In the 1920's there was a young Egyptian named al Bana. And al Bana formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al Bana was a devout admirer of Adolph Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930's, al Bana and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence.
The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines. They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt.

When war broke out, the Muslim Brotherhood promised in writing that they would rise up and help General Rommell and make sure that no English or American soldier was left alive in Cairo or Alexandria.

The Muslim Brotherhood began to expand in scope and influence during World War II. They even had a Palestinian section headed by the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, one of the great bigots of all time. Here, too, was a man, the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was the Muslim Brotherhood representative for Palestine. These were undoubtedly Arab Nazis. The Grand Mufti, for example, went to Germany during the war and helped recruit an international SS division of Arab Nazis. They based it in Croatia and called it the "Handjar" Muslim Division, but it was to become the core of Hitler's new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arab peninsula from then on to Africa -- grand dreams.

At the end of World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood was wanted for war crimes. Their German intelligence handlers were captured in Cairo. The whole net was rolled up by the British Secret Service. Then a horrible thing happened.

Instead of prosecuting the Nazis -- the Muslim Brotherhood -- the British government hired them. They brought all the fugitive Nazi war criminals of Arab and Muslim descent into Egypt, and for three years they were trained on a special mission. The British Secret Service wanted to use the fascists of the Muslim Brotherhood to strike down the infant state of Israel in 1948. Only a few people in the Mossad know this, but many of the members of the Arab Armies and terrorist groups that tried to strangle the infant State of Israel were the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Britain was not alone. The French Intelligence service cooperated by releasing the Grand Mufti and smuggling him to Egypt, so all of the Arab Nazis came together. So, from 1945 to 1948, the British Secret Service protected every Arab Nazi they could, but they failed to quash the State of Israel.

What the British did then, they sold the Arab Nazis to the predecessor of what became the CIA. It may sound stupid; it may sound evil, but it did happen. The idea was that we were going to use the Arab Nazis in the Middle East as a counterweight to the Arab communists. Just as the Soviet Union was funding Arab communists, we would fund the Arab Nazis to fight against. And lots of secret classes took place. We kept the Muslim Brotherhood on our payroll.

"They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture"; sounds a lot like the curiously elusive Osama bin Laden.

Much more at link.

[Beam Me Up]

38. BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED

Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's
Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
by John Buchanan (Exclusive to the New Hampshire Gazette)
WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial
by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in
The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that
Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush,
served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative
for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926
until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush
and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according
to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to
conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz
Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s,
personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion
of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush
and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger
brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George
Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather,
continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for
nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

Much more:

http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis/

[jsamuel]

14. hahaha

sorry but I had to laugh...

Would there be any story bigger than JFK's assassin was actually George HW Bush?

[ooglymoogly]

30. hahahahahahah

true in a pre corporate take over media world.

[MikeNY]

34. Read up about Operation Zapata

There are quite a few people who have considered the possibility that George HW Bush was in fact involved in the assasination. He was almost certainly involved in Bay of Pigs and was a CIA agent in the 60's. The government denied he was CIA for a long time claiming it was some other guy named George Bush, until a Times article found this to be false.

If you have ever listened to the Nixon tapes whenever Kennedy is brought up during the Watergate discussions he starts talking about the "Texans" and then the tape goes dead every single time he makes those references...

Zapata is the key...

[BamaBecky]

15. kick

[Tsiyu]

16. They will be stopped the same way all evil is stopped

Evil cannot sustain itself.

Look at all the players in this administration: Each one had his and his family's own interests in mind when he or she signed on for the adventure. "Me. Me. Me. Mine. Mine. Mine."

You can't be a person who would commit the atrocities they've committed AND be a person who cares about others. It's every lizard for itself. Even now, they don't support each other.

They will eat their own.

[ananda]

17. hmm

I don't think GHWB actually shot JFK. That's not how wealthy power operatives work; they require a clearance, so to speak. But I would not be the least bit surprised if Bush and his connections were behind it.

Sue

[corkhead]

27. "I didn't actually kill anyone, I was just giving orders"...

[vickitulsa]

23. YES! They will. They do. I've seen it!

And when the pressure gets really strong, the scrutiny very close, and unwitting, uninitiated supporters begin to fall away with doubts, these types most definitely WILL look out for themselves and devil take the hindmost among them.

Does anyone think W truly "LIKES" the Prince? They may chuckle at how they've benefitted from their families' skulduggerous doings, but they probably don't feel truly close otherwise. For sure they are not likely to remain loyal to each other when the s**t hits the fan bigtime -- and (I believe) in the very near future.

But oh what a mess there will be to clean up when they're finally outted and ousted! Here within our shores, in Iraq and other countries, their corruption extends around the world. Lots of work to do just to sort out the ones to be punished in courtrooms and repair the damage to economic and political systems.

Definitely worth tackling though!

[Tesla]

18. G H W B was in New York the day of the WTC .

Wasn't he having lunch with a BinLaden?

[Tsiyu]

33. Yes, he was

Interesting factoid, eh?

Like the whole tragedy was some show for their amusement. It chills one to the bone to think these people are in charge.

[RandomKoolzip]

35. Actually, he was in DC.

In the Ritz-Carlton Hotel...with Bin-Laden's brother.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread35900/pg1

[kentuck]

24. There is a conspiracy to deceive and lie to the American people...

By Bush and the Republican Party....Does that count?

[rman]

29. and everyone else,

by other governments and the enablers of the emerging global corporate regime.

does that count to?

[mopinko]

28. ask general kevin byrnes

the only way for them to be stopped is for the good people in the cia, pentagon and armed services to refuse to continue to allow themselves to serve the interest of these evil people and say hell no.
and we need to get rid of theFUCKING CORPORATE OWNED BLACK BOX VOTING
till that happens, we the people are screwed.

[Syrinx]

40. and I forgot to mention Reagan

And that's pretty important.

Reagan was an extreme right-winger. The Bushes aren't about ideology necessarily. They are about profits and power.

It's so clear to me. I don't see how anyone can doubt it.

The Hinckley connections to the Bushes are just TOO much. If it was just ONE coincedence, that would be something. But in the grand scheme, come on! This family is making a giant CHUMP out of the American public, and we're just eating it up. Come on!

[Name removed]

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[EST]

42. I've read bits of this, here and there

One of the bits that make little real-world sense is the one you just pointed out, or actually the last part of it.
Assuming the barely foiled plot to assassinate Reagan is accurate, what prevented them from surreptitiously completing the job during RR's convalescence? With such intrepid planning and senior management, sloppy execution at the execution level seems a little absurd.
Point two-How did Gen. Hague play into this? He obviously assumed he was to take over at least the titular leadership of a large group and it was clear to the average knucklehead who was awake at all could see he got slapped down pretty hard. Why even kick Reagan loose? We know he was no great intellect, although he did excel in communicating and it has since proved true that he was played like a video game as he was needed on the national stage. He wasn't bright enough to get too far out of the script and, since the politics played at that level doesn't require any allegiance to any pony other than blind ambition, GHWB was free to continue the more important game of stud with his counterparts in other loci of the web.

I suppose the reward of actually being president of the US is a cool ego stroke but I'm sure public spiritedness has no real part in it; pawns just don't matter, much. I suspect, as with the Sicilian mafia, there is some broad code of ethics but I would also assume your Saudi buddy would gladly grab your gamepieces if you demonstrated any long-term weakness. After all, no true poker player has much interest in "funsies;" the whole idea being to cut your opponent's heart out and eat it.
There are several more inconsistencies I'd like to clear up, but, for now, can you help me with fitting these together? thanx