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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:23 PM
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Most conservative metro areas or regions (as a whole)
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 05:01 PM by pstokely
Dallas
Houston
Indianapolis
Cincinnati
Nashville
Salt Lake City,
Atlanta (Newt and Bob Barr came from suburban Cobb Country)

the cities themselves may be blue but the burbs turn these places red

What are the others?
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Son of California Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:26 PM
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1. Sacramento is pretty conservative
and I sensed a lot of Republican Yuppism in the LA area too.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:27 PM
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2. Colorado City, Prado, Baltimore
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:29 PM
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5. Baltimore?
I visit my brother-in-law there.......... I was there during elections....seemed very liberal
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:47 PM
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15. baltimore is consistantly in top 10 lists of most liberal cities in the US
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:49 PM
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16. what about the Meto area of Baltimore?
red suburbs may make the area overall conservative
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:07 AM
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34. burbs are split...
baltimore county, which completely surrounds balto city is more conservative, but i rather think that goes without saying in most places...that said baltimore county can swing either way and has.

it went for kerry in the election by 2-3 points, as an example.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:27 PM
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3. Colorado Springs
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 05:08 PM
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21. that's no town, that's a fundie air force recruiting center
with the official approval of the USAF.


If their beliefs are so correct, then they should have their own wings. Why do they need planes?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 07:08 PM
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26. Hee!
The Springs has really grown into a pretty big town, actually. And the bigger - the badder.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:29 PM
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4. Mesa, AZ
Belfry loads of bat-shit crazy there.

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:30 PM
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6. Top 25 Most Conservative Cities
1 Provo Utah

2 Lubbock Texas

3 Abilene Texas

4 Hialeah Florida

5 Plano Texas

6 Colorado Springs Colorado

7 Gilbert Arizona

8 Bakersfield California

9 Lafayette Louisiana

10 Orange California

11 Escondido California

12 Allentown Pennsylvania

13 Mesa Arizona

14 Arlington Texas

15 Peoria Arizona

16 Cape Coral Florida

17 Garden Grove California

18 Simi Valley California

19 Corona California

20 Clearwater Florida

21 West Valley City Utah

22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma

23 Overland Park Kansas

24 Anchorage Alaska

25 Huntington Beach California

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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:32 PM
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8. I was talking about metropolition areas, not individual cities or towns
some of those places are burbs of liberal cities
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:21 AM
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38. Orange County, California
We usually look at California as a reliable blue state with all it electorate votes.

But in reality, only the coastal metropolitans of San Francisco and Los Angeles are. Almost like (big) islands of blue.

The rest of California is definitely red.

This is true across the country. The densely populated areas are blue while the sparsely ones are red. This is why the mountain and southwestern states are Bush and Cheney countries. Even though I am sure that the core of their large metropolitan areas are blue, but not enough to counter balance the state. In CA, NY and IL - it is.
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:32 PM
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7. Most of the texas big citys are liberalish
and they voted Blue in '04. Its all the subburbs that kill us..
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:33 PM
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9. I'm talking about metropolitan areas
which ones are the most overall conservative?
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:01 PM
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24. Well, you have to define "area" to get an answer.
Houston the city has elected a woman mayor, a black mayor, has had a woman police chief, a black police chief, and has elected an out lesbian to city-wide office 4 consecutive times.

It's true -- it's the burbs that'll kill ya.

I think if you're looking for really conservative -- look for big military bases. Like Pensacola.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:33 PM
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10. Orange County, California and the northern half of San Diego County
Everything in San Diego county north of Interstate 8. The city of San Diego itself is trending blue in the last few elections but San Diego County as a whole is still deep red, especially the northern and eastern parts.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:40 PM
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12. Fairfield County in CT
N/T
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:39 PM
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11. I know Detroit Metro is the most segregated
The U.S. census made official last year what most of us already knew -- Metro Detroit is the nation's most segregated area.



http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2002/segregation/b01-390105.htm

This makes it difficult to answer your question. If you look at the burbs, I think you could make a case for Detroit; but if you look at the city, home of John Conyers, then you are talking about something else.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 05:00 PM
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20. I have to disagree
If Metro Detroit is so conservative, how did John Kerry win in Oakland county and western Wayne, outside of Detroit?
Most of the inner suburbs are majority Democratic. Ferndale, Oak Park, Southfield,Huntington Woods, etc. are very liberal.
Sandy Levin and John Dingell get reelected in the burbs by big margins every two years.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 05:25 PM
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22. True, I lived in Ferndale for a while.
but the same can't be said for the outer ring, up in the "Hills" like Bloomfield, Rochester, Auburn, Farmington, etc...




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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:43 PM
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13. Most LIBERAL cities: And you might note, that Dallas is more liberal than
Austin, which is considered the most liberal city in Texas. Also more liberal than Madison, Wisconsin and Los Angeles.

What you think as "common knowledge" ain't necessarily so.

Also, I saw you are looking for metro, but to my knowledge there is no survey of that.


America’s Most Liberal Cities
Rank City State
1 Detroit Michigan
2 Gary Indiana
3 Berkeley California
4 District of Columbia
5 Oakland California
6 Inglewood California
7 Newark New Jersey
8 Cambridge Massachusetts
9 San Francisco California
10 Flint Michigan
11 Cleveland Ohio
12 Hartford Connecticut
13 Paterson New Jersey
14 Baltimore Maryland
15 New Haven Connecticut
16 Seattle Washington
17 Chicago Illinois
18 Philadelphia Pennsylvania
19 Birmingham Alabama
20 St. Louis Missouri
21 New York New York
22 Providence Rhode Island
23 Minneapolis Minnesota
24 Boston Massachusetts
25 Buffalo New York
26 New Orleans Louisiana
27 Ann Arbor Michigan
28 Jersey City New Jersey
29 Portland Oregon
30 Daly City California
31 Atlanta Georgia
32 Dallas Texas
33 Hayward California
34 Madison Wisconsin
35 Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
36 St. Paul Minnesota
37 Los Angeles California
38 Rochester New York
39 Memphis Tennessee
40 Milwaukee Wisconsin
41 Vallejo California
42 Dayton Ohio
43 Bridgeport Connecticut
44 Springfield Massachusetts
45 Syracuse New York
46 Jackson Mississippi
47 Jackson Mississippi
48 Akron Ohio
49 Denver Colorado
50 Richmond Virginia
51 El Monte California
52 Pasadena California
53 Toledo Ohio
54 Eugene Oregon
55 Elizabeth New Jersey
56 Cincinnati Ohio
57 Santa Rosa California
58 Worcester Massachusetts
59 Kansas City Missouri
60 Kansas City Kansas
61 Durham North Carolina
62 Sunnyvale California
63 Alexandria Virginia
64 Fremont California
65 Tallahassee Florida
66 Pomona California
67 Lansing Michigan
68 Erie Pennsylvania
69 Savannah Georgia
70 Long Beach California
71 Sacramento California
72 Greensboro North Carolina
73 Hollywood Florida
74 San Jose California
75 Norwalk California
76 Lowell Massachusetts
77 Aurora Colorado
78 Columbus Ohio
79 Concord California
80 Norfolk Virginia
81 Salinas California
82 Columbia South Carolina
83 South Bend Indiana
84 North Las Vegas Nevada
85 Oxnard California
86 Fort Lauderdale Florida
87 Portsmouth Virginia
88 Raleigh North Carolina
89 Pembroke Pines Florida
90 Burbank California
91 Glendale California
92 Stamford Connecticut
93 Austin Texas
94 Virginia Beach Virginia
95 Salt Lake City Utah
96 Tacoma Washington
97 Des Moines Iowa
98 Athens Georgia
99 Bellevue Washington
100 Hampton Virginia
101 Brownsville Texas
102 Little Rock Arkansas
103 West Covina California
104 Orlando Florida
105 St Petersburg Florida
106 Downey California
107 Fontana California
108 Tampa Florida
109 San Bernadino California
110 Augusta Georgia
111 Beaumont Texas
112 Stockton California
113 Aurora Illinois
114 Warren Michigan
115 Laredo Texas
116 El Paso Texas
117 Grand Rapids Michigan
118 Coral Springs Florida
119 San Diego California
120 Miami Florida
121 Nashville-Davidson Tennessee
122 Santa Ana California
123 Joliet Illinois
124 Rockford Illinois
125 Charlotte North Carolina
126 Tempe Arizona
127 Yonkers New York
128 Fayetteville North Carolina
129 Cedar Rapids Iowa
130 Reno Nevada
131 Fort Collins Colorado
132 Pueblo Colorado
133 Las Vegas Nevada
134 San Buenaventura California
135 Moreno Valley California
136 Tucson Arizona
137 Ontario California
138 Huntsville Alabama
139 Newport News Virginia
140 Salem Oregon
141 Peoria Illinois
142 Knoxville Tennessee
143 Spokane Washington
144 Winston-Salem North Carolina
145 Albuquerque New Mexico
146 Honolulu Hawaii
147 Columbus Georgia
148 Grand Prairie Texas
149 Chattanooga Tennessee
150 Green Bay Wisconsin
151 Louisville Kentucky
152 Waterbury Connecticut
153 Lakewood Colorado
154 Montgomery Alabama
155 Indianapolis Indiana
156 Shreveport Louisiana
157 Independence Missouri
158 Westminster Colorado
159 Manchester New Hampshire
160 Chula Vista California
161 Palmdale California
162 Sterling Heights Michigan
163 Fort Worth Texas
164 Topeka Kansas
165 Vancouver Washington
166 Fresno California
167 Mobile Alabama
168 Riverside California
169 Irvine California
170 Lexington-Fayette Kentucky
171 Torrance California
172 Phoenix Arizona
173 McAllen Texas
174 Arvada Colorado
175 San Antonio Texas
176 Henderson Nevada
177 Houston Texas
178 Springfield Illinois
179 Evansville Indiana
180 Livonia Michigan
181 Baton Rouge Louisiana
182 Irving Texas
183 Omaha Nebraska
184 Boise City Idaho
185 Thousand Oaks California
186 Mesquite Texas
187 Lincoln Nebraska
188 Sioux Falls South Dakota
189 Modesto California
190 Costa Mesa California
191 Oceanside California
192 Naperville Illinois
193 Fort Wayne Indiana
194 Springfield Missouri
195 Chesapeake Virginia
196 Pasadena Texas
197 Waco Texas
198 Jacksonville Florida
199 Chandler Arizona
200 Anaheim California
201 Clarksville Tennessee
202 Carrollton Texas
203 Corpus Christi Texas
204 Scottsdale Arizona
205 Fullerton California
206 Santa Clarita California
207 Glendale Arizona
208 Wichita Kansas
209 Garland Texas
210 Rancho Cucamonga California
211 Tulsa Oklahoma
212 Lancaster California
213 Huntington Beach California
214 Overland Park Kansas
215 Anchorage Alaska
216 Oklahoma City Oklahoma
217 Clearwater Florida
218 Corona California
219 Simi Valley California
220 West Valley City Utah
221 Garden Grove California
222 Cape Coral Florida
223 Arlington Texas
224 Allentown Pennsylvania
225 Peoria Arizona
226 Escondido California
227 Mesa Arizona
228 Orange California
229 Lafayette Louisiana
230 Bakersfield California
231 Colorado Springs Colorado
232 Gilbert Arizona
233 Plano Texas
234 Hialeah Florida
235 Abilene Texas
236 Lubbock Texas
237 Provo Utah
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:44 PM
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14. the city of Dallas may be liberal
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 04:46 PM by pstokely
but the metro area as a whole is conservative, the conservatism is in the suburbs

the St. Charles/West Country area of St. Louis is red (home the Moran)

Overland Park KS, on the list of most conservative cities, is a burb of Kansas City, MO, on the liberal list

Long Island NY is (or was once) conservative
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 05:44 PM
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23. Like I said, "common knowledge" may say that, but unless we can
find a survey, it remains as speculation.

One problem: What defines the metro area? In Dallas, for example, is it the burbs in the immediate area or do you include Fort Worth and its suburban communities? I mean. like Baltimore and D.C. it's all one big conglomeration of city, but they are distinct cities.

One thing about Texas that people don't think about; it's a huge state. Which means that it has more rural areas than other states, and the rural areas tend to be more conservative.

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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:38 PM
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29. do more people live in urban, rural, or suburban areas in Texas?
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 08:42 PM by pstokely
probably in rural and suburban areas
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:40 PM
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30. Good question. I'm not sure.
"Common knowledge" would say rural or suburban. But I really don't know. I'll see what I can google.

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kittykitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:54 PM
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17. Everywhere in PA between Pittsburgh and Philadelpha is bible Belt!
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:56 PM
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18. pretty much the same thing in Missouri
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 05:00 PM by pstokely
outside of Kansas City, St. Louis, and Columbia
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Southpaw Bookworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:03 AM
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36. Pennsyltucky
Is what a college friend used to refer to that area.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 04:59 PM
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19. Tampa
I still don't get why for a metro area of 2.5 million people, it's still about as red as a sun burnt crap. And Orlando has about half the population but it's much more blue. Go figure. Quality over quantity I guess.

Lu
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:03 PM
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25. Oklahoma City....
The reddest of the red, the buckle of the Bible belt.

I don't live there, but my :loveya: does. He is a progressive. :D
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 07:09 PM
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27. I agree about Indy, I live there, really sucks
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:30 PM
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28. most big cities are at least somewhat liberal
but it's the burbs outside the cities may make the metro areas conservative
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 08:58 PM
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31. Grand Rapids MI metro--Puke City
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:49 PM
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32. isn't that strong union town?
don't they have a bunch of Auto plants there?
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:56 PM
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33. Yes, but most everything else is non-union.
Home of Amway-it don't get much pukier than that.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:36 AM
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35. Birmingham, AL
St. Louis
Kansas City (suburbs)
Denver (suburbs)
Phoenix (or so my relatives say---i have yet to go there)
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:15 AM
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37. St. Louis?
The city went 81% Kerry, the metropolitan area went 57% Kerry, if I remember correctly. Listed as 20th most liberal city on above post. KC similar, at least on the Missouri side.

Like everywhere else, the farther from the inner-city, the more republican.
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