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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:41 AM
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"America is not worth dying for"--Fox (molly)--dug up some older
speeches by Cindy. They showed an audioclip. OH NO.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:42 AM
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1. the report ended with clip of Bush.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:46 AM
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2. Well, if you listen to the words of Gen Patton...
He wasn't interested in people dying for their country either.

It's a losing strategy.

Instead... He was interested in, "The other poor bastard dying
for his country."

I'm no Patton fan, but, it was "patriotic" when he said it.
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:45 PM
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25. At least Patton fought in a war that really did threaten our security. NT
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:49 AM
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3. they are on full court press
smear smear smear. But what they don't get is Cindy is not alone. What about the two moms who just got to Crawford? One had a son who was among the first killed, yet she never got ANYTHING from the President! How is Faux News going to spin that? Oh, I know. Ignore. That's why we must make sure that their stories get out in the mainstream press.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:19 AM
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17. Evelyn Allen and Patricia Roberts are the 2 moms' names
I dont care what Fox has to say about them, whats the chimp gonna do? Probably the same as you indicated: ignore
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:02 PM
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22. Thank you for their names
Evelyn Allen and Patricia Roberts. Next time a freeper says to me that Bush met with Cindy before, I'll ask why he won't meet at all with Evelyn Allen and Patricia Roberts.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:53 AM
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4. as if Bush disagrees with that
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 08:54 AM by JI7
well, at least when it comes to himself .
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:00 AM
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5. I just think this clip will certainly spell more trouble for Camp Casey.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:08 AM
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8. Trouble from simple minded fools?
This doesn't concern me in the least.

Cindy started a movement. She has momentum. No matter how hard they try, the RW will NOT slow her down or shut her up.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:19 AM
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14. You're right. As a matter of fact he thought it wasn't even
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 09:20 AM by KC21304
worth getting his eardrum broken, or some such nonsense. That is why he said he got into the TAG. Have to run now so I can't look it up.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:56 AM
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16. I believe he said he'd puncture his eardrum rather then serve, to
avoid the draft. He also said it was either Canada or the TANG, he lucked out. So I guess ** definitely thought America was worth dying for then.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:03 PM
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28. And his kids.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:04 AM
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6. It isn't worth killing for, either.
An unpopular view among the "patriots" who advocate murder to advance the interests of Walmart and Exxon.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:08 AM
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7. As Frank Rich pointed out
the Swift Boating of Cindy Sheehan is the usual Bushco attempt to change the subject. The issue isn't Cindy herself, or her "credibility," or her patriotism, or anything other than the fact that her son was sent to die in Iraq for no good reason, while the sons and daughters of the cheerleaders for that war have "other priorities." Cindy doesn't have to be Faux News' idea of the perfectly humble, perfectly polite, perfectly "patriotic" mom. She's doing great--her message is being heard by millions and millions of Americans. And to an awful lot of those people, the truth is evident--the rightwing smear machine is now attacking ordinary moms who've lost their sons in an unpopular, ill-conceived and incompetently conducted imperial adventure.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:35 AM
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20. That's how I see it.
The rw hit squads are smearing a mother who sent her son to fight and die for this country. To me that's the epitome of desparation.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:10 AM
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9. Hey, most of the Republicans think the same thing. Only their wealth is
worth dying for as long as someone else does the dying. Personally, I don't think America as it is now is worth dying for especially when it isn't necessary to die for a nation to love it. What does dying accomplish?
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:14 AM
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10. War is good business
Invest your son! But I'd rather have my country die for me. --Grace Slick
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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:16 AM
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11. Is she telling the truth?
Sounds like it.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:16 AM
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12. Jenna and Barb: "You go girl! Our sentiments exactly!"
nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:19 AM
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13. there's a problem with that?
:shrug:
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:53 AM
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15. THIS America?
The one that illegally invaded a foreign country and murdered thousands of innocents?

The one that is trying to dismantle the Bill of Rights?

The one that is trying to become a theocracy?

The one that discriminates against women, glbt's, immigrants?

The one that is hell-bent on starting a religious war?

The one that is alienating the entire world?

The one that has made a complete JOKE out of the word democracy and elections by stealing the last two Presidential elections - and who knows how many other elections?

The one that is an embarassment to TRUE Americans?

Well, then Cindy's right. THIS America is NOT worth dying for.



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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:22 AM
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18. War profitering is not worth dying for,
says General Smedley Butler.
www.warisaracket.com
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:30 AM
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19. By the very fact that the RW
is going after her, shows just how scared shitless they are.

When you have to call in your news media to slime her, you know your onto something
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:39 AM
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21. What does Cindy Sheehan and the Young Republicans have in common?
Seriously, her words match the actions of the very people who wanted this war in the first place.

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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:22 PM
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23. They even called her "a SO-CALLED Gold Star mom"
during one story this afternoon -- as if the FACT she's a Gold Star mom is questionable...
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Zero Division Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:29 PM
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24. Taken out of context?
Cindy has already stated that she never said her son "died for Israel", so this would not surprise me.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:02 PM
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27. The RW Slime Machine..
is doing what they always do: Deflect from the topic. The RW Regime is actually good at sliming. They are lousy at governing. Now that they have a complict Corp. Media they are more effective with duping the Amerikan public.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:01 PM
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26. Actually, America as it currently exists, is not worth dying for.
There was a time it was. Very sad.
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BrewerJohn Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:19 PM
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29. Here's the real story (from another thread)
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