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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:17 PM
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Maggie Thatcher Says 'Britain Should Never Have Been Involved' in Iraq War
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 01:18 PM by protect freedom impe
Thatcher Says 'Britain Should Never Have Been Involved' in Iraq W-ar


"Margaret Thatcher has savagely undermined Tony Blair's case for war against Iraq. In her first reported comment on the conflict, the Tory leader who took Britain to victory in the 1982 Falkland Conflict, has told friends that the war against Iraq was a 'mistake'. Baroness Thatcher has warned that British troops could be tied up in a mission without end for years. 'Britain should never have been involved and it will be very difficult to get our troops out in anything like the near future,' she told Tory peers at a private meeting last week. She also believes a judicial inquiry should be set up into the Iraq conflict rather than the 'tightly defined' Hutton inquiry."

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/content_objectid=13431916_method=full_siteid=106694_headline=-MAGGIE-S-MAULING-FOR-BLAIR-name_page.html


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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:18 PM
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1. Got Link?
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:18 PM
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2. I hope someone can explain this to me.
I just don't get it.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:22 PM
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6. She wants to
get rid of Labour Party and Blair?
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:27 PM
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11. Is that a quesiton or an answer?
Of course she wants to see the end of the Labour government.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:26 PM
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10. The tension in Britain that could hurt Labour is the tension
over liberal internationalism vs isolationism.

For Blair, the reasons to get involved in Iraq are different than the US's (and they're outlined in his speech today). For the US it's about imperialism and control of markets. For Blair, it's about making sure Britain (and Europe) has a say in the future of Iraq, and making sure the US isn't in sole control of Iraq. For Blair, it's a liberal internationalism, not unlike FDR's reasons for getting involved in WWII that drives his participation.

Thatcher is like Bush -- she wants Britain involved if it furthers a conservative internationalism (if it sells arms, creates chaos, and furthers imperialism). She prefers isolation if it creates chaos, sells arms, and furthers imperialism.

That's why she's mad at Blair. However, had Blair not gotten involved, the right wing would have accused Blair of being an isolationist, reducing Britains role on the global stage, etc. etc.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:20 PM
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3. Oh NO!
We'll be cleaning up brains for WEEKS when the neocon freepers' heads all explode over this remark! She's their DARLING! :P
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:20 PM
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4. where was she prior to the war?
contemplating her navel?
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:23 PM
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7. I don't think she has a navel.
Reptiles are hatched.

:evilgrin:
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:55 PM
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16. nice one!
:evilgrin:
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:24 PM
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8. it's safe now to criticize
and she knows this

i bet she's been hangin' with the tories working out stragery.

now that they are stuck there they can safely criticize while going about the business of recolonization.

when she comes out and says they should pull out immediately i'll give
her some creedence



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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:26 PM
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9. Maggie going wobbly?
MY head's about to explode.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:21 PM
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5. That's going to help Blair way more than hurt him.
Thatcher probably has dementia and after a few crazy exclamations in the late 90s her doctors told her it would probably be a good idea if she stopped making public declararations.

This was about the time she said some stupid things in defense of Pinochet, and when she draped a scarf over the tail of a British Airways 747 because it had an "international" design (probably something African) instead of the Union Jack.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:29 PM
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12. Whoever is going after BushCo is an ally today
but after this is done, Margaret Dear, please return to the trashbin of imperial history, you evil evil creature.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:32 PM
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13. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
But I agree with the rest of what you say, too. :)
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:17 PM
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19. Margaret is no friend of liberty's friends. She is the worst,
most conniving, evil politicians ever.

If Thatcher is saying this, you all would be smarter if you tried to figure out what her fascist agenda might be, rather than acting like she's your ally.

Believe me. Thatcher doens't care about liberalism, progress or democracy.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:22 PM
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21. From someone whose political birth was the eighties
I agree with you 100% --- although "conniving, evil" is rather tame don't you think!

I think that Thatcher is giving an "in" for the Tories who are desperate to critisize Blair over Iraq but can't because they were foaming at the mouth to back Bush from mid 2002.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:42 PM
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22. But it's not just that she's saying something that hurts Blair
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 02:44 PM by AP
because it hurts Blair.

She's honestly opposed to liberal internationalism. Listen to Blair's reasons for getting involved in Iraq from his speech today -- those are the core principles of liberal internationalism, and are the same things than motivated Clinton, FDR and Wilson.

If the Tories were in power, they'd definitely be involved in Iraq to further an imperialist, fascistic internationalism. If Blair is going to remain as PM, arguing for political control of Iraq shifting to the UN, and trying to incorporate Germany and France into the decision making process, Thatcher would then rather see the UK out of Iraq so that Bush could have the run of the board in Iraq, which would further entrench the international right wing's fascist internationalism.

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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:35 PM
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14. if these chairs represented Blair ...


... I think that's Thatcher working on one of its legs ...

Thatcher integrity-o-meter

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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:39 PM
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15. The world has been tipped upside down.
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 01:40 PM by Sean Reynolds
The neocon whore is anti-Iraq war? Paint me pink and call me a pig.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:05 PM
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17. Its just to oppose labour Sean
I hate her as much as I do Reagan, Bernadette Devlin a personally truly opposed to the war period was deported I think when she came here this past winter, I am not sure, Shes an Irish nationalist and socialist. Good lady, yes I am somewhat of an Irish nationalist. :) I like your new sig.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:19 PM
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20. Thatcher is pro-Bush, and Bush would be happier of the UK
were not involved and if Europe were shut out from having any input (unless it's cash for Haliburton and soldiers for fodder).

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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 02:10 PM
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18. Headline: Bush*, too extreme for Margaret Thatcher
And too extreme for America!
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 04:43 PM
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23. She's suffering from dementia
Thinks that her husband is still alive and stuff like that. Sorry, but she's the iron maiden no longer.

http://www.firstfoot.com/News/thatcher.htm
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 05:03 PM
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24. How does she feel about American occupation?
Could be that her money is tied up in American contracts and is trying to push Blair and BP oil out of the way. She probably has more of an interest in Russian oil than in BP.
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