Cal EPA is expendable? WTF is going on in CA?

[msmcghee]

Ah-nold isn't sure the EPA is even necessary in Cal

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-arnold30sep30,1,1530505,print.story?coll=la-headlines-california

How can the people of California even consider such an outrage against the people and the environment of their state. How can this crude, imbecile even be in the running, much less polling ahead? I know big money can make almost anything happen - but this is beyond all realty.

Can any politically plugged-in DU'ers please explain this to me.

[wryter2000]

1. We're a weird state

The North is overwhelmingly liberal. The South is Reagan Country.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. What about LA??? Aren't they at least liberal???

I hope!?!?

[Emboldened Chimp]

4. Yes, LA is very progressive, actually

Orange County (or "The OC") is right wing. We don't call the county line The Orange Curtain for nuthin'! San Diego's pretty right-wing, too.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

5. Orange Country is "Nutty" I understand!!!

I would personally live in San Fransico!

[mkregel]

6. Except for La Jolla....

which is a very strange mix of RW-ex-military types who did well, LW-ex-military types who did well and bohemian hippie types.

[Emillereid]

14. Don't know about that --

I'm finding that even people who are normally sane and more or less moderate -- and usually likely to vote democratic -- have completely bought the argument that California needs non-politicians in government, thus the appeal of Arnie. He's seen as a good businessman who can cut through so called special interests, etc. What's sad is that most of the people I talk to who feel this way don't understand that the programs they hold dear are probably special interests to somebody else. People who should know better seem to believe that Arnie,the tough guy will somehow save the day. I'm also amazed at how unpopular Davis is -- it's as if all the frustrations (deficits, bad schools, unemployment, etc. caused more by Bush's national policies than him have been re-directed to Davis. He's the perfect fall guy. (some where I suspect the hand of Karl Rove). I keep wishing Californians will wake up and see this recall for the soap opera that it is -- but if anything I think Hollywood fantasy has completely taken over reason.

[msmcghee]

3. When I lived there in the sixties . .

. . I didn't even know any pukes - except for the local nazi-cop. But then I didn't live in OC. I hung around Hermosa Beach.

[msmcghee]

7. When I moved to the NW in late sixties . .

. . I drove through Sacramento and stopped off just long enough for my dog to take a dump on Reagan's lawn.

[Unknown Known]

8. If you see pretty-boy David Drier standing next to anyone

you can rest assured, it's all crooked. This guy is a real slime:puke:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

9. None of those explanations above are correct

Dems and even moderate Republicans favor strong environmental protections in California.

Pete Wilson created Cal EPA back in the early to mid 90's in order to combine some other agencies that he felt duplicated functions..Arnold's mouth opened without Pete's hand up his ass to work it and he failed to consider that his Svengali was responsible for this agency...he is looking to make CUTS so like most Repubs, he will take protective regulatory agencies and either DO AWAY with them or underfund them.


....they paved paradise...a HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[msmcghee]

10. I guess when your on a jihad . .

. . there's no limit to the destruction you can do.

All I can think of is a mob scene where the townsfolk are storming the jail so they can lynch somebody in their anger - knowing the white girl is lieing about the rape and the black guy wasn't even there at the time.

They're going to get their pound of flesh.

Then when Cal's economy crumbles over the next few years, instead of admitting that maybe putting a dumb shit actor with no political experience in the governor's mansion wasn't such a good idea - they'll say it was all caused by Clinton't penis.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. I should clarify

Repubs favor strong environmental protections as long as they don't interefere with developing every last stretch of the high desert, using the Palm Springs aquifier to water yet another golf course or littering every last stretch of the So Cal coast with multi-million dollar homes.

Just don't ask them to build sufficient roads to accomodate those ends.

[msmcghee]

12. You mean they think environmental protection is . .

. . making sure the Palm Springs golf course greens are well watered and trimmed to the proper height?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. No, their idea of environmental protection is making sure the oil co's

put Christmas lights on the oil platforms in the ocean off the coast from their multi-million dollar homes...oh yeah...and making sure the homeless are swept off the streets and into the storm drains

[Semi_subversive]

15. Most Palm Springs area

golf courses are irrigated with reclaimed water, i.e, treated sewage that is actually OK to drink, but people won't because it sounds icky. I did a Clean Water Program loan contract for that purpose many moons ago when I worked for the Water Resources Control Board. Just playing devil's advocate, and because I don't want to register w/ the Times to view the article, does he say to dump just CalEPA, the small agency with oversight over many environment related boards and departments or does he want to dump the whole shooting match?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. Actually, he doesn't want to dump it..he was answering some rural

goatroper who was complaining about CalEPA regs and then had to backpedal when Pete cleared up his confusion in the matter.

I think he will look to make cuts and expect those cuts to be in areas that favor developers.

[dfong63]

17. how do you know he doesn't want to dump it?

the article sure doesn't say Arnold wants to keep it!

link

``...
Elimination of Agency Suggested
By Joe Mathews, Times Staff Writer

CLOVIS, Calif. Arnold Schwarzenegger suggested at a
question-and-answer forum with supporters Monday that he might
eliminate the state's environmental protection agency, but a
spokesman later said he meant only to reduce duplication in
functions among the local, state and federal governments.

During an "Ask Arnold" event at a company that manufactures
security cameras in this Fresno suburb, Schwarzenegger was asked
by a man identifying himself as a farmer why the state needed
Cal/EPA when the federal Environmental Protection Agency
regulates many of the same things.

"What you just talked about is the waste overlapping agencies.
They cost a fortune," Schwarzenegger said. "We have to strip that
down and get rid of some of those agencies."

Schwarzenegger did not go any further. In a briefing with
reporters after the event, Rob Stutzman, a Schwarzenegger
spokesman, refused to rule out eliminating the state agency, but
also said he did not believe Schwarzenegger had said that.
...''

[Semi_subversive]

18. Just like Pete Wilson did

I know of two Regional Water Quality Control Board Executive Officers that were canned by Wilson because they weren't treating the corporate polluters nice enough. In the 17 years is spent there, I learned that the good folks at the Water Board and their Regional Boards are some of the most dedicated people I've ever run across, and Wilson tried to neuter them. I can't believe that AS would even think of them as duplicative with the feds as they do so much more. And didn't * run on a platform of State's rights? Oh, that's right, except for college entrance considerations, medicinal grass and pollution.

[cally]

19. It's all about the media coverage

It's all Arnold all the time. None of these negative stories get through amongst the haze of Arnie throwing t-shirts into a crowd.

Remember we're the state who started the anti-tax movement. We want it all without paying for it. Tell most Californians that the state EPA is redundant and most will believe you then complain bitterly about the bad water and air. I'm angry now.