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mnmoderatedem Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:02 PM
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BTK Killer

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Kansas Bureau of Investigation special agent Larry Thomas testified that after Rader killed Josephine Otero's parents and brother in 1974, he took the (11 year old ) girl to the basement. Prosecutors projected to a screen Rader's recollection of the exchange he had with Josephine before he killed her.

"What's going to happen to me?" she asks.

Rader: "Well, honey, you're going to be in heaven with the rest of your family."

Rader then hanged the girl and masturbated over her body.

"I remember problems with Josephine because her hair was in the way," Rader told investigators.

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As much as I loathe the death penalty, I wouldn't mind seeing this guy fry...


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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:05 PM
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1. And he's a Republican too ...
all the more reason to fry him.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:12 PM
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4. How do you know?
Not challenging you, just curious where you got the info. It's interesting how so many of these kinds of wackos are Repub.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:54 PM
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14. He had some kind of GOP connection but
I'm a little too busy right now to search for it.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:55 PM
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16. Registered.
And voted in GOP Primaries.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:55 PM
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15. Bob Kincaid called and asked the county clerk.
And he was a Registered Republican all his life.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:59 PM
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18. Thanks.
After I posted it occured to me that I could simply do a word search on "Dennis Rader Republican". That's what I did and sure enough...
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:24 PM
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7. so penalties for murderers depends on political affiliation?
if you're a registered dem, the court should be more lenient in the fact you murdered people. Only life in prison.

if you're a republican, death.

Tell me how that's not fascism.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:32 PM
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8. "Tell me how that's not fascism."
You're catholic. You tell us.

Just kidding. Sorta.

That's actually totalitarianism.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:39 PM
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9. oh my bad, i got my disgusting ism's mixed up
one of the few aspects of catholicism i agree with is the anti-death penalty stances, as it is nothing but state sanctioned murder.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:41 PM
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10. so is it fascism to execute a fascist?
where will it all end?
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:45 PM
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11. since when is being a republican equal to being a fascist?
or is everything to the right of chomsky fascism now?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:51 PM
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12. nope. I didn't call anyone a fascist. you did.
I jist axed a quetchion.
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:54 PM
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13. you said "so it's fascism to execute a fascist"
i said it's fascism to execute someone simply because they're a republican.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 05:50 PM
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29. wow, deja vu
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 05:50 PM by leftofthedial
I thought you actually said it was fascist to execute someone because of their political persuasion (a more general statement)

I said that's technically totalitarianism, not fascism (although fascism is one form of totalitarianism). It also might be Soviet "Communism" (state capitalism/one-party totalitarianism) or any other extremely authoritarian political system.

I never called anyone a fascist (at least in this thread).

But if one *were* fascist and that were grounds for one to be executed, would that be fascist of the state? and if so, where would the killing ever stop?

Sorry to be a nitpicker. I think we actually agree.

Personally, though, I *do* believe that the current repuke party in Murka is proto-fascist. They aren't quite bold enough yet to go all the way, but they'd sure like to. After the revolution, we'll hold Nurnberg-style trials After a fiar trial, we'll execute the fascists.

NOW, we can argue. :-)
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:56 PM
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17. I'm just being sarcastic, don't take it so literally. n/t
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:06 PM
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2. Yo hell with the death penalty
Lock him up in a 6x6 room for the remainder of his life. That ought to be fitting punishment.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:07 PM
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3. I would also make an exception in his case but
he won't fry because the death penalty was not an option at the time of his crimes. He can only get life. Maybe someone inside can take care of him though. What a sick, twisted bastard.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:12 PM
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5. They need to put him in the general population
then Que Sera Sera!
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 01:22 PM
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6. I don't believe in the death penalty, even for him.
But he is a loathesome creature, and deserves to be in prison for the rest of his life.

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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 02:02 PM
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19. Can someone tell me....
Why are we having a trial, when he has confessed to all those murders?
This is a waste of time and money. I say throw his ass in prison for life and I mean life.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 02:08 PM
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20. This is a sentencing hearing, not a trial
Like there's a lot of doubt about what sentence he will get.

Due process and all that. He confessed, so the only question is how many life terms he's gonna get and whether anything extra will be tacked on.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 02:11 PM
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21. Thanks for the clarification. Is this a death penalty case?
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 02:20 PM
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24. I don't think so
Apparently there wasn't a death penalty in KS when the crimes were originally committed, and that's what controls. SCOTUS briefly barred the death penalty back in the 1970s.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 02:20 PM
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25. No. The death penalty isn't an option as it was not in effect at the
time of his crimes.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 03:08 PM
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27. if it's not
Edited on Thu Aug-18-05 03:09 PM by shanti
it WILL be when he reaches prison. somebody will take him out, most likely, just like dahmer.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 03:11 PM
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28. That's what I was thinking.
They should put him in the general population and save the tax payers money.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 02:15 PM
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22. His performance today
is obscene. He is thanking the police he "worked with," the media, etc etc. He is trying to maintain a degree of control, "correcting" some errors that people have made in describing his actions. He is acting like he is on stage, winning an award.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 02:15 PM
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23. right now he's making a statement...creepy..
It sounds for all the world like he's accepting an Oscar.. He's thanking various officers and keepers..

I wouldn't want my name in his mouth.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 03:06 PM
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26. Just in. Life with parole possible after 40 years.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 05:51 PM
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30. Jesus- imagine being his wife, or one of his kids
Horrible

fucking horrible

He is one EVIL motherf*cker
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-05 05:54 PM
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31. I know! Talk about being dealt a rotten hand!
I really do feel for his family
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