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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:04 AM
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OPEC: "sweet crude production has peaked"
The problem with refineries is that there is not enough refining capacity for the heavier crude that oil corporations are switching to.


Refinery expansions efforts needed to match evolving crude supply - Report
Vienna, 17/8/05
http://www.opec.org/home/Special%20Features/2005/Fea082005.htm

Refinery capacity expansion plans are needed in the major consuming regions to reflect the evolving quality of global crudes if efforts to moderate crude prices and reduce oil market volatility are to be effective, according to the OPEC Monthly Oil Market Report for August. The report highlights the fact that recent production trends have resulted in a global crude slate that is heavier and sourer. At the same time, the refining sector has been slow to not only expand to meet the increasing demand but also to adapt to the changes in crude quality. The resulting constraints in the downstream sector have become a major source of upward pressure on prices.

“The recent rise in crude oil prices to new record highs — triggered by a series of refinery outages that have aggravated downstream constraints along with increased geopolitical tensions — only highlights the pressing need to enact concrete measures that would encourage rapid and sizeable investments in the refining sector,” the report said. The report noted that it will take several years to deliver the projects needed to ease current bottlenecks and prepare the appropriate refining capacity to meet expected demand. “Any delays will only continue the current mismatch between the installed refinery capacity and crude type, and undermine OPEC efforts, and those of other producers, on the upstream side to reduce volatility in the oil market,” it added.
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OPEC Monthly Oil Market Report Aug.05
http://www.opec.org/home/Monthly%20Oil%20Market%20Reports/2005/MR082005.htm


Also mentioned in the report:
"Brazilian oil supply is now expected to average 1.99 mb/d, a growth of 190,000 b/d versus 2004. The performance in the second quarter of 2005 was better than expected, with the two new deepwater fields (Barracuda and Caratinga) now reported to have reached peak production."

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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:13 AM
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1. And the reason the oil companies have not adapted
is because they just don't have the excess capital to invest in new refineries?
They use all their profits exploring and perfecting a new energy source?
They found that doing nothing is the best way to make oil bring in obscene profits?
Nobodys really in charge and by the way how much money did we make today?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:27 AM
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2. Perhaps they anticipated production peak,
rising prices and the resulting slow down of demand growth. In spite of the shortfall of refinery capacity, there is no actual fuel shortage yet - in part due to high prices. While it is true that prices are as high as they are in part because of lacking refinery capacity, the undelying cause is declining production of cheap (sweet) oil.

Building refineries to handle heavy/sour crude will not make oil products any cheaper.

Seen from the perspective of the oil companies it makes sense to wait with increasing refinery capacity untill they really have to, to prevent actual shortages. That way they can make existing reserves last longer and maximize profits.
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:53 AM
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8. hehehe
Yes, they do have the excess capital to invest in new refineries. (They've chosen not to.) Corporations in the S&P 500 currently hold the greatest sums of excess cash ever in history.

There is little evidence that exploration for new oil sources has expanded. In fact, the opposite seems to be true. As far as other energy sources go, there is evidence that some research and development is underway (although it may, in fact, take years and years to make the kind of technological leaps that will be needed, especially in the area of solar cell composition and improvements), but there could be more R&D and there could be more investment into R&D in alternative energy, but the industry as a whole has been slow to act.

Yes, the slower they act, the greater demand outstrips supply, and they are making a hefty profit as a result.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:40 AM
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3. Yet they always fail to mention-oil companies are recording record profits
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 01:03 AM by LaPera
every quarter in direct proportions to the rising record price of gas.

The oil companies aren't hurting, they always want to lay the blame elsewhere. They sure are gouging us at the pumps though!

Keep the bullshit smokescreens going. Like this article and the corporate media will keep enough of us dumb and stupid believing their bullshit!

They never mention Exxon's seven billion dollars plus in profits last quarter, just one quarter...Who in the fuck do they think they are kidding?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:45 AM
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5. Not so.
Profits are reported in the mainstream media because oil companies do report their profits.

And not all of the profits are record profits. Record profits were reported in 2004. 2005 profits are not as good.

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British Petroleum profits disappointing

BBC
Strong oil demand lifts BP profit
26 July 2005
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4716639.stm

"Our record first half financial results could not have been delivered without the significant investments made over the last decade," said BP chief executive Lord Browne."

"There has to be higher spending, but I think they are doing that on the research and development front," said Elissa Bayer of Gerrards stockbrokers"

"However, Lord Browne warned it was not certain that the second six months would be as profitable as the first half of 2005."

"BP's shares fell 2% to 629.5 pence as investors factored in the cost of the compensation pay-out."

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So, 10 years of investment yields 6 months of disappointing profits, and the next 6 months may be more disappointing still.
In the mean time, energy rationing and energy riots are actually taking place now.
www.oilcast.com
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:54 AM
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9. Man, I don't know where your coming from, but your wrong...
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 12:59 AM by LaPera
Rising Gas Prices and Big Oil's Agenda

Washington, D.C. - Institute for Public Accuracy - infoZine - Wenonah Hauter is director of Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy and Environment Program; Hauter said yesterday: "Since Bush became president, the largest five oil companies operating in the U.S. -- ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, ConocoPhillips, BP and Shell -- have enjoyed profits of $254 billion, with ExxonMobil leading the way with profits of $89 billion.

"Clearly, there is a direct correlation between record prices paid by consumers and record profits enjoyed by oil companies. For example, the profit margin for U.S. oil refiners has shot up 79 percent from 1999 (the year Exxon and Mobil merged) to 2004. But rather than hold these price-gougers responsible, the energy bill signed by Bush this month gives $6 billion in tax breaks and subsidies to oil companies."

James Paul, executive director of the Global Policy Forum, has written several reports about oil including "Oil in Iraq: The Heart of the Crisis." He said yesterday: "Exxon, as the world's biggest and most profitable company, wields enormous power in Washington and in most other capitals as well. The company has plenty of lobby funds, as it enjoys more revenue than 185 national governments. Exxon has blocked a U.S. national policy on climate change and fought against environmental laws. Oil company interests are not only crucial in the war in Iraq, but also other conflicts, such as Iran. As world oil supplies begin to diminish, big oil dreams of ever-higher profits, and more oil wars to seize new and lucrative concessions."

http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid/9702/

Record Prices Mean Record Profits for Oil Companies

As American consumers increasingly feel the pinch at the pump, oil companies have watched their profits soar.

The newest numbers from the second quarter of this year show Exxon Mobil with a 32 percent increase in earnings over this time last year — that's more than $7.6 billion.

BP saw a profit increase of 38 percent, totaling $6.7 billion, while Conoco Phillips — the third largest oil company in the country — recorded a 56 percent increase in profit, more than $3 billion.

"The huge profits are enormous because the public is drastically overpaying what it costs to produce," said Joan Claybrook, president of the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

Many of these companies long ago bought oil reserves at prices of $10 to $25 a barrel. With prices peaking near the $67 mark, the profit margin has been enormous.

Even more eye-opening is the profit in Saudi Arabia. Saudis are making an average of $208 million more each day since the increase in crude oil prices first began in December 2003.

Will Profits Lead to Solutions?

"The answer is yes, but the impact of those is not immediate," said Mike Rothman, the head of integrated oil research for the International Strategy & Investment Group.

Consumer advocates say Congress is doing nothing to speed up the process, instead passing an energy bill that gives tax breaks to the oil industry.

"They got $6 billion in the energy bill over 10 years. That's a huge, huge amount of money," said Claybrook. "And you'd think with the price of oil at $65 a barrel, they didn't need any new incentives."

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1029991
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:34 AM
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12. You mean the BBC got it wrong?
Both accounts of BP's profits are essentially the same, just with different interpretations. Fact is the profit in the first 6 months of 2005 were the result of 10 years investment. Fact is BP shares dropped because investors expected more profits. Fact is BP says the 2nd half of 2005 may be less profitable.
Also a fact is that oil production is peaking. It is no surprise to me that this is reflected in oil prices even before there are actual shortages.

I think any publication these days about oil prices and the oil industry that does not mention the problems with production, has little credibility.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:42 AM
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4. Sounds like an excellent time to switch to a new source of energy.
Before building more infrastructure, and when prices are so high.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:47 AM
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6. "World running out of time for oil alternatives"
World running out of time for oil alternatives
Reuters
By Anna Mudeva
Thu Aug 18, 9:53 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050818/sc_nm/energy_dutch_ecn_dc

PETTEN, Netherlands (Reuters) - The world could run out of time to develop cleaner alternatives to oil and other fossil fuels before depletion drives prices through the roof, a leading Dutch energy researcher said on Thursday.


Ton Hoff, manager of the Energy Research Center of the Netherlands, said it could take decades to make alternatives affordable to the point where they can be used widely, although high oil prices were already stimulating such research.

"If we run out of fossil fuels -- by the time the oil price hits 100 dollars or plus, people will be screaming for alternatives, but whether they will be available at that moment of time -- that's my biggest worry," Hoff said.

"That's why we need to use fossil fuels in a more efficient way to have some more time to develop these alternatives up to a level where the robustness is guaranteed and their price has come down ... This could take decades for some technologies."

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HadItUpToHere Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:42 AM
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13. great idea...
got any realistic suggestions as to that "new source"?
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 12:52 AM
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7. Peak Oil is here, bye bye industrial civilization n/t
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Oerdin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:27 AM
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10. No, industrial civilization will go on.
It will just adapt. We'll have to actually start conserving energy and pushing into alternative energy like the intelligent people have been advocating since the 1970's.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 02:40 AM
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11. c.f. the Hirsch report... bad things are afoot
The Hirsch Report says a 20-year lead is needed on Peak Oil.
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