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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:16 AM
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:18 AM
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1. correlation does not prove causation
Point #2, stop watching cable news its crap
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:21 AM
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:24 AM
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6. Millions of Americans watch cable news.
What good would it do if WE stop watching it? It's the only way to understand why millions of our fellow citizens are still faithfully suppporting the White House. Do you really think alot of conservatives are staying up at night to watch Nightline?
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:05 AM
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25. I agree.
As distateful as it is we must know where the stories are going and how they are being spun.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:34 AM
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12. I guess you're one of those coincidence theorists?
Never any group of people working together on a common goal it's all just a coincidence...

I guess baseball owners didn't secretly cooperate in the '80s to keep free agent salaries down? Just a coincidence?

The fact that they were eventually charged with collusion should tell you that sometimes groups of people do conspire to achieve certain goals.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:19 AM
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2. Heard one on NPR this morning too
But I don't think it's any 'central control'. It's just the herd mentality striking again.

The media gets bored of this feel-good stuff rather quickly though, so I suspect this fad won't last long, for better or worse.

:shrug:

--Peter
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:21 AM
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3. About a week ago, the White House announced...
It was reported that the administration was going to be spinning the Iraq situation. There's a pattern here. After a few weeks of media scrutiny and criticism of Bush, Karl Rove gets his gang working full-time to "influence" the media. Works like a charm every time, too.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:52 AM
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20. yep, just like when the said they would hire Hollywood
for war propaganda, surprise suprise, a few months later Saddam is a mortal threat to America's existence as a free state.

Nope, it's just a coincidence.
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Zeke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:22 AM
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5. Also Observed...
Are several recent TV stories about bringing the troops home, about the trops getting "leave," with lotz O pictures of hugging and kissing guys & gals & the kids as daddy arrives home.

It's all very Ozzie & Harriett, and just as fake, perhaps more so.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:28 AM
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11. Bingo!
Seems to me that the Freepers and Dittoheads are quite content with the mere illusion of all things being well.

That is the main difference between us and them IMO. They will work only hard enough to achieve the illusion of all's well. We are willing hard enough to really achieve it.

Julie
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:09 AM
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27. No one really wants
to know what is going on over there, it is unimaginable. Funny how they show the goodbyes, the hellos but not the funerals and the caskets. It is bad form to only want to hear the "good" things and dangerous. I guess in their minds walking around feeling superior is all that matters, we are strong. Blah.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:26 AM
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7. Shutting down AlJezeera and AlArabia in Iraq
was a warning shot to western media. The BBC or an European source will be next. Mark my words.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:44 AM
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17. This was right around the time it happened too
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:26 AM
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8. also, there was a report released by congress
that said things in Iraq weren't as bad as the media made them out to be, and that it was the media's fault for only reporting the 'bad' things (a.k.a. news).

Sounds like the media is just trying to make their masters happy. :eyes:
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:27 AM
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9. I have an alternate theory as well
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 09:28 AM by wuushew
Although I don't have concrete figures the numbers of soliders KILLED is slighty down on a average daily basis. Macabre as it is, dead American G.I.'s is big news. Americans expect a certain percentage of Iraq releated news in their diet and the media is switching to alternate and less attention grabbing stories to fill the void.
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:28 AM
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10. something's up
Was it Bob Arnot who went on NBC to show the damage from the bombing of their office in Baghdad, and followed it up with "but there's lots of good stuff going on in Iraq"?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:36 AM
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13. I noticed that too, Pete
they're just so freaking obvious
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:38 AM
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14. They feel the need to circle the wagons. I wonder how they arrange it,
formally. There might be a network of discrete phone calls. Or they might just use email with a simple mailing list. Or each news channel constantly monitors what the others are doing, & if they're not in synch with the others, they quickly readjust, to get in synch.

It clearly can't be "coincidence," because stories like these are specific editorial viewpoints. They're not actual events, which all channels might report on in basically the same way.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:45 AM
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18. How they arrange
is very simple. They contact a few friendly journalists, invite them in for an off the record interview, tell them about how they feel the media has ignored the feel-good stories about the progress they made. Then they send some of their spokespeople (Rummy, Cheney, etc) to the cable talk shows to spread the same line. Then everyone knows that the WH is engaged in a campaign to spread the feel-good news. The conservatives fall into line because that's what they do, and the rest of the media repeats their story in the interests of telling both sides of the story
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:43 AM
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15. FLOCKING
can explain it BUT is that flocking behavior being manipulated?

sure... and it has been for decades though we/they are certainly more adept at it today.

the real question is how can we exploit it?

feed the press ie BBV, will pitt, email, write, call, tell your friends co-workers and neighbors etc... let them know that weTHEpoeple are paying attention ;->

psst... pass the word :hi:

peace
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:41 AM
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16. On the corporate media

Gore has shared their frustration. In an interview last December with the New York Observer, he described the conservative outlets as a “fifth column” within the media ranks that injects “daily Republican talking points into the definition of what's objective.”

“The media is kind of weird these days on politics, and there are some major institutional voices that are, truthfully speaking, part and parcel of the Republican Party,” Gore said. “Fox News Network, The Washington Times , Rush Limbaugh — there’s a bunch of them, and some of them are financed by wealthy ultra-conservative billionaires who make political deals with Republican administrations and the rest of the media.”
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,459345,00.html
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=6665

The Internet might soon be the last place where open dialogue occurs. One of the most dangerous things that has happened in the past few years is the deregulation of media ownership rules that began in 1996. Michael Powell and the Bush FCC are continuing that assault today (see the June 2nd ruling).

The danger of relaxing media ownership rules became clear to me when I saw what happened with the Dixie Chicks. But there’s an even bigger danger in the future, on the Internet. The FCC recently ruled that cable and phone based broadband providers be classified as information rather than telecommunications services. This is the first step in a process that could allow Internet providers to arbitrarily limit the content that users can access. The phone and cable industries could have the power to discriminate against content that they don’t control or-- even worse-- simply don’t like.

The media conglomerates now dominate almost half of the markets around the country, meaning Americans get less independent and frequently less dependable news, views and information. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson spoke of the fear that economic power would one day try to seize political power. No consolidated economic power has more opportunity to do this than the consolidated power of media

Posted by Howard Dean at 06:31 PM
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000683.html

Amanpour: CNN practiced self-censorship
CNN's top war correspondent, Christiane Amanpour, says that the press muzzled itself during the Iraq war. And, she says CNN "was intimidated" by the Bush administration and Fox News, which "put a climate of fear and self-censorship."

As criticism of the war and its aftermath intensifies, Amanpour joins a chorus of journalists and pundits who charge that the media largely toed the Bush administrationline in covering the war and, by doing so, failed to aggressively question the motives behind the invasion.

On last week's Topic A With Tina Brown on CNBC, Brown, the former Talk magazine editor, asked comedian Al Franken, former Pentagon spokeswoman Torie Clarke and Amanpour if "we in the media, as much as in the administration, drank the Kool-Aid when it came to the war."

Said Amanpour: "I think the press was muzzled, and I think the press self-muzzled. I'm sorry to say, but certainly television and, perhaps, to a certain extent, my station was intimidated by the administration and its foot soldiers at Fox News. And it did, in fact, put a climate of fear and self-censorship, in my view, in terms of the kind of broadcast work we did."

Brown then asked Amanpour if there was any story during the war that she couldn't report.

"It's not a question of couldn't do it, it's a question of tone," Amanpour said. "It's a question of being rigorous. It's really a question of really asking the questions. All of the entire body politic in my view, whether it's the administration, the intelligence, the journalists, whoever, did not ask enough questions, for instance, about weapons of mass destruction. I mean, it looks like this was disinformation at the highest levels."

Clarke called the disinformation charge "categorically untrue" and added, "In my experience, a little over two years at the Pentagon, I never saw them (the media) holding back. I saw them reporting the good, the bad and the in between."

Fox News spokeswoman Irena Briganti said of Amanpour's comments: "Given the choice, it's better to be viewed as a foot soldier for Bush than a spokeswoman for al-Qaeda."

CNN had no comment.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/mediamix/2003-09-14-media-mix_x.htm

Why Isn't Randi Rhodes Syndicated? The Dilemma of a Liberal Talk Show Host.

RHODES: Oh, I am so glad you asked. I am a ratings and revenue queen. Number 1 or 2 in the ratings usually. So what are the “mainstream” talking about? Well, they say Liberals don't make money because no one wants to hear them. Okay, let's think.

First, remember that more Americans are registered or identify themselves as Democrats than Republicans. So here's the dirty little secret of news talk. There are advertisers making huge “buys” on really low rated shows that air nationally. If advertisers only go where the listeners are why do they buy cable news, Oliver North, or Rush Limbaugh who has horrible ratings?

They are buying CONTROL of CONTENT. It's leverage, whether it's radio, cable or network. They control millions of dollars of any company's revenue source. So that if something is said or done to disrupt their global business, they take their advertising elsewhere, or threaten to and then shut down the message.

And, think about this . . . how many products are on TV that you can't even buy? Plastics, computer chips, prescription drugs, soybeans. I mean honestly. This is the story that NEVER gets told. People just think, “Well, if your good enough, you'll have a big audience and that's what advertisers want.” “Whose being naïve now Kaye?” I am always number one or two in the market. Rush is somewhere around 21st. I replaced G. Gordon Liddy!

I hope this gets told over and over because it is how they control our news, our Information Awareness. Get it?

BUZZFLASH: Explain the allegations that Rush Limbaugh has stated, that if Clear Channel syndicated your show, he would take his program to another company. Could there be a Democratic or Progressive Rush Limbaugh type personality on the airwaves?

RHODES: Not at Clear Channel.

First, let me tell you where the story came from. I had two meetings with middle managers who both liked me and what I had done for our 'pod'. (At Clear Channel the territories are split up into 'pods'.) In two separate meetings I was told “The Rush story.” Additionally, I should never expect to be syndicated by Clear Channel because Rush had said he'd just do what advertisers do. He'd go somewhere else. I was an unknown, he was a known.

I begged for and got (6 months later) a meeting with a senior manager. He told me the “Rush story.” So that's where it comes from. Now, when Oliver North was on the air, he stated that Rush was syndicated because Rush was a better talent and got better ratings. (This is insulting because of the fatness of the lie) . . . I then told him that Rush had threatened to take his show elsewhere if I were to be syndicated by Clear Channel. He said “I've heard that but I can't comment.” So everyone does seem to know “The Rush Story.” (North and Rush are friends).

Control the Content . . . we have business that cannot be disturbed by a questioning public.
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/01/03_Rhodes.html

Meanwhile, the Web site www.allyourtv.com posted a commentary on Wednesday by Rick Ellis saying that he had been leaked an internal NBC study that described Donahue as “a tired, left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace.”

The report allegedly said Donahue presented a difficult face for NBC at a time of war, saying a nightmare scenario would be one in which his show becomes “a home for the liberal anti-war agenda at the same time our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity.”
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/5263274.htm

While “Donahue” does badly trail both O'Reilly and CNN's Connie Chung in the ratings, those numbers have improved in recent weeks. So much so that the program is the top-rated show on MSNBC, beating even the highly promoted “Hardball With Chris Matthews.”

Although Donahue didn't know it at the time, his fate was sealed a number of weeks ago after NBC News executives received the results of a study commissioned to provide guidance on the future of the news channel.

That report--shared with me by an NBC news insider--gives an excruciatingly painful assessment of the channel and its programming. Some of recommendations, such as dropping the “America's News Channel,” have already been implemented. But the harshest criticism was leveled at Donahue, whom the authors of the study described as “a tired, left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace.”
http://www.allyourtv.com/0203season/news/02252003donahue.html

NOW In Depth - Massive Media PBS
Solid Ratings Don't Protect Progressive Radio Voices
What's Wrong With This Picture?
Podvin on the Media 1-31-02
Harper's editor laments rise of corporate news purveyors
Commentary: The Surrender Of MSNBC
The Wayward Media

HUSTLER: What has happened to the the news media in this country?

PALAST: I vomit every time I see Tom Brokaw.

HUSTLER: And Dan Rather-

PALAST: I feel sick at heart when I see Rather, because he's actually a journalist. He came on my program, Newsnight and said, “I can't report the news. I'm not allowed to ask questions. We're gonna send our children and our husbands into the desert now, and I can't ask a question, because I will be lynched.” This is what Rather said in London. He looked defeated and awful, and I was thinking, Why am I feeling sorry for this guy who is worth millions? He should turn to the camera and say, “Well, now for the truth. Over to you, Greg, in London.” The problem is that he can't report the story of the intelligence agents who are told not to look at the Bin Laden family, not to look at Saudi funding of terror.

HUSTLER: What makes Rather afraid to do his job?

PALAST: It's not just that there are brutal shepherds like Rupert Murdoch out there to beat the dickens out of any reporter that asks the wrong questions; it's all about making news on the cheap. You know, for some of these editors, cheap and easy is a philosophy of life. To do a heavy-duty story on Bush, and his oil and Bush and his gold-mining company is beyond them. A little bit of the Harken stock scandal came out, but that story was already seven years old. To some extent they know that there are certain things you cannot say. Rather says he would be necklaced for telling the truth.

HUSTLER: He said that? What did he mean?

PALAST: In South Africa, under apartheid, if someone didn't like you, they put a burning tire around your neck. That was called “necklacing.” On my show, Rather said, “If I ask any questions, I'll be necklaced.” And I'm thinking, Oh, that's a good image. It's sad, but if Dan Rather doesn't have the cajones to ask a question, then you name a reporter who's gonna step out and ask about what's going on. It's not that the corporate guys say, “Don't run that story,” although that has happened to me many times in North American media, but also the shepherds pick the lambs who won't ask the questions. For example, there was a reporter, some poor producer, who wanted to run a story about how Jack Welch had lied about polluting the Hudson River. The story didn't run. Shockeroo. That was for Dateline NBC, owned by General Electric, of which Jack Welch was the chairman of the board. Or as in the case of Venezuela, I was stunned to come back from Caracas to find a picture on the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle of 100,000 people marching against the president of Venezuela. Sounds like he's a terrible guy and people hate him. What they didn't say was that half a million people were marching for him. At least the Soviet Russians knew that the stuff in Pravda was coming out the wrong end of a toilet, whereas, we live under the pretense that The New York Times prints all the news that's fit to print.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=181&row=1


Robins was talking serious politics on a morning chat show - and clearly hackles went up. By 8:24 Robins was explaining “We're fighting for freedom for the Iraqi people right now so that they can have freedom of speech, yet we're telling our own citizens they have to be quiet”

Lauer could have called it quits there -but he went on “When you see pictures of Iraqi's dancing and celebrating -does it change your mind?” “No” Said Robbins - “I'm ecstatic that they feel this freedom, I hope we have the resolve to get in there and make it work.”

It was at this point that something happened that has perhaps never happened before in the history of morning television.

The music swelled under Robbins... Mid-sentence answering a question that had been asked just 10 seconds earlier... “We have a terrible track record” said Robbins, clearly not able to hear that music was coming up to literally 'play him off the stage'.

The camera cut to a wide shot. Lauer was leaning in and very much in conversation. Either Lauer was ignoring what must have been the deluge of invectives in his earpiece, or he just determined that he wasn't finished with this line of questioning.

But the music ended. The bumper music ended and the studio was in the two shot as Robbins said...“It's for some reason not in our best interest to keep it going and pursue it to the next level.” Lauer nodded, and the camera faded to black as Robbins - mid sentence - had his microphone turned down.

A conversation about free speech. An anchor asking reasonable questions. A guest responding in equally reasonable tones. No attempt to close out the discussion - to say “Well thank you Tim”. This was not a filibuster. Robbins was not hogging the spotlight.

Someone in the control room simply decided that it was time to pull the plug. And without grace or ceremony, or even the face saving of letting Lauer say “We're out of time” as morning shows do on so many occasions.

A conversation about free speech and free expression was cut off mid sentence as the network went to black.

Television history was made, as million of Americans got to watch in real time just how powerful and inescapable censorship can be. Robbins wasn't revealing troop locations, or giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Remember the war has been won - by all accounts. He was discussing freedom, free speech, and why his appearance has been canceled at the Baseball Hall of Fame. NBC should invite him back and let him finish his thought - or admit at least who was on the phone to master control demanding that they pull the plug.
http://www.rense.com/general37/dark.htm

Tampa cable won't air ad criticizing Bush tax cut

TAMPA - (AP) -- A TV commercial critical of President Bush's tax plan won't air in Tampa after the city's major cable provider expressed concerns about the script.

The commercial was produced for MoveOn.org, an online political activist group, and was slated to air about 10 times a day this week on cable systems in 23 cities, said Lanicia Shaw, executive assistant for Zimmerman and Markman, a Santa Monica, Calif., advertising agency handling the commercial.

The ad is a reenactment of an event in Eugene, Ore., a month ago in which 50 parents lined up outside a clinic to sell their blood plasma to help pay a teacher's salary.

''George Bush's tax cuts for the rich have meant less money for education,'' the commercial contends.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/5862591.htm

3. How important is “truth” in mass media reporting compared to ratings?
The media doesn't care about outing the real stories - nor about ratings. The truth GETS ratings - but it doesn't win friends in high places. We got more information about the war in Vietnam through “MASH” and “Star Trek” allegories than on CBS news.
The corporate owners of the networks will make a killing on their stealing the digital spectrum, given away for nothing by the Telecommunications Act. (For details, see my website www.GregPalast.com) They are willing to give up ratings points by serving up snooze-news with Tom Brokaw rather than gain audience share but lose their tickets to White House dinners.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=145&row=1

Wall Street Journal:
War Produces Rift in Media Between U.S., Other Nations
… British television reporter Geoff Meade asked the officer what he would say to Iraqis and other Muslims who might welcome such images. Some U.S. reporters looked stunned at the aggressiveness of the question. A hush fell on the room. The general eyed him coldly and parried the query. Afterward, says Mr. Meade, a veteran correspondent with Sky News, a service of British Sky Broadcasting Group PLC, “Somebody joked to me that I'd find myself at the back of the room along with the French and the Germans.”

“We believe people need to see the truth, and there's no need to make the truth cosmetic because it's not pretty,” says Nawal Assad, a producer at al-Jazeera's London office.

… callers on Italian talk shows criticized as censorship the U.S. government's request to U.S. networks to refrain from showing the images. In Germany, the press has engaged in lengthy dissections of U.S. news organizations, often concluding that the U.S. media has gone through “Gleichschaltung,” an ominous word used to describe how the Nazis took over key public institutions, including the media (rough translation: “bringing into line”).
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB104854123024458400-email,00.html
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:54 AM
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21. Awesome, awesome stuff, Rick!
Thanks so much for posting this. Perhaps the most telling is this statement from Amanpour:
"It's not a question of couldn't do it, it's a question of tone," Amanpour said. "It's a question of being rigorous. It's really a question of really asking the questions. All of the entire body politic in my view, whether it's the administration, the intelligence, the journalists, whoever, did not ask enough questions, for instance, about weapons of mass destruction. I mean, it looks like this was disinformation at the highest levels."

That seems to be the age-old problem within the mainstream media. The work that Chomsky has done on this is indispensible. It ends up not being the stuff of hard collusion, or conspiracy theories -- but more of what I would call "soft collusion". I guess in short form it works kind of like this....

Reporters at the top media outlets do not get where they are by challenging authority. They get there by courting it, by representing it. Of course, this does mean that the occasional critical story must slip through in order to maintain a facade of objectivity -- but none of the underlying issues are ever really probed. As Amanpour said, "Nobody asks enough questions."

Of course, if you were to ask a top reporter for the New York Times, like Judith Miller or Thomas Friedman -- or a top TV reporter, like Paula Zahn or Connie Chung -- if their stories were ever censored, they would call your assertion ridiculous. But their response ignores an underlying premise, and that is that if their stories NEEDED to be censored, they never would have risen to the positions they occupy within the mainstream media. They would have been culled a long time ago. They would instead be playing the role of someone like Amy Goodman, slaving away to a small but loyal audience in attempts to "connect the dots", continually frustrated by the unwillingness of the mainstream media to pick up their stories.
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chadm Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:47 AM
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19. No shit
So stop polluting your mind with that stuff. Turn off the TV.
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Sticky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:59 AM
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24. It's no secret
Don Sheppard appeared on CNN last week and the told the interviewer that the White House had sent a gaggle of them (he wasn't specific) to Iraq to report on the "good stories" happening there. The talking head mentioned she would have several reports coming over the next few days.
I searched everywhere for a link that day - think it was Thursday - but no link.

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HalfManHalfBiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:54 AM
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22. Competition
They find out about each other's stories and copy them to stay on the "leading edge" so they aren't scooped too badly. Nothing sinister, just business.

Although the Central Commission may have sent out a directorate about J-Lo and Bennifer. How is it possible that all of the news outlets had a simultaneous epiphany about the love affair of the century?
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:56 AM
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23. My theory on the corporate media is one of "soft collusion"
The work that Chomsky has done on this phenomenon is indispensible. It ends up not being the stuff of hard collusion, or conspiracy theories -- but more of what I would call "soft collusion". I guess in short form it works kind of like this....

Reporters at the top media outlets do not get where they are by challenging authority. They get there by courting it, by representing it. Of course, this does mean that the occasional critical story must slip through in order to maintain a facade of objectivity -- but none of the underlying issues are ever really probed. As Christiane Amanpour said in the recent row over CNN self-censorship, "Nobody asks enough questions."

Of course, if you were to ask a top reporter for the New York Times, like Judith Miller or Thomas Friedman -- or a top TV reporter, like Paula Zahn or Connie Chung -- if their stories were ever censored, they would call your assertion ridiculous. But their response ignores an underlying premise, and that is that if their stories NEEDED to be censored, they never would have risen to the positions they occupy within the mainstream media. They would have been culled a long time ago. They would instead be playing the role of someone like Amy Goodman, slaving away to a small but loyal audience in attempts to "connect the dots", continually frustrated by the unwillingness of the mainstream media to pick up their stories.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:07 AM
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26. It's not control. It's just the way they are about everything.
People who run Mainstream Media have no brains for anything but numbers. They have no subtly or creativity or journalistic initiative.

If they were Men and Women instead of mice, they'd merely be trrying to present a full and balanced picture all along, successes and failures.

But instead they go from one extreme to anotehr and shift direction at the drop of a har. They follow the feeding frenzy in whatever direction they perceive it's going. And they are scared to death of criticism.

So they went in the direction of "The War in Iraq is falling apart" for a while. Now because they got criticized for that, they are shifting to "The War in Iraq is succeeding." Next week, if they perceive that the zeitgeist is shifting again, it'll be back to "The War is falling apart." Or "Iraq is Irrelevant.


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:12 AM
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28. In my Sunday morning waking stupor I heard CNN brag that they
will be bringing us more stories about what's going right in Iraq. Now that's objective reporting. Yesterday they had gen. whatshisface
and the Brooking institutes O'Hanlahan or whatever freshly back from Iraq and they were both pleasently surprised at how well things were going. Sure. Walter Cronkite.........HELP!!!!!
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